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JAFF 08-26-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 127965)
Credit Luck for that right? Tens of millions of dollars, a new kid on the way and a desire to travel the world. Should he go in IR or go do what he wants.

Jacoby Brisset is the QB of the Indianapolis Colts.

What Luck does with his time is none of my concern, save that I wish him well and wish him happiness.

If he goes on IR, they are going to want him to do rehab, and he's had enough of that. Good for him. If they keep him around, they are hoping he will get the competitive juices flowing, and get the urge to play.

If he goes off and just lives his life, he might want to come back. The best rehab is being away and not getting the shit knocked out of you on a weekly basis. The best way to find out if you miss it is to be AWAY from it. He's a smart kid.

apballin 08-26-2019 08:29 PM

We can still win with jacoby, it sucks but fuck it I was getting sick of the bullshit time to move on I’d rather have someone that wants to be out there

Chromeburn 08-26-2019 10:47 PM

Even if he changes his mind in a few months, is feeling better. He can't come back this season. He would have to clear waivers.

If he wants to come back it would have to be next year. I'm kind of 50/50 on whether he will do it. I think he will regret how all this played out. I think he will also miss the competition and his teammates. Players have repeatedly said they miss it after they leave. But I really do think a lot of this was in his head. I think things just got to him and he broke down. The whole event was surreal and blew up. I'm afraid he is going to be reduced to a meme and associated with quitting.

Hoopsdoc 08-27-2019 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 127971)
This was in Peter King's article. Irsay, Ballard, and Reich spoke with Luck over the course of a few days, bringing up options like "go on IR, take your time to get healthy, and we'll see from there."

But Luck was done mentally. It's why I don't think a future return is realistic. Luck knows the toll that football will take on his body and mind. He recently missed an entire season. If that wasn't enough to spark his desire to just get back on the field at all costs, then retirement probably won't either.

I agree. That really sealed it for me. I think the dude has hated football since at least the lost season and has basically just been going through the motions.

I don’t mean to say that he was half assing anything, just that he hated what he was doing the entire time he was doing it. He finally had enough.

I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if he ever decided to return.

DrSpaceman 08-27-2019 07:40 AM

He won't return. He has other interests beyond football

Oddly if he had gone to IR this season, my reaction would have been that he might as well just retire

I know he went through a lot and the Colts did nothing under Grigson to protect him, but once he injured his shoulder and had to do major rehab, I agree he was no longer into it.

Racehorse 08-27-2019 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 128065)
I agree. That really sealed it for me. I think the dude has hated football since at least the lost season and has basically just been going through the motions.

I don’t mean to say that he was half assing anything, just that he hated what he was doing the entire time he was doing it. He finally had enough.

I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if he ever decided to return.

If he hated it last year, why did he wait until now to retire? That is the part that I just don't get.

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 128082)
If he hated it last year, why did he wait until now to retire? That is the part that I just don't get.

That is why I think its in his head. Reich said this injury was nothing compared to the shoulder. But they needed to know if he was going to suit up and what his decision is. This happens when someone is thinking of doing something drastic. I think in a couple months, maybe 3, maybe 6, he is going to regret how it all went down.

DrSpaceman 08-27-2019 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 128082)
If he hated it last year, why did he wait until now to retire? That is the part that I just don't get.

Yes I don't get that either, but I am under the impression, because we went through this same preseason "when will he play" scenario last year, which in retrospect probably was again nothing physical but more mental, he considered it and somehow changed his mind

It would have made much more sense last year and I would not have as much of a problem with it, oddly. you come back though and look great and literally are on the verge in the next few years of a SB title, then you decide to retire.

Makes no sense to me. truly great players don't retire when they have a chance to win a title. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, Marino, even in other sports, Bird, Kobe, Lebron, you name it, you have a season coming up like this, you COULD be physically healthy and they CAN play and will likely be contenders, they aren't walking away.

The only way who did that was Jordan, twice. And both time he came back after doing it. ANd he had already won 3 and 6 titles at those times.

ChoppedWood 08-27-2019 09:43 AM

Reich's presser yesterday was very interesting, he talked about how they've used the term paradox to sort of put this all in the proper context, and I can appreciate that to a large degree. You can certainly love something but also feel burdened by it, no question.


However, what I can't appreciate are the tale tell signs that dispute some of the things Luck said at the podium and some of the things done leading up to that- including the ludicrous warm ups thing the week prior- whoever orchestrated that, and that's absolutely what that was, should be ashamed of themselves- and that may very well be him!

I don't see him ever wanting to return to the NFL- he will be jeered til the end of the earth. The XFL... now that could be real interesting to keep an eye on over the next few years...

Pez 08-27-2019 10:51 AM

I don't want him back after this, for many of the same reasons I didn't want Leveon Bell in free agency. I have tons of respect for Luck, but if he is going to pull shit like this he at least owes it to us to stick to his decision. Go enjoy life, have fun, raise your kids, do great things.

Grigson chose not to recognize that he was the future of the franchise and chose not to fix the line. Combine that with Pep Hamilton requiring him to stay in the pocket for six seconds on 3rd and 2, add Chuck Pagano and you have a nor'easter that ended Lucks career.

Racehorse 08-27-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 128102)
I don't want him back after this, for many of the same reasons I didn't want Leveon Bell in free agency. I have tons of respect for Luck, but if he is going to pull shit like this he at least owes it to us to stick to his decision. Go enjoy life, have fun, raise your kids, do great things.

Grigson chose not to recognize that he was the future of the franchise and chose not to fix the line. Combine that with Pep Hamilton requiring him to stay in the pocket for six seconds on 3rd and 2, add Chuck Pagano and you have a nor'easter that ended Lucks career.

I want him playing the game he loves again. I don't want it to be against my team, so I will have to say that if he were to play again, I want it to be in Indianapolis.

VeveJones007 08-27-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 128105)
I want him playing the game he loves again. I don't want it to be against my team, so I will have to say that if he were to play again, I want it to be in Indianapolis.

I don't think it's very likely. If the fun of last season wasn't enough to push him through another cycle of injury & rehab, then stepping away won't fix it. It would be like two people getting divorced and then re-marrying. Not impossible, but a long shot.

Racehorse 08-27-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 128107)
I don't think it's very likely. If the fun of last season wasn't enough to push him through another cycle of injury & rehab, then stepping away won't fix it. It would be like two people getting divorced and then re-marrying. Not impossible, but a long shot.

I also think it is a long shot, but I don't like it when they leave too early and later have a case of the "what ifs".

Hoopsdoc 08-27-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 128082)
If he hated it last year, why did he wait until now to retire? That is the part that I just don't get.

I’m going out on a limb and saying walking away from hundreds of millions of dollars isn’t easy.

Hoopsdoc 08-27-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 128114)
I also think it is a long shot, but I don't like it when they leave too early and later have a case of the "what ifs".

If he does get the what ifs, they’ll be especially bad, considering the way everything was set up this year.

Talk about a golden opportunity gone up in smoke.

rcubed 08-27-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 128119)
I’m going out on a limb and saying walking away from hundreds of millions of dollars isn’t easy.

but also easier when you have already made $100M

Puck 08-27-2019 01:26 PM

If Brissett gets hurt or struggles they will be calling Luck

Oldcolt 08-27-2019 01:37 PM

This kid is never coming back, ever. He enjoys to many other things in life, could have gone on IR but wanted no part of it. He has moved on. So should we.

Brylok 08-27-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 128151)
If Brissett gets hurt or struggles they will be calling Luck

Calling him what? A quitter? He quit on the team 2 weeks before the season starts.

Hoopsdoc 08-27-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 128151)
If Brissett gets hurt or struggles they will be calling Luck

First of all, they’re not calling him.

Second, even if they would, he ain’t answering. Certainly not this season.

That dude is G-O-N-E.

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 128151)
If Brissett gets hurt or struggles they will be calling Luck

They can't though. He would have to go through waivers to be on the team again. And we would have to be first on the waiver wire for him to clear it.

DrSpaceman 08-27-2019 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 128151)
If Brissett gets hurt or struggles they will be calling Luck

If Brissett struggles you give Chad Kelly a chance.

rm1369 08-27-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 128167)
They can't though. He would have to go through waivers to be on the team again. And we would have to be first on the waiver wire for him to clear it.

Why would Luck have to clear waivers? He wasn’t waived. He retired. Am I missing something?

JAFF 08-27-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 127391)
Cool, guys. Seen enough bullshit. Not that it matters / this needs a response, but I'm done here.

There is some irony right there

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 128197)
Why would Luck have to clear waivers? He wasn’t waived. He retired. Am I missing something?

It's what I heard yesterday on sports radio. That he was added to the retired list. If he was to come back, he would have to go through the waiver wire and could be claimed by anyone below us in claim order.

I thought he would still be under contract, I don't know how that would work with his contract. But I guess the 24 was a settlement deal so maybe the Colts don't have a claim on him. Might work differently in the off season.

rm1369 08-27-2019 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 128221)
It's what I heard yesterday on sports radio. That he was added to the retired list. If he was to come back, he would have to go through the waiver wire and could be claimed by anyone below us in claim order.

I thought he would still be under contract, I don't know how that would work with his contract. But I guess the 24 was a settlement deal so maybe the Colts don't have a claim on him. Might work differently in the off season.

I'm not 100% certain, but I'd be very surprised if that is accurate. Hard to find accurate information though. As I understand it the 24m was just the Colts saying they wouldn't ask him to pay back the money he has already received. It wouldn't affect his contract status. They'd be stupid to pay Luck 24m and give up their rights to him should he decide to play again.

rm1369 08-27-2019 07:04 PM

Actually it sounds like it may be right - if he returns before the trade deadline. Apparently its different because he reported to training camp and then retired. If Luck unretires anytime after the trade deadline this year he won't be subject to waivers. He would be under contract with the Colts.

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 128232)
I'm not 100% certain, but I'd be very surprised if that is accurate. Hard to find accurate information though. As I understand it the 24m was just the Colts saying they wouldn't ask him to pay back the money he has already received. It wouldn't affect his contract status. They'd be stupid to pay Luck 24m and give up their rights to him should he decide to play again.

I tried to look it up but couldn't find anything except people that agreed with that. I bet they heard the same thing.

What's worse. Whitlock today said Luck will be back in two years and he will play for the Cowboys.

Then a patriots fan came in and said the patriots after Brady retires.

omahacolt 08-27-2019 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 128173)
If Brissett struggles you give Chad Kelly a chance.

Walkers got this

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 128252)
Walkers got this

GTFO of here hahaha

YDFL Commish 08-27-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 128252)
Walkers got this

You know you're making an ass of yourself with that statement?

rm1369 08-27-2019 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 128246)
I tried to look it up but couldn't find anything except people that agreed with that. I bet they heard the same thing.

What's worse. Whitlock today said Luck will be back in two years and he will play for the Cowboys.

Then a patriots fan came in and said the patriots after Brady retires.

Yeah not a lot of good info. I did find an blurb about it on PFT:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoot...ired-list/amp/

I’m fairly certain that if Luck ever came back he’d be under contract with the Colts and not a FA. Of course it appears I was wrong about the waivers so who knows. It still seems weird, because couldn’t someone like Bell have used this to force his way out of Pittsburgh? Show up to camp, retire, wait a few weeks, unretire, then hit waivers? Something doesn’t seem right.

omahacolt 08-27-2019 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 128256)
You know you're making an ass of yourself with that statement?

Was obviously a joke

Chromeburn 08-27-2019 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 128262)
Yeah not a lot of good info. I did find an blurb about it on PFT:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profoot...ired-list/amp/

I’m fairly certain that if Luck ever came back he’d be under contract with the Colts and not a FA. Of course it appears I was wrong about the waivers so who knows. It still seems weird, because couldn’t someone like Bell have used this to force his way out of Pittsburgh? Show up to camp, retire, wait a few weeks, unretire, then hit waivers? Something doesn’t seem right.

It’s weird and seems like a loophole. I listened to something after I posted and they said they still have Luck’s rights for three years. Bc same thing came up with Mcafree when he tried out with the Bears this month. But we still have his rights. So not really sure.

JAFF 08-28-2019 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 128256)
You know you're making an ass of yourself with that statement?

He is consistant.

Racehorse 08-28-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 128149)
but also easier when you have already made $100M

I have never met a man who thought he had made enough money.

Oldcolt 08-28-2019 01:32 PM

Interesting article on how many of the Colt players found out about Luck's retirement. I know everyone loves Andy as a person but I'll go out on a limb and say that this was all about him, not about the team in any way. If it was, he wouldn't have taken the chance that it comes out the way it did. This has to be tough on the locker room, to learn like this. He told his friends, like any of us would but not the team in general. Cared about his friends (he knew it mattered and would be hard on the team, otherwise why give a heads up to guys you like) but not quite as much as the team in general. Don't tell me he wanted it to be quiet so he only told a few, if you want that you don't tell anyone until you are ready to tell everyone. I have no argument with his decision. Just the timing (15 days before opening day) and the way it was allowed to roll out. It is a good decision for him and his family. If I were his dad I would be happy my son has decreased his chance of CTE. In his emotional state I also think it was to much to ask for him to process all of this at the time. The organization, in my opinion, should have advised him and managed this better. Just an all around bummer

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...rs/2133442001/

IndyNorm 09-01-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 128102)
Grigson chose not to recognize that he was the future of the franchise and chose not to fix the line. Combine that with Pep Hamilton requiring him to stay in the pocket for six seconds on 3rd and 2, add Chuck Pagano and you have a nor'easter that ended Lucks career.

Based on the number of draft picks used and FAs signed for the OL, I think Grigson did try to fix it, but he was too incompetent to get the job done. Agree with you on the '70s style offensive scheme Clappy and clowns wanted to run had a lot to do w/ Luck getting beat up.

Chromeburn 09-01-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 129065)
Based on the number of draft picks used and FAs signed for the OL, I think Grigson did try to fix it, but he was too incompetent to get the job done. Agree with you on the '70s style offensive scheme Clappy and clowns wanted to run had a lot to do w/ Luck getting beat up.

It was a perfect storm. Dakich must be friends with Grigson because he was trying to put more blame on the coaching staff. But his bad drafting and bad management contributed quite a bit.

Chromeburn 09-01-2019 12:08 PM

Oh and Luck took a full page ad out in today’s indystar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDX8QSDX...jpg&name=large


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