Look at Dammy's sig... that tells you how obsessed with himself being right and everyone else being wrong he is.

I said the move for Fisher was a good one, and the way he executed it was even better. But aren't you Mr. BPA? Because to me, Jenkins was BPA at 21. I know you're going to say "but Ballard and the Colts didn't", but we've already established that Ballard isn't infallible. One thing I will say for sure is that I value a combination of floor and ceiling much higher than what it appears most NFL front offices do. They all appear to want to swing for the fences every time, which is why it's not surprising that the first round bust rate is 50%. What's funny to me is how much you all get on me about looking at measureables, but don't recognize when Ballard is unnecessarily obsessing over measureables (in this case arm length for OTs). Based on his statements, I'm betting he had Rashawn Slater, the guy who shut down Chase Young, as a Guard because of arm length. There is a validity to looking at arm length to project a player to LT in the NFL, but I think that's more about failure rate than it is about requiring abnormally long arms as Ballard seems to. Basically, if a potential OT has shorter than 33" arms, he's probably going to have to kick inside to OG in the NFL. The failure rate on OTs with arms shorter than 33" is 100% over the last several decades according to others who have done research on that sort of thing. Jenkins and Slater both had longer than 33" arms and incredible tape. I know Jenkins played RT at OKSU, but so did Tyron Smith at USC, and he's been a pretty solid NFL LT. When you watch Jenkins on tape, you see LT traits. Great kickslide, excellent technician who occasionally toys with DEs with his technique, able to handle speed (demolished Ossai the whole game), able to handle power, doesn't cheat outside and leave inside rush lanes, finishes every play strong. When the testing numbers came back, that eliminated any doubt he could play LT at the next level, at least in my mind. His RAS score was 9.74 or something ridiculous like that. At 21, Jenkins was the best combination of floor and ceiling, and Paye was the best ceiling. I'd rather have the former, but since we now have the latter, I hope it works out.

Doesn't matter if they can outrun Paye if he's stuck on a block.

LOL you mean because I ripped the one time in the history of the board that Omaha actually admitted he was wrong about something? That's more a commentary on him. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, feel free to dig through my post history. An example I know off the top of my head is that I was wrong about Nelson being a bad pick at 6. It's hard to project someone to be the next John Hannah, though.

While Ballard isn't infallible it sure seem like you think you are Dam. I, like most of us freaks, like to think I think for myself. Me personally, I think Ballard is correct and you are wrong. Nothing more to it than that. I will say that I enjoy your strongly held opinions, without them this would be a dead board right now, so please keep telling me how stupid I am :) for not thinking like you do. It is fun to argue over shit that matters not.

Jenkins WAS NOT the BPA at 21. Paye was

I certainly don't think I'm infallible and I haven't called anyone stupid for not sharing my opinion. You hit the nail on the head with that last sentence, though.

I disagree for the aforementioned reasons. Time will bear out who is right, and quite frankly because of who the Colts drafted, I hope I turn out wrong, but I don't think I will.

So you would feel better with a Jenkins at tackle and Justin Houston at End?

I’d take Fischer /Paye over that any day

Gotta look at the possibilities

Yes. I think Odeyingbo is going to be better than Paye anyway, so the experienced, productive Houston at DE and the NFL ready Jenkins lining up at LT next to Nelson appeals to me a lot more than the raw Paye being DE1 with the injured Eric Fisher hopefully being back in time for Week 1 and providing slightly better play than Jenkins.

Houston’s play was severely declining and there’s no way you can say Fischer is only slightly better than Jenkins if he was that dam good he would’ve been gone by 21

Give me the solid LT

And the DE with upside

Odengbo was a luxury pick at this point

Jared Allen and Marques Colston were 7th round picks. Alvin Kamara was a 3rd round pick. Jeff Saturday was a UDFA. NFL scouts don't always get it right.