Trade 1st and second rd picks this yr for next yrs draft picks... roll with JB and offer it all for the 1st pick to get Lawrence

Hmmm.....so maybe the Colts should trade for Rosen and start him next year......with the hope of landing the #1 pick in the 2021 draft?!?!? :cool:

Trade anything Bengals want for Burrow?

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I would love to have Burrow, but I seriously doubt the sorry ass Bengals would give up the rights to him, no matter what they are offered. I feel kinda sorry for Burrow because the Bengals are so damn dysfunctional. I think Burrow with Reich would be incredible for him and the Colts.

Burrow was dropping dimes last night. He looked like a bigger more athletic Brees out there.

He doesn't have a rocket launcher for an arm, but with anticipation and accuracy he doesn't have to.

If his success was NOT mostly tied to Joe Brady, then he is an elite QB prospect. In other words, what would he look like in a shitty system?

His talent will be wasted in Bungle land.

Or he'll be their new Carson Palmer, hopefully without the injury issues.

Curious.

Would you trade this yrs 1st rounder Rock and Banagu for next yrs 1st rounder with a team To be able to move up to get Trevor Lawerence ?

If I thought he was true Franchise QB absolutely.

Those guys are much easier to replace than finding another Lawrence--and I'm not all that excited about Lawrence.

Neither am I. Lawrence will not be a true franchise QB.

Until Monday he was an undefeated Sophomore. There may be someone to challenge him as the #1 pick next yr. but with the info we know right now he’s the best there is

Although I think the kid transferring to GA from Wake Forest will give him a run for his money


And he has great hair

The point of this is simple. Are we a QB away? If so pull a Ditka. If not build the D and roll with JB.

I vote the latter. I think JB will get better. And if we have a pass rush from the 3 tech and a CB along with another WR We’re gonna be competitive.

Otherwise. DONT be competitive and get the QB next yr. Lawrence is gonna be special. Make no bones about it. Maybe not cigar smoking special after the NC game. But the kid is good

How much you willing to give up for that pick knowing we’re gonna su k for another yr


Ballard can fill the roster with talent from FA

How important are the draft picks to YOU?

Win now or build for the future?

I don't disagree with rolling with JB, but at least add some legitimate competition...who you don't have to sell the draft for.

I don't like a "leader" who has never lost, never had much adversity. Especially when his first season in the NFL he'll probably have to deal with losing more than once. After never losing, now the entire world is bugging him, asking how it feels and just being anything other than the cheerleaders who have surrounded him since little league.

I would take Lawrence in a heartbeat, whatever it takes. Not looking forward to years without a franchise QB. Lawrence is a generational talent, he just needs to cut his fucking hair.

Yes except we have no idea who will get the #1 pick so you don't know who to trade with. Beyond that, what you listed likely wouldn't be enough

Yes, he will. He's got a shitload of talent. I wouldn't let the LSU game fool you into thinking he is not a franchise QB.

Just to be clear, I gave thanks because of the comment about the stupid hair. I think he will be good, but I wouldn’t trade just anything to get him.

Lots of good discussion on this.

My point about Rock and Banagu was that those were are 1st 2 picks last yr. So if we trade our 1st this yr for a pick next yr it would give us 2 first round picks. I dont remember the specific of us trading out of the 1st last yr but our 1st rounder last yr was basically less than Rock and Banagu.

If that makes sense.

I am guessing that with JB as the starter we would be about where we are right now . 7-9 or 8-8 ish

The top drafting teams this yr will most likely make a move for a QB this yr. Leaving us in a position to use our draft capital to move up.

Never a guarantee but you never know.

The Colts traded 2019 pick 1.26 to Washington for 2019 pick 2.46 and WSH's 2020 2nd round pick which turned into 2020 pick 2.34.


When working with the draft value charts, most teams discount draft picks in the future either by a percentage or by a round since no one knows what the order of the draft picks will be the following year.

I don't suppose anyone is still concerned about Castonzo retiring? I want him to stay. But if he does retire, doesn't a left tackle move to the top of the list?

If there is a better LT available than QB, then yes. That said, drafting for need can lead to reaching, which is not good.

I suggested we address this issue in the last draft and you gave me a bunch of shit about it.

If Brissett starts next season, I am not following the Colts next year...and I have followed them since 1958...and there may be others.

I said this 20 posts ago.... draft a tackle and get a fa tackle. The price is too high for a first round qb. Even if we could trade the farm for burrow (which we cant) we would watch him get sacked 55 times as a rookie. All of us know the chorus to that song.

We need a qb a bit better than brissett, fromm is the guy in the 3rd.

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Do you think Fromm can be a true franchise guy or just better than JB?

Well, I guess second guessing after a year and the announcement of a possible retirement has made you Kreskin.

But here we are. I just thought Castonzo's decision should be part of the equation since HE suggested he might be coming back. That wasn't the issue last year.

Sure. You're probably asleep by halftime anyways, gramps.

Wasnt that hard to see last yr. and with Luck covering up all the holes we now see It made sense last yr to build for the future by using a top pick on that position

This yr it makes less sense we need a QB

What do you mean not following? Not attending the games? Not caring if they win or lose? Not watching the games on TV? Just what kind of fan are you?

Do you magically know who will be a franchise guy? There is no automatic pick that is 100% guarantee. Every year there are QBs picked in the Top 10 that dont become Franchise guys...... on the flipside there are a lot of QBs not even picked in the first round..... that no fucking body thought they were franchise guys who went on to win Superbowls.

Ballard will have to hit on somebody obviously and I'm sure he knows Brissett isnt gonna get the job done.

Maybe, a franchise guy, but probably not. Same can be said for anyone else in the draft except the guys that are way too expensive.

I think we should stay conservative, keep building the team and let fromm and brissett compete for the starting job.

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Half of the Superbowls have been won by a QB Not drafted in the first round. So drafting a guy in the first round guarantees nothing.

It guarantees nothing. But since there are 7 rounds and fully half of the Super Bowl quarterbacks come from the first round your odds are a hell of a lot better with a first round quarterback. And one guy from NE screws up the odds big time.

But then you have 1st round QBs Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer and Jim Macmahon that won Superbowls only because they all played on the teams with the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL. That's 6 SBs that wash the 6 of Brady.

So we are back to square one... look I get it a QB in round one can help chances but not guarantee.

Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Joe Montana.... yep none of these SB winners picked in the first round.

Again.. hoping that Ballard can find us the right guy regardless of what round.... maybe he is bagging groceries somewhere. :cool:

I'm playing Devil's advocate more than anything. If we all agreed on everything it wouldn't be any fun.

Love to see Joe Burrow on this team.

Fromm doesn’t throw downfield either. I don’t know if he will be much better. Until QB is fixed, everything else has to take a backseat. Otherwise we are the Bungles or Browns. Have some decent talent. It will eventually leave bc guys want to play for teams that win.

Going to assume you are too young to have seen Bradshaw play. Ot sure why you would lump him into that argument. He was a good QB. Swann and Stallworth didn’t throw the ball to themselves. Yes their D was good but he was also SB MVP at least once. Won 4 Super Bowls in 6 yrs He gets a bad wrap

This is kind of misleading, especially with Brady skewing the numbers. But winning the SB is more than a QB, yet it is hard to win a SB without a decent QB. The odds of finding a franchise QB are best in the top 15 picks. Then in the first round. After that the odds start dropping dramatically. Everyone wants to remember Dak Prescott, no one wants to remember Cardale Jones. For everyone one of those hits there are 12 misses. Every round has misses, just the top half of the first has the least.

But other things should be considered. Do they have a good team around them? Did they get thrown to the fire or did they sit and learn first? Was it a good QB draft? A lot of factors figure into a QB’s success, not just his skill level and draft position. Teams may get a good QB but never win a SB, because you have to then put a team around that QB. Not every front office is good at that. Yet a good QB can cover up a lot of holes in a team and take you into the playoffs. You can win with decent QB play, but you have to be very strong in several other areas. We don’t even have average QB play, I think Brisset finished 26th, he is easy to scheme against and isn’t good enough to carry the passing game.

Just go back to ‘98 and see how many misses there are after the first.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position