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JAFF 06-22-2018 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 70621)
Yep, deranged soccer is for children and girls. /s
Watching soccer is like watching two middle school kids play pong.

albany ed 06-23-2018 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70560)
There is no actual evidence to say that grigson was forcing his hand on who to play. All that was leaked to the media and more than likely from pagano to gain public support. And it worked
https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz...e-fired-pagano

omahacolt 06-23-2018 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 70630)
I wonder who the sources were there? Pagano maybe?


Again, that wasn’t proven. Just a report leaked to save pagano’s job

Racehorse 06-23-2018 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70543)
The picture was painted pretty clear. The media was being fed constant stories about how grigson was terrible and controlling everything. Constant hit pieces on grigson and pagano always looking good.

Grigson never said a word. Although he has admitted publicly to being a dick as a gm yet hasn’t said anything that I have heard about pagano or anyone.

Pagano got all his coaches fired and recently admitted Luck got him more years than he deserved.

Not really hard to connect the dots
I know Grigson has an NFL job today, but Pagano...? Speaks volumes!

YDFL Commish 06-23-2018 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 70631)
I wonder who the sources were there? Pagano maybe?


Again, that wasn’t proven. Just a report leaked to save pagano’s job
Come on Omaha...you're better than that. Where there's smoke there's fire. While I believe that Pagano and his staff (with his blessing) were the source of the leaks, in no way, do I think that those events didn't transpire.

Sure, Pagano was a spineless snake for not standing up to Grigson from the beginning, for being the source of the leaks and for throwing almost every assistant coach under the bus for his failures, but I have no doubt that the leaks did not misrepresent Grigson as something that he wasn't.

Oldcolt 06-23-2018 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 70630)
Why on earth would I believe this article. The guy didn’t even get who is to be fired correct. And was poor Pagano hen pecked into failure by Ballard also? If, and it’s a big if, he wasn’t man enough to stand up to a gm who was about to be fired that is 100% on him. I have much more respect for Grigson He at least has admitted he was an ass and taken responsibility for it. Moving on

HoosierinFL 06-23-2018 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 70633)
I know Grigson has an NFL job today, but Pagano...? Speaks volumes!
with who? Cleveland fired him

omahacolt 06-23-2018 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 70635)
Come on Omaha...you're better than that. Where there's smoke there's fire. While I believe that Pagano and his staff (with his blessing) were the source of the leaks, in no way, do I think that those events didn't transpire.

Sure, Pagano was a spineless snake for not standing up to Grigson from the beginning, for being the source of the leaks and for throwing almost every assistant coach under the bus for his failures, but I have no doubt that the leaks did not misrepresent Grigson as something that he wasn't.
I believe the rumors that grigson was a dick. His free agent signings and draft picks are well known to be not good enough.

His meddling is something I don’t know if true. Other than the normal high draft picks and big contracts get more chances. That is with every organization though.

Just blindly believing everything that came out about grigson seems foolish especially since we can pretty clearly see where they were coming from

omahacolt 06-23-2018 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 70640)
with who? Cleveland fired him
Consultant with Seattle

1965southpaw 06-23-2018 02:43 PM
Why are we still having this debate? Proven: Pagano was a horrible coach. Proven: Grigson was a horrible evaluator/selector of talent. BOTH sucked at THE core element of their jobs. Everything else re character, intentions, leadership are just noise. Neither one were worthy of their positions leading the Colts and that rests at Irsays feet. I hope/think he has learned as a result that he needs to step back and stay focused on what he does well.......writing big-ass checks.


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