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jasperhobbs 01-31-2021 09:22 PM

What I find interesting is Ballard and Reich talk about getting a young QB that can be the starter the next 10+ years. They never mention Jacob Eason as even being in the picture.

apballin 01-31-2021 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185806)
So Omaha is Dan Dakich?



You would've taken Brian Price over Ndamukong Suh, and that statement is similarly bad.

Anyway, back to the OP topic, I think Matt Ryan is the next domino and I think he's the best veteran option at this point. How much will he cost?

Walker has potential bridgewaters best days are behind him he’s an average game manager

Yea and fuck Matt Ryan, I’m over the old vets at the end of their career fuck that shit

Dam8610 01-31-2021 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 185808)
What I find interesting is Ballard and Reich talk about getting a young QB that can be the starter the next 10+ years. They never mention Jacob Eason as even being in the picture.

And Irsay keeps talking about a vet and winning now. I know many have mentioned Darnold, but that doesn't seem to go with Irsay's rhetoric at all. Yes, he's a veteran, and yes, at 23 he could have a long NFL career ahead of him, but I doubt anyone would argue he's the type of QB Irsay talked about in his year end presser. I will say this, if they do go with Darnold, I'll be excited for it, because that means both Ballard and Reich believe enough in him to risk their careers on him.

apballin 01-31-2021 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185810)
And Irsay keeps talking about a vet and winning now. I know many have mentioned Darnold, but that doesn't seem to go with Irsay's rhetoric at all. Yes, he's a veteran, and yes, at 23 he could have a long NFL career ahead of him, but I doubt anyone would argue he's the type of QB Irsay talked about in his year end presser. I will say this, if they do go with Darnold, I'll be excited for it, because that means both Ballard and Reich believe enough in him to risk their careers on him.

What’s your take on Trey Lance?

smitty46953 02-01-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 185784)
Just a thought, Matt Rhule just coached in the senior bowl. Panthers have the 8th pick and could go with a QB perhaps making Teddy Bridgewater available? Any thoughts on him? :cool:

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports the Panthers offered the Lions the No. 8 overall pick plus a "later" selection for Matthew Stafford.
Per Breer, the Washington Football Team also offered the No. 19 pick plus a third-rounder. NBC's Peter King reports at least one other team offered a first-rounder. :cool:

albany ed 02-01-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 185808)
What I find interesting is Ballard and Reich talk about getting a young QB that can be the starter the next 10+ years. They never mention Jacob Eason as even being in the picture.

I guess I missed where they said this. Can you give me a link to that?

Chromeburn 02-01-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 185821)
Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports the Panthers offered the Lions the No. 8 overall pick plus a "later" selection for Matthew Stafford.
Per Breer, the Washington Football Team also offered the No. 19 pick plus a third-rounder. NBC's Peter King reports at least one other team offered a first-rounder. :cool:

McVay is super popular around the league also. They were a few plays away from beating the pats with Goff. Stafford seemed to want to go their first also. You just have more marketing opportunities in LA. Plus, the Rams offer was just flat out better than everyone else’s.

Oldcolt 02-01-2021 03:51 PM

Breer also said that the Colts never offered their #1 for Stafford. Ballard must not have thought he was the answer long term. He won't overpay. He has made it clear what a mistake that is. I don't think he would be afraid to continue to build this team as a team and have different quarterbacks every few years until he finds one he really likes and can get. You don't need a great quarterback to win the Super Bowl and having one doesn't guarantee shit (as a Colt fan I felt we had a better, in most instances much better, quarterback than the teams that beat us in the playoffs for the past couple of decades). It is an interesting time to be a Colt fan.

Chaka 02-01-2021 05:08 PM

Breer says one thing, King says another. I question whether either of these guys (or the various other media members who have commented) knows what really went down, at least with respect to the Colts.

rcubed 02-01-2021 05:19 PM

Colts sign a QB!!!


Jalen Morton...?


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Dam8610 02-01-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185812)
What’s your take on Trey Lance?

Has a strong arm and good athleticism. Usually has good ball placement on throws. Doesn't go through many progressions or do a whole lot of reading of defenses, so definitely not someone I would make a Day 1 starter. Could become elite with the right development team. May need his team to tailor his offense to his skillset like Lamar Jackson.

Colts And Orioles 02-01-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 185867)



Colts sign a QB !!!


Jalen Morton ....... ???




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He was a 5th-year senior for Division I-AA Prairie View A&M in 2019.

I did some deducing from 2 separate websites to get his stats for that senior season. I took his career stats from one site, and subtracted his previous seasons playing QB (2016 and 2018) from another ...... he apparently only played running back in 2017, in which he had 8 carries for 65 yards.




https://sports.yahoo.com/colts-sign-...203827267.html


https://pvpanthers.com/sports/footba...en-morton/4067




(CAREER)


372 for 695 (54%) for 5,237 Yards Passing. ll. 14.1 Yards-Per-Completion. ll. 7.4 Yards-Per-Attempt. ll. 42 TD Passes, 29 INT's.

1,579 Yards Rushing on 260 Carries. lll 6.1 Yards-Per-Attempt. lll 22 Rushing Touchdowns.



2019 Season (5th Year Senior)


149 for 248 (60%) for 2,133 Yards Passing. llll 14.3 Yards-Per-Completion. llll 8.6 Yards-Per-Attempt. llll 17 TD Passes, 10 INT's.

450 Yards Rushing on 74 Carries. llllllllll 6.1 Yards-Per-Attempt. lllll 9. Rushing Touchdowns.

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jasperhobbs 02-01-2021 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 185867)
Colts sign a QB!!!


Jalen Morton...?


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Jalen Morton will be the starting quarterback for the Colts this season and the start of a hall of fame career and 4 super bowl wins. You heard it here first.

jasperhobbs 02-01-2021 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 185808)
What I find interesting is Ballard and Reich talk about getting a young QB that can be the starter the next 10+ years. They never mention Jacob Eason as even being in the picture.

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 185827)
I guess I missed where they said this. Can you give me a link to that?

Below is from stampede blue.

“That being said, we’ll just have to see where opportunity pushes us because we really would love to be able to get a great young quarterback and obviously, there’s some out there that have been talked about that’s coming out in this draft,” said team owner Jim Irsay last week in his end-of-season press conference.

“. . . Again, if we could find a young guy, that’s always going to be our focus in the draft, get the guy you can build around for the next 15 years so to speak, that’s ideal. But if not, there’s a lot of ways to get it done.”

JAFF 02-01-2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185875)
Has a strong arm and good athleticism. Usually has good ball placement on throws. Doesn't go through many progressions or do a whole lot of reading of defenses, so definitely not someone I would make a Day 1 starter. Could become elite with the right development team. May need his team to tailor his offense to his skillset like Lamar Jackson.

And that team will wind up with a guy who runs after his first option isnt open. Its the same offense that Wentz used when he was a ND. Same results as with Philly. Same results as Baltimore, a one dimensional offense with a Qb who has never had to face tough pass coverage in college because he could beat teams with his legs.

It’s only my thoughts, I watched my fair share of football. And it makes no sense to take a young kid from a division 2 school, and try to turn him into an NFL quarterback and one off-season.

They can’t find a player in the college ranks who has the skills and head for the NFL game, they might as well just go into the season with Eason and fill in the blank vet who can execute a game plan.

apballin 02-01-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185875)
Has a strong arm and good athleticism. Usually has good ball placement on throws. Doesn't go through many progressions or do a whole lot of reading of defenses, so definitely not someone I would make a Day 1 starter. Could become elite with the right development team. May need his team to tailor his offense to his skillset like Lamar Jackson.

I’d say Reich is capable of doing that, would you consider him a possible qb for the next 10 years?

Oldcolt 02-01-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 185877)
Jalen Morton will be the starting quarterback for the Colts this season and the start of a hall of fame career and 4 super bowl wins. You heard it here first.

He has a canon for an arm (can throw the ball 100 yards) and is smart (mechanical engineer). We got lucky as an organization with Johnny U why not again?

Dam8610 02-01-2021 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185896)
I’d say Reich is capable of doing that, would you consider him a possible qb for the next 10 years?

If someone can give him the ability to read defenses and stay in the pocket beyond read #2 in the progression, maybe. The reason I'm hesitant on Lance is the same reason I want Mac Jones in a Colts jersey: it's all about the processor. Trey Lance will likely need 3 years, at least one of it on the job training, to properly process progressions and read an NFL defense. Mac Jones is probably ready to do that right now.

Workhorse 02-01-2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 185876)
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He was a 5th-year senior for Division I-AA Prairie View A&M in 2019.

I did some deducing from 2 separate websites to get his stats for that senior season. I took his career stats from one site, and subtracted his previous seasons playing QB (2016 and 2018) from another ...... he apparently only played running back in 2017, in which he had 8 carries for 65 yards.




https://sports.yahoo.com/colts-sign-...203827267.html


https://pvpanthers.com/sports/footba...en-morton/4067




(CAREER)


372 for 695 (54%) for 5,237 Yards Passing. ll. 14.1 Yards-Per-Completion. ll. 7.4 Yards-Per-Attempt. ll. 42 TD Passes, 29 INT's.

1,579 Yards Rushing on 260 Carries. lll 6.1 Yards-Per-Attempt. lll 22 Rushing Touchdowns.



2019 Season (5th Year Senior)


149 for 248 (60%) for 2,133 Yards Passing. llll 14.3 Yards-Per-Completion. llll 8.6 Yards-Per-Attempt. llll 17 TD Passes, 29 INT's.

450 Yards Rushing on 74 Carries. llllllllll 6.1 Yards-Per-Attempt. lllll 9. Rushing Touchdowns.

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He threw all 29 of his picks in his final season?

Colts And Orioles 02-01-2021 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Workhorse (Post 185903)



He threw all 29 of his picks in his final season?




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He threw 10 INT's in his final season.

He threw 29 INT's for the 3 seasons combined in 2016, 2018, and 2019.

I neglected to change that specific number when transcribing it.

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apballin 02-01-2021 11:24 PM

We’re really sitting here analyzing a QB that ain’t gonna make the team??? (This Morton dude)

Goddam we can’t get a qb soon enough

CanuckColt 02-01-2021 11:28 PM

I kinda like Kyle Trask. QB Mobility is over rated these days.
Peyton was not mobile but he did OK.
Brady was not mobile but he did OK.

Dewey 5 02-02-2021 12:10 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pat-mca...212141587.html

Where are we going forward,’ I asked. And [Ballard] said ‘we were very competitive’—his exact words. ‘We were very competitive with Stafford and the Rams threw a bomb,” McAfee said on his show of the conversation he had with Ballard. “‘Good for them’ he said basically. We couldn’t do that.”

Chromeburn 02-02-2021 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckColt (Post 185907)
I kinda like Kyle Trask. QB Mobility is over rated these days.
Peyton was not mobile but he did OK.
Brady was not mobile but he did OK.

True, but the league is changing some. How many young QBs do you see that fit that mold?

JAFF 02-02-2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckColt (Post 185907)
I kinda like Kyle Trask. QB Mobility is over rated these days.
Peyton was not mobile but he did OK.
Brady was not mobile but he did OK.

But they were not statues, either. I hate saying anything positive about Tom Brady. But he’s not a statue. He slides a little to the right he slides a little to the left you don’t get a really good clean hit on him.

Peyton was very much the same way. He wasn’t gonna run for a first down but he wouldn’t try that either. He would move side to side he would step up, and sometimes he would take a hit to deliver to Ball.

Kansas City quarterback Mahomes, he doesn’t run a lot down the field unless he has a great big opening and then he gets his ass out of bounds. He slides he move side to side really well looking for receivers.

Mahomes has learned that it’s better to evade rushers and get rid of the ball than and try to run up field and get his head knocked off.

Baltimore’s quarterback who’s name escapes me right now, once he takes off he’s a runner in the defense gonna line him up and blow him up. Also once he heads up field the d backs now become tacklers, they don’t have to play pass defense, they can just attack.

It’s to the advantage of the offense for a kid like Mahomes to extend plays and run those defense of backs to exhaustion. It is to the defenses advantage to make a quarterback break and then run up Field, where they can beat him up and now he’s exhausted. Once that quarterback goes across the line of scrimmage everybody knows there’s only one thing that can happen and that’s a run. Sure you give up some yards but in the long run You get a free shot on the quarterback and you wear him out. And now it’s harder for him to put his foot in the ground and then let loose with a pass downfield.

Football is a war of attrition it always has been. If your quarterback keeps giving up the advantage of making plays behind the line of scrimmage you put the defense in a much better position for an entire game.

Dam8610 02-02-2021 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckColt (Post 185907)
I kinda like Kyle Trask. QB Mobility is over rated these days.
Peyton was not mobile but he did OK.
Brady was not mobile but he did OK.

I think Trask is a bit overrated, especially having Kyle Pitts as his #1 receiver. We saw what he looked like against Oklahoma without Pitts. I'm not saying he doesn't have starter potential, but he's definitely a guy I'd want to sit and learn behind a veteran for at least a year.

albany ed 02-03-2021 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185952)
True, but the league is changing some. How many young QBs do you see that fit that mold?

True, the young QBs don't fit the pocket passer mold, but it's still early in their careers. If mobile QBs begin to break down like RBs after 5 to 7 years, teams will once again design their offense for pocket QBs that have a better shot at longevity. Brady is a freak on nature, but still, the QBs that last the longest are the QBs that didn't take a pounding running the ball. Let's see how long these young turks last before saying no way to a promising QB with little mobility but all the other tools.

Chromeburn 02-03-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 186015)
True, the young QBs don't fit the pocket passer mold, but it's still early in their careers. If mobile QBs begin to break down like RBs after 5 to 7 years, teams will once again design their offense for pocket QBs that have a better shot at longevity. Brady is a freak on nature, but still, the QBs that last the longest are the QBs that didn't take a pounding running the ball. Let's see how long these young turks last before saying no way to a promising QB with little mobility but all the other tools.

Smart scramblers will last longer, Wilson will last longer than Allen unless Allen tones it down. But until offensive lines become brick walls again, I don’t think we will go back. There have always been scramblers but it’s been increasing. The problem is that mobile QBs are the rage in high school and college and that is where your talent pool is coming from. Also OCs like it bc it still gives the play a chance to succeed. There will be exceptions, Burrow is the closest I can think of to a pocket passer.

Dam8610 02-03-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 186022)
Smart scramblers will last longer, Wilson will last longer than Allen unless Allen tones it down. But until offensive lines become brick walls again, I don’t think we will go back. There have always been scramblers but it’s been increasing. The problem is that mobile QBs are the rage in high school and college and that is where your talent pool is coming from. Also OCs like it bc it still gives the play a chance to succeed. There will be exceptions, Burrow is the closest I can think of to a pocket passer.

Burrow is an athletic pocket passer. A guy who is always going to look to throw the ball first and do everything in his power to make that happen, but if the play breaks down, can use his legs to make defenses pay. That's the new mold of NFL QB.

Chromeburn 02-03-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 186024)
Burrow is an athletic pocket passer. A guy who is always going to look to throw the ball first and do everything in his power to make that happen, but if the play breaks down, can use his legs to make defenses pay. That's the new mold of NFL QB.

He’s not very athletic compared to his peers. And he prefers to stay in the pocket if he can. He moves around very well in the pocket.

Colts And Orioles 02-03-2021 03:30 PM

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On the subject of quarterback change throughout the NFL ...... if Drew Brees retires (he is said to be making an announcement within the next week as to what his decision will be), Sean Payton has stated that he is very interested in re-signing their current 2nd-string QB, Jameis Winston.


Sean Payton: Saints have 'Big Interest' in Jameis Winston, Who Impressed in 2020

(By Luke Johnson)

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/a...26a277e23.html



We have a thread for this particular subject in the NFL forum ) ...... ) http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...038#post186038

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Spike 02-03-2021 05:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vn18VIg8nM

Start the video at 10:53, maybe there is a slight chance we get Luck back. Damn, that would be nice. I'm sure Irsay is working his ass off to have this happen. Come back Luck, just don't run like a fucking maniac anymore.

We'll see, again it is a friend of a friend of a friend etc... that knows Luck's wife who said Luck misses football. Go get him Irsay, offer him a small percentage of the franchise.

apballin 02-03-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 186066)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vn18VIg8nM

Start the video at 10:53, maybe there is a slight chance we get Luck back. Damn, that would be nice. I'm sure Irsay is working his ass off to have this happen. Come back Luck, just don't run like a fucking maniac anymore.

We'll see, again it is a friend of a friend of a friend etc... that knows Luck's wife who said Luck misses football. Go get him Irsay, offer him a small percentage of the franchise.

Fuck yes cmon Jimmy!!!

rcubed 02-03-2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 186066)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vn18VIg8nM

Start the video at 10:53, maybe there is a slight chance we get Luck back. Damn, that would be nice. I'm sure Irsay is working his ass off to have this happen. Come back Luck, just don't run like a fucking maniac anymore.

We'll see, again it is a friend of a friend of a friend etc... that knows Luck's wife who said Luck misses football. Go get him Irsay, offer him a small percentage of the franchise.


Sounds legit


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Oldcolt 02-04-2021 05:13 PM

The Athletic is saying the Phili is taking calls on Wentz. Ballard is going to have several ways he can go to fill the quarterback position.

Maniac 02-04-2021 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 186168)
The Athletic is saying the Phili is taking calls on Wentz. Ballard is going to have several ways he can go to fill the quarterback position.

Of course they are. They want out of that contract.


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