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rcubed 01-12-2023 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 257763)
Agree. Whoever it was that was being interviewed, again I think it was Holder, said they believe Harbaugh will be the final interview and that he has indicated he wants to make sure Saturday has been given full interview and consideration before talking to Jim out of respect for Jeff- which if so, that's cool and if all this is happening behind the scenes, great.

We need him here so bad. He isn't going to take any bullshit interference from Irsay and I do believe he would ultimately trump Ballard even if he remains (if he does, just proves to me he is a dude that is not really about anything other than getting a nice check and having this title that allows him to rub elbows with the league's elite- as EVERYONE would understand he is a GM in name only).
I think you are being overly harsh. A GM and HC should work closely and the HC should have heavy input into player choices. The coach should not have complete roster control though, but where is it reported that harbaugh would demand complete control?

ChoppedWood 01-12-2023 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 257765)
I think you are being overly harsh. A GM and HC should work closely and the HC should have heavy input into player choices. The coach should not have complete roster control though, but where is it reported that harbaugh would demand complete control?
I've never seen a demand from Harbaugh that he would want complete control. Most on the talking head show's however indicate they believe he would want to be "the man" within whatever organization he chooses.

Yes, I agree they should work in concert. I also have to believe that with what has already been done to him ala Saturday, that if Harbaugh were to come here, shit, man how could you not feel like you were just a token figure with no real influence and no perceived value? I know I would feel that way. So if it happens and he stays, would just seem to be a situation of not really caring and kinda liking the cush nature of the gig and thus sort of just tagging along for the perks.

rcubed 01-12-2023 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 257766)
I've never seen a demand from Harbaugh that he would want complete control. Most on the talking head show's however indicate they believe he would want to be "the man" within whatever organization he chooses.

Yes, I agree they should work in concert. I also have to believe that with what has already been done to him ala Saturday, that if Harbaugh were to come here, shit, man how could you not feel like you were just a token figure with no real influence and no perceived value? I know I would feel that way. So if it happens and he stays, would just seem to be a situation of not really caring and kinda liking the cush nature of the gig and thus sort of just tagging along for the perks.
fine. but the way you phrased in before stating "just proves to me he is a dude that is not really about anything other than ..." makes it sound like that's the way you already perceive ballard. I dont think that's the case. I think ballard thinks very highly of himself and his philosophy, but I also think that he is quite open to receiving input from his staff, coach, and irsay as seen in the draft videos they put out.

I would expect that if all decision making were removed from him then he would ask irsay to release him. you could see it in his face when saturday was introduced that he was not really on board, but ballard also knew it was just for an interim basis.

YDFL Commish 01-12-2023 06:33 PM
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.

ChoppedWood 01-12-2023 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 257800)
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.
Yep, something along those lines. Chappy was on JMV tonight, tons of discussion around Ballard being retained, Chappy made the statement that there is something that Irsay sees in Ballard that he trusts. He then said "Ultimately he lost that trust in frank for a NUMBER of different reasons"- and he clearly enunciated the word NUMBER to add emphasis that he (Irsay) must have communicated a series of things he was tired of with Frank.

IndyNorm 01-14-2023 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 257800)
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.
LMAO. This might be the best line of the season.

Dewey 5 01-14-2023 10:57 PM
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.

Discflinger 01-14-2023 11:03 PM
I don’t know why I found that so funny. It’s a frightening prospect, but boss man is just the type to do it.

omahacolt 01-15-2023 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 258000)
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.
i fucking hope not

Brylok 01-15-2023 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 258000)
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.
How would he even be able to assemble a staff? Who would be part of the "Saturday coaching tree"? Former player friends? Current or former ESPN analysts? Highschool coaching colleagues/acquaintances? Con artists, grifters, opportunists looking to make a buck? Nightmare scenario.


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