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rm1369 03-20-2018 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 60386)
it was a fantastic trade

we just can't take at rb at 6
If they had heavily invested in the O line in free agency it would have still been stupid to take a rb at 6. But considering the shit line it appears they are going to trot out next season, taking a rb at 6 would be criminally stupid.

VeveJones007 03-21-2018 12:43 AM
In Peter King’s last two columns, he’s said that Ballard is looking to trade down from 6 for even more picks. I’ll be upset if Chubb is there and he moves out.

njcoltfan 03-21-2018 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 60403)
In Peter King’s last two columns, he’s said that Ballard is looking to trade down from 6 for even more picks. I’ll be upset if Chubb is there and he moves out.
He won't trade out of 6 if Chubb is there, that would insanely stupid.

Indiana V2 03-21-2018 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 60412)
He won't trade out of 6 if Chubb is there, that would insanely stupid.
Ballard even mentioned that it would be hard to move back further if the player they want is available at 6.

albany ed 03-21-2018 07:22 AM
I'd like to see them get Chubb, then in round 2 maybe McGlinchy and a CB like Oliver.

VeveJones007 03-21-2018 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 60422)
I'd like to see them get Chubb, then in round 2 maybe McGlinchy and a CB like Oliver.
Probably need to move back into 20-25 to get McGlinchy.

Dam8610 03-21-2018 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 60434)
Probably need to move back into 20-25 to get McGlinchy.
Which they should be doing, but for one of the LBs that won't make it past the end of the first round.

Maniac 03-21-2018 12:25 PM
Colts re-signed Mewhort

Dam8610 03-21-2018 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 60470)
Colts re-signed Mewhort
To me this signals that they're likely Chubb or bust at 6.

Maniac 03-21-2018 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 60477)
To me this signals that they're likely Chubb or bust at 6.
They couldn't go into the draft without any free agents on the o-line or their hand may be forced. This gives them more freedom, but if Chubb is gone and Nelson is still there, you have to strongly consider it. That would be solidifying that position for sure, which they still really don't know otherwise if it is. I wouldn't consider Slausen or Mewhort as definitely solidifying it. It's taking some shots, but who knows if they work out or can stay healthy at all.

DragonTails 03-21-2018 01:18 PM
We need a damn play maker at 6 (Chubb). You can't have the 3rd pick in the draft and come away with a bunch of potential or projects.

The play maker(s) has to be on the on of the lines - not a rb or wr.

Butter 03-21-2018 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 60477)
To me this signals that they're likely Chubb or bust at 6.
Probably, but I am not sure Mewhort stops you from drafting Nelson.

FatDT 03-21-2018 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 60512)
Probably, but I am not sure Mewhort stops you from drafting Nelson.
I dont' think it flat out stops you from drafting him if he's the BPA when you pick. But I think if the Colts have the choice between him and Chubb you can make the case that the relative strength on the roster at guard vs. DE, plus the difference in positional value between DE and guard, would push it in Chubb's favor.

VeveJones007 03-21-2018 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 60517)
I dont' think it flat out stops you from drafting him if he's the BPA when you pick. But I think if the Colts have the choice between him and Chubb you can make the case that the relative strength on the roster at guard vs. DE, plus the difference in positional value between DE and guard, would push it in Chubb's favor.
Agree on the positional value differential, but not on the current roster strength. Both groups are pretty terrible.

sherck 03-21-2018 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 60517)
I dont' think it flat out stops you from drafting him if he's the BPA when you pick. But I think if the Colts have the choice between him and Chubb you can make the case that the relative strength on the roster at guard vs. DE, plus the difference in positional value between DE and guard, would push it in Chubb's favor.
Good post and I agree.

Chubb plus a 2nd round OG of which youare probably going to be picking the #2, #3, or #4 guy of the position group

VS

Nelson plus a 2nd round DE of which you are probably going to be picking the #5, #6, #7, or #8 guy of the position group.

Not much of a choice once you look at it that way.

Walk Worthy,

FatDT 03-21-2018 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 60523)
Agree on the positional value differential, but not on the current roster strength. Both groups are pretty terrible.
I agree both are terrible. But I'd argue with Mewhort's signing guard is slightly less terrible. And that the depth at guard in the draft is a lot better than the depth at DE. Big dropoff after Chubb, whereas there are several guys after Nelson that look like potential quality starters in the NFL. Hernandez, Wynn, Price, Smith, Ragnow, Quessenberry, Teller. And you could throw in some of the OTs, we need a RT too.

FatDT 03-21-2018 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 60525)
Good post and I agree.

Chubb plus a 2nd round OG of which youare probably going to be picking the #2, #3, or #4 guy of the position group

VS

Nelson plus a 2nd round DE of which you are probably going to be picking the #5, #6, #7, or #8 guy of the position group.

Not much of a choice once you look at it that way.

Walk Worthy,
And IMO anyway the #2,3, and 4 guys at DE aren't that great. After Chubb they all have big questions.

omahacolt 03-22-2018 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 60469)
Which they should be doing, but for one of the LBs that won't make it past the end of the first round.
fuck no

no trading back into the 1st

Butter 03-22-2018 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 60770)
fuck no

no trading back into the 1st
I agree, we have way too many needs and the 2nd is a great place to fill them. Hopefully, we never again have the opportunity to be this flush.

DragonTails 03-22-2018 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 60529)
And IMO anyway the #2,3, and 4 guys at DE aren't that great. After Chubb they all have big questions.
We're not getting Chubb.

Butter 03-22-2018 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 60517)
I dont' think it flat out stops you from drafting him if he's the BPA when you pick. But I think if the Colts have the choice between him and Chubb you can make the case that the relative strength on the roster at guard vs. DE, plus the difference in positional value between DE and guard, would push it in Chubb's favor.
I agree I feel pass rushing DE is much more important than guard.

Puck 03-22-2018 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 60797)
I agree I feel pass rushing DE is much more important than guard.

Andrew Luck would beg to differ

smitty46953 03-22-2018 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 60798)
Andrew Luck would beg to differ
His shoulder will feel a lot better if they say Nelson ... :cool:

Butter 03-22-2018 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 60798)
Andrew Luck would beg to differ
Like Ballard said this is a team, not just Luck. Clearly, a lot needs to be done to protect him better, but a better D that pressures the other QB takes some pressure off Luck.

VeveJones007 03-22-2018 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 60798)
Andrew Luck would beg to differ
Andrew can also speak from experience how impactful a pass rush can be.

VeveJones007 03-22-2018 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 60801)
Like Ballard said this is a team, not just Luck. Clearly, a lot needs to be done to protect him better, but a better D that pressures the other QB takes some pressure off Luck.
Have to be able to protect a lead at LOS. Can’t do that without a pass rush. Late-Manning Colts consistently won with an average to bad o-line. They won because Manning got a lead and they had pass rushers to put teams away.

YDFL Commish 03-22-2018 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 60797)
I agree I feel pass rushing DE is much more important than guard.
Below is barring injury, which no one can predict.

If the guard is in your mind a sure fire perennial all pro, and a likely HOF player, and the DE is at the level of a few Pro Bowls and a fringe HOF candidate, which one do you take?

FatDT 03-22-2018 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 60822)
Below is barring injury, which no one can predict.

If the guard is in your mind a sure fire perennial all pro, and a likely HOF player, and the DE is at the level of a few Pro Bowls and a fringe HOF candidate, which one do you take?
A fringe HOF pass rusher and it's not even close.

omahacolt 03-23-2018 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 60826)
A fringe HOF pass rusher and it's not even close.
Yep. Especially if we are talking about a LG

Racehorse 03-23-2018 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DragonTails (Post 60794)
We're not getting Chubb.
NO, but the Colts might.

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 12:58 PM
Good article from Holder. Colts are working through their plan based on scenarios of what happens from 1-5.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...aft/462245002/

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As for what the Colts think of the individual prospects, we know they see Barkley as nearly flawless. That’s in line with pretty much the rest of the NFL. Chubb is an interesting evaluation. He’s not a freakish player in the mold of Von Miller but, internally, the Colts have used Terrell Suggs as a comparison due to their similar physicality and power. And at Notre Dame’s pro day last week, Ballard said of Nelson, “You can see his natural power. He’s a big, strong man. He’s got quick feet, good agility and balance, so you saw about everything you wanted to see. You saw it on tape, too.”
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Here’s something we don’t know: Who would the Colts be inclined to pick if Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are all gone at pick No. 6?

What we learned in Orlando: The Colts have identified which prospect outside that group they most like, and they are ready and willing to pick him if this scenario plays out. We won’t speculate, but don’t rule out any position (except quarterback).
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The Colts don’t seem inclined to trade down any further unless the run on quarterbacks fails to materialize.

If two of that top-four group of quarterbacks remain on the board at No. 6, the Colts do think they might garner some attractive trade offers for their pick. But they are not actively seeking to trade the pick as of right now.

“If it’s beneficial for us, and we think we have a deal that works long term, we’ll make the deal,” Ballard said. “But (No. 6) is a good spot for us.”

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 01:00 PM
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There's also a mystery player who is pretty high on the Colts' draft board. I haven't been able to identify him, but I laid out the situation in there.
-Holder

sherck 03-27-2018 01:02 PM
Good article.

I don't know that I love anyone else at #6 outside of Chubb, Nelson and Barkley that cannot probably be gotten at #8 or #10 if there really is that non-run on QBs.

None of the top CBs, LBs or OTs scream "Top-10" pick. After the QBs and the big-3 are gone, then I keep seeing mostly offensive skill players in the next couple of slots.

We will see but I expect a QB-run and our chance at one of those "big 3" players.

Walk Worthy,

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 61251)
Good article.

I don't know that I love anyone else at #6 outside of Chubb, Nelson and Barkley that cannot probably be gotten at #8 or #10 if there really is that non-run on QBs.

None of the top CBs, LBs or OTs scream "Top-10" pick. After the QBs and the big-3 are gone, then I keep seeing mostly offensive skill players in the next couple of slots.

We will see but I expect a QB-run and our chance at one of those "big 3" players.

Walk Worthy,
I think they’ll have a choice of 2. I’m intrigued to see which they take. I just really hope it isn’t Barkley since good RBs will be available late 2nd/early 3rd (Michel, Guice, Jones, Penny)

Dam8610 03-27-2018 01:55 PM
Faster Terrell Suggs is a good comp for Chubb. A lot of his game reminds me of Suggs, but he's faster and he plays faster.

sherck 03-27-2018 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 61265)
Faster Terrell Suggs is a good comp for Chubb. A lot of his game reminds me of Suggs, but he's faster and he plays faster.
Suggs is no slug.

If you could tell me that he has the ability to get 7 double digit sack seasons to go along with 4 8.0-9.5 sack seasons (11 season averaging over 1/2 sack a game) then I am ALL OVER Chubb.

Man, did that come out wrong! :)

But, seriously, I hope he is still available and is the pick.

Walk Worthy,

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 61267)
Suggs is no slug.

If you could tell me that he has the ability to get 7 double digit sack seasons to go along with 4 8.0-9.5 sack seasons (11 season averaging over 1/2 sack a game) then I am ALL OVER Chubb.

Man, did that come out wrong! :)

But, seriously, I hope he is still available and is the pick.

Walk Worthy,
I lost in fantasy playoffs last year because Suggs had something ridiculous like 9 hurries in a single game. He's a beast and has been for a very long time.

Dam8610 03-27-2018 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 61267)
Suggs is no slug.

If you could tell me that he has the ability to get 7 double digit sack seasons to go along with 4 8.0-9.5 sack seasons (11 season averaging over 1/2 sack a game) then I am ALL OVER Chubb.

Man, did that come out wrong! :)

But, seriously, I hope he is still available and is the pick.

Walk Worthy,
Another way to look at it: the only reason Suggs fell to the 10th pick in the 2003 draft is because he had a bad combine. He would've been a likely Top 3 pick had he run a 4.65 like Chubb.

FatDT 03-27-2018 03:33 PM
Not to get all Dam about this but I called the Suggs comparison months ago. Surprise guys I've been a scout with the Colts all this time. And I DO think he's a no-brainer at 6.

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 49955)
I like Chubb as a player. The more I watch him though I don't think he's an elite pass rush prospect like Myles Garrett, Clowney, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, Watt, etc. He's not an athletic freak. He's a good athlete, and he is a high effort player. I will not mind taking him. Guys like Suggs, Jared Allen, Michael Bennett, Demarcus Lawrence, Cam Jordan, are some of the best defenders on the edge in recent history and were not "freaks". But I don't think he's a no brainer at #3.
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 3142)
Suggs is who he reminds me of.
PS TJ Green wasn't my fault.

Butter 03-27-2018 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 61280)

PS TJ Green wasn't my fault.
You know who would say that, the scout who sold Pagrigsono in TJ


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