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ukcolt 04-13-2018 09:15 AM

If we didn't draft Nelson in the first, then Wynn is the guard who i believe is the 2nd best in this draft. Hernandez and Price are a notch below Wynn but i think we really need to grab one of these 4 guys inside the first 2 rounds.

VeveJones007 04-13-2018 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 62967)
.@StampedeBlue has learned that Georgia OL Isaiah Wynn is in town to meet with the Colts.

Could definitely fill a Guard spot, I could see him as a solid plug and play at Guard in his rookie year.

2nd round, though. Can’t reach for him in the 1st.

Then you should set your sights elsewhere. Wynn will be long gone.

Coltsalr 04-13-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 62970)
Then you should set your sights elsewhere. Wynn will be long gone.

At #36?

Not necessarily....

ZiaColt 04-13-2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 62970)
Then you should set your sights elsewhere. Wynn will be long gone.

most of the mocks I've seen (including McShay and Kiper) have Wynn going in the 1st round--some of the mocks even have Hernandez now going in Round 1

in Round 2 I'd think there might be some tackles available with as much potential as any remaining guards--guys like O'Neill, Crosby and Rankin maybe

VeveJones007 04-13-2018 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 63023)
most of the mocks I've seen (including McShay and Kiper) have Wynn going in the 1st round--some of the mocks even have Hernandez now going in Round 1

in Round 2 I'd think there might be some tackles available with as much potential as any remaining guards--guys like O'Neill, Crosby and Rankin maybe

Austin Corbett is a guy to watch in rounds 2-3 as well.

Puck 04-13-2018 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 62972)
At #36?

Not necessarily....

He is 1st rd talent

Dam8610 04-14-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63047)
He is 1st rd talent

Maybe if you define that as "one of the top 32 players in the draft", but even then, I think I could find 32 players in this draft I'd prefer to have over Wynn.

Coltsalr 04-14-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63047)
He is 1st rd talent

Sure, but guys consistently fall (because teams reach for other guys) and Guard is a position where guys fall constantly as well.

Puck 04-14-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 63049)
Maybe if you define that as "one of the top 32 players in the draft", but even then, I think I could find 32 players in this draft I'd prefer to have over Wynn.

And I bet not one of those players you would pick would help protect Luck. You have a very hard time understanding that without Luck we could have the 85 Bears defense and would be picking in the top 5 again next yr. protect Luck and even if we dont upgrade the pass rush by adding the ONE player in Chubb that you keep going on and on about we could and most likely would win the division

Dam8610 04-14-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63068)
And I bet not one of those players you would pick would help protect Luck. You have a very hard time understanding that without Luck we could have the 85 Bears defense and would be picking in the top 5 again next yr. protect Luck and even if we dont upgrade the pass rush by adding the ONE player in Chubb that you keep going on and on about we could and most likely would win the division

You're right, I wouldn't pick a guard in the top 50, because starting guards can be found in the 4th-6th round. Same goes for RT. They eventually need to upgrade/replace Castanzo, but that player doesn't exist in this draft. So go build a defense, design your pass game to be quick release, and go win games with a balanced team.

Puck 04-14-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 63073)
You're right, I wouldn't pick a guard in the top 50, because starting guards can be found in the 4th-6th round. Same goes for RT. They eventually need to upgrade/replace Castanzo, but that player doesn't exist in this draft. So go build a defense, design your pass game to be quick release, and go win games with a balanced team.

You are going to be very disappointed with this draft

Dam8610 04-14-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63074)
You are going to be very disappointed with this draft

Maybe I will be, maybe you will be. Who knows?

Puck 04-14-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 63076)
Maybe I will be, maybe you will be. Who knows?

Dam. Look at who we have one the Oline and where they were drafted? Do you really think Ballard is dumb enough to follow that pattern to protect the absolute most important player on the team? The only quality players we have in the Oline were taken in 1st and second rounds. The players that were taken in later rounds are just guys. And because they are just guys we have to continue to try to upgrade the position year after yr.

I don’t expect them to take Nelson in round one. But I don’t expect it to be Chubb either.

Ballard will take BPA. If he likes a player he will do what he can to move draft picks around whether trading back or up to get the player where he should be valued.

Yes the D needs upgraded. But you Have tunnel vision and would be a horrible GM and terrible at building a team

YDFL Commish 04-14-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63083)
Dam. Look at who we have one the Oline and where they were drafted? Do you really think Ballard is dumb enough to follow that pattern to protect the absolute most important player on the team? The only quality players we have in the Oline were taken in 1st and second rounds. The players that were taken in later rounds are just guys. And because they are just guys we have to continue to try to upgrade the position year after yr.

I don’t expect them to take Nelson in round one. But I don’t expect it to be Chubb either.

Ballard will take BPA. If he likes a player he will do what he can to move draft picks around whether trading back or up to get the player where he should be valued.

Yes the D needs upgraded. But you Have tunnel vision and would be a horrible GM and terrible at building a team

Ballard didn't address the O-Line last year, even though it was a glaring weakness. What makes you think that he will do it this year?

Dam8610 04-14-2018 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63083)
Dam. Look at who we have one the Oline and where they were drafted? Do you really think Ballard is dumb enough to follow that pattern to protect the absolute most important player on the team? The only quality players we have in the Oline were taken in 1st and second rounds. The players that were taken in later rounds are just guys. And because they are just guys we have to continue to try to upgrade the position year after yr.

I don’t expect them to take Nelson in round one. But I don’t expect it to be Chubb either.

Ballard will take BPA. If he likes a player he will do what he can to move draft picks around whether trading back or up to get the player where he should be valued.

Yes the D needs upgraded. But you Have tunnel vision and would be a horrible GM and terrible at building a team

You have to have a good defense to win football games consistently. The Colts have a terrible defense. They also have 4 top 50 picks in the upcoming draft. Using those picks on defensive upgrades will hopefully turn terrible into at least average. Meanwhile, you accuse me of having tunnel vision while wanting to invest more first and second round picks into an OL (five positions) that already has 2 former first round selections and 1 former second round selection rather than a defense (eleven positions) that has 1 former first round selection and 2 former second round selections. That's tunnel vision.

Puck 04-14-2018 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 63086)
Ballard didn't address the O-Line last year, even though it was a glaring weakness. What makes you think that he will do it this year?

Because if he doesnt protect Luck he won’t be the Colts GM very long See Ryan Grigson

Puck 04-14-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 63087)
You have to have a good defense to win football games consistently. The Colts have a terrible defense. They also have 4 top 50 picks in the upcoming draft. Using those picks on defensive upgrades will hopefully turn terrible into at least average. Meanwhile, you accuse me of having tunnel vision while wanting to invest more first and second round picks into an OL (five positions) that already has 2 former first round selections and 1 former second round selection rather than a defense (eleven positions) that has 1 former first round selection and 2 former second round selections. That's tunnel vision.

He spent almost every pick last yr on D and also FA There are plenty of pieces on the defense but you vision of that is clouded because the played for Pagfuck and you couldn’t see what should’ve been. Only the mess that Pagshit tried

I believe Ballard drafted last yr for this season with a capable HC

He will protect Luck

Dam8610 04-14-2018 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63090)
He spent almost every pick last yr on D and also FA There are plenty of pieces on the defense but you vision of that is clouded because the played for Pagfuck and you couldn’t see what should’ve been. Only the mess that Pagshit tried

I believe Ballard drafted last yr for this season with a capable HC

He will protect Luck

It takes more than one draft to build a defense. They have a Top 10 pick and 4 Top 50 picks. If the top 10 pick and at least 3 of the top 50 picks aren't spent on defense, I'll be surprised. If more than one of the top 50 picks is invested in OL, I'll begin to lose confidence in Ballard as a talent evaluator. What little he's done in free agency this far suggests to me that defense will be his focus in the draft, and not OL, at least not early. That said, I'd be fine if he spent 3 Day 3 picks on OL.

Coltsalr 04-15-2018 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 63089)
Because if he doesnt protect Luck he won’t be the Colts GM very long See Ryan Grigson

Grigson lasted 5 years.

I’m pretty sure that’s above average for NFL GM tenure.

Oldcolt 04-15-2018 09:23 AM

That first round pick needs to be a difference maker. Someone other teams scheme around. Defense/offense I could care less. Any position but a qb. Stud offensive lineman, running back, defensive lineman, linebacker or db. Just as long as he dominates.

Racehorse 04-15-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 63094)
Grigson lasted 5 years.

I’m pretty sure that’s above average for NFL GM tenure.

Are you sure?

Chromeburn 04-15-2018 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 63112)
Are you sure?

Depends if he is including the Browns which skew the data a bit.


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