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Ironshaft 08-07-2023 09:29 AM

I have already pushed my JT jersey to the back of my closet and will box it up for Goodwill once the Colts trade him away. I still have my Big Q jersey to wear.

Next man up.

That said, I understand his desire to be paid more; it is the same desire everyone has. But I also understand that you honor the committments you have already made (in this case to the CBA).

I hope we can get a mid-round 2nd for him and let someone else pay him what he wants. While his persumed production this year would have helped AR get aclimated to the NFL, it only works if he wants to be here. And he does not.

Honestly, I already felt we were about a 4-5 win team in 2023 and with the loss of JT, our target range will probably drop to around 2-4 wins. When your best offensive weapon is a rookie QB....

Marvin Harrison Jr? Paging Marvin Harrision Jr for the Colts....

Draft the best RB available in 2024 with one of our 2nd round picks...
Draft interior O-Line with the other 2nd round pick...
Draft defense with the whole rest of the draft...

Let's start building for 2024 and beyond.

2023 is now just about getting AR comfortable with the offense, developing his NFL timing and hoping that our young wide receiver and tight ends develop (and CBs for that matter).

Oldcolt 08-07-2023 10:05 AM

I like your attitude Ironshaft (not worried about losing JT-I couldn't agree more on that) but don't agree with you about not wanting him here because he doesn't want to be here. First I don't believe you can get a 2nd for the guy. I doubt anyone is going to give up a 2nd and pay him what he wants. He may not be happy but if he sulks it will cost him millions of dollars long term. I understand that right now things are hot but time tends to cool down tempers, as does the fact of losing millions of dollars if you don't. Life is tough for these prima donas.

AS far as him not wanting to be here I just do not buy that or even care. There have been tons of very tough negotiations in the NFL over the years. Lamar is just the latest example. Both sides may need to give a little but it is doable. Just going to take time.

Chromeburn 08-07-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 270258)
Man there is something to be said for this- and also hearing the rumors of JT being "unhappy" about his injury...

WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THIS FRANCHISE?

The other day JMV as asking someone- think it might have been Bowen, if this is just a toxic workplace. Whoever it was responded back with the "that's a bit too strong of a word but there's definitely something not quite right on 56th Street".

Well, and yes I am a hater, without question I am, but is the problem fucking Ballard? Timeline matches up.

Peyton - Wayne era, even despite the James situation, and even in the face of the overwhelming difficulty of the Peyton neck situation- the TEAM was harmonious; seemed like everyone was on the same page. Hell even in the Grigson era it didn't seem like there was this constant level of fucking noise around the team, just bad personnel and coaching decisions.

It's always made me wonder- why did Philip just up and quit football? Had a really good season, had a team that looked like it could have made a run that next year, would have been paid a tidy sum, nope, just gonna quit. Hines, Gilmore and it appears Okereke to a lesser extent all made it apparent they wanted to leave this team. Let's not forget, Ballard is also responsible for saying they looked at like 30 minutes of film on Ryan and determined he still had it (wtf- why is he still here????).

Is it just his fixation on "his boys" that is causing a bunch of this? And is Jim's over-reaching last year and now clearly way too fucking far into this shit, a reflection on Ballard just being a stooge and Irsay having to act because Ballard is a GM in name only?

Whatever is the fuel behind this, and I am not in the camp that it is Jim just given some of the past work- with a guy like Edge asking him to do is invocation and rolling with him to the podium- man I just have a hard time believing this is Jim's doings. Whatever it is, this shit needs to be rooted out and gotten rid of. This franchise is better than this petty shit that's been going around here the last several years.

I don’t trust the radio guys. Just did a rant on them. Grigson was super toxic. Lots of former players have talked about it. I only read good things about Ballard from former players. Mac says great things about him all the time.I trust him over any of the radio guys.

I listened to that radio broadcast. Seems like the same stretch that Doyle was trying to make. Gilmore wasn’t some longtime Colt, he’s a journeyman, him moving on is not a big deal and that happens on other teams all the time. Hines wasn’t being used, that’s a Reich thing. So that leaves JT who wants a record setting contract. All last year these same radio guys were saying “don’t pay running backs. You don’t pay them in the NFL.” Bowen said it all last summer. Now he sits there the other day and says Taylor deserves a contract. Wtf! It seems more about doing what Ballard isn’t doing.

He then says Peyton had Marvin and he had Glenn so you can’t compare it to the Faulk situation. Huh? Richardson has Quinton Nelson one of the best interior players in the league and Raimann who is continuing to look good. Smith is a top ten RT. Then we got MPJ, Pierce, Downs and a loaded TE room with lots of potential. Faulk was clearly the best player on that team at the time though, as JT is now. It’s a very similar situation. I just don’t get wtf these radio guys are doing. When it seemed Ballard was going to sign JT to a new deal it was “you don’t pay RB’s in today’s league.” Now they have totally reversed coarse?!? And another great tidbit they talk about how the Colts need to be like the Jaguars signing a bunch of mid receivers to huge contracts. Surround your QB with as as many guys as possible, just totally ignoring the whole Urban Meyer debacle. What a clown show of analysis. Seems they just want to create bullshit and drama up.

Discflinger 08-07-2023 01:30 PM

Yep

Let it all play

Chromeburn 08-07-2023 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 270402)
I have already pushed my JT jersey to the back of my closet and will box it up for Goodwill once the Colts trade him away. I still have my Big Q jersey to wear.

Next man up.

That said, I understand his desire to be paid more; it is the same desire everyone has. But I also understand that you honor the committments you have already made (in this case to the CBA).

I hope we can get a mid-round 2nd for him and let someone else pay him what he wants. While his persumed production this year would have helped AR get aclimated to the NFL, it only works if he wants to be here. And he does not.

Honestly, I already felt we were about a 4-5 win team in 2023 and with the loss of JT, our target range will probably drop to around 2-4 wins. When your best offensive weapon is a rookie QB....

Marvin Harrison Jr? Paging Marvin Harrision Jr for the Colts....

Draft the best RB available in 2024 with one of our 2nd round picks...
Draft interior O-Line with the other 2nd round pick...
Draft defense with the whole rest of the draft...

Let's start building for 2024 and beyond.

2023 is now just about getting AR comfortable with the offense, developing his NFL timing and hoping that our young wide receiver and tight ends develop (and CBs for that matter).

If we do end up with a top pick. There are going to be a ton of QBs that will drive skill talent down the board. Also there are some really good players already projected at the top:

WR Marvin Harrison Jr (obviously)
CB Ga'Quincy 'Kool-Aid' Mckinistry Bama
TE Brock Bowers GA
DE Jared Verse FSU
WR Emeka Egbuka OSU
OT Olumuyiwa Fashnu PSU (would have been the top OT this year)
OT Joe Alt ND

So they should have a good selection of talent to choose from.

Mr. Session 08-08-2023 06:10 AM

If one of these TE's doesn't figure it out, I've been watching the TE from UGA for a couple of years now...

That kid is legit.

YDFL Commish 08-08-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 270475)
If one of these TE's doesn't figure it out, I've been watching the TE from UGA for a couple of years now...

That kid is legit.

If we have the unfortunate opportunity to draft in the top 10, it damn well not be a TE.

Mr. Session 08-08-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 270488)
If we have the unfortunate opportunity to draft in the top 10, it damn well not be a TE.

I get it.

He makes it look easy is all I’m saying.

Chromeburn 08-08-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 270475)
If one of these TE's doesn't figure it out, I've been watching the TE from UGA for a couple of years now...

That kid is legit.

Sites are saying he is a better prospect than Kyle Pitts.

But we do have a lot of young players at TE that need to develop.

JAFF 08-08-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 270488)
If we have the unfortunate opportunity to draft in the top 10, it damn well not be a TE.

Dallas Clark was a pretty good choice at # 1. John Mackey wasnt too bad.

Dam8610 08-08-2023 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 270511)
Dallas Clark was a pretty good choice at # 1. John Mackey wasnt too bad.

Clark was the 24th pick, Mackey the 19th, which was a 2nd round pick at the time. You're proving his point to not spend a top 10 pick at the position.

JAFF 08-08-2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 270516)
Clark was the 24th pick, Mackey the 19th, which was a 2nd round pick at the time. You're proving his point to not spend a top 10 pick at the position.

I was thinking of team first round pick.

Mike Ditka was taken with the fifth pick in the draft in 1961. How did that work out? If kelvin winslow’s clone were to show up in the draft, you would be crazy not to take him. Norm Snead was taken in front of him.

Gronk went in the second round, do you think scouts are looking for the same skills in future picks?

ChaosTheory 08-08-2023 04:49 PM

So Taylor is rehabbing away from the team so he'll be ready for the start of the season... I honestly don't know, is that a normal thing? Ankle that jacked up?

Of course Rappaport is going to throw in the "who he'll be playing for is another story" but that's tabloid to me.

IndyNorm 08-08-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270527)
So Taylor is rehabbing away from the team so he'll be ready for the start of the season... I honestly don't know, is that a normal thing? Ankle that jacked up?

Of course Rappaport is going to throw in the "who he'll be playing for is another story" but that's tabloid to me.

Yep. Another twist to the story. Will be interesting to find out if his ankle is actually still fucked up or if the Colts are just looking to get him out of the facility.

IndyNorm 08-08-2023 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 270488)
If we have the unfortunate opportunity to draft in the top 10, it damn well not be a TE.

Don't be surprised if we actually do pick Bowers. He'll probably have the highest RAS score, which will get Ballard all excited. And it looks like Steichen has a TE fetish since we have like 30 of them in camp right now.

JAFF 08-08-2023 07:45 PM

There is a rumor that Kareem Hunt may make a stop in Indy looking for a job

ChoppedWood 08-08-2023 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 270545)
Yep. Another twist to the story. Will be interesting to find out if his ankle is actually still fucked up or if the Colts are just looking to get him out of the facility.

Radio guys say he told the team he was going to go off campus for rehab. Inference is another chip played in the dispute. If so, fucking NFI his ass right now and let's just move the fuck on. By all accounts we're gonna suck- EVERYONE is out with an "injury" right now, does have a lot of tanking hallmarks. Fuck it tank and get the # 1 and make someone go Ditka for the # 1 for either Williams or Maye and then take Harrison Jr.

Chromeburn 08-08-2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270527)
So Taylor is rehabbing away from the team so he'll be ready for the start of the season... I honestly don't know, is that a normal thing? Ankle that jacked up?

Of course Rappaport is going to throw in the "who he'll be playing for is another story" but that's tabloid to me.

His ankle should be long healed by now. Not sure what is happening. Did he and the agent try to force an extension knowing that he isn't healthy? And now Hunt is coming in for a workout.

JAFF 08-09-2023 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 270558)
His ankle should be long healed by now. Not sure what is happening. Did he and the agent try to force an extension knowing that he isn't healthy? And now Hunt is coming in for a workout.

His ankle doesnt matter. If he is pissed off at the team, its best he not be at camp. Let him go, cut him, trade him for some used tackling dummies, or what ever gets him somewhere else. The Edmonton Elks need help, send him there, see how things can be worse

Oldcolt 08-09-2023 10:34 AM

Next man up-I am tired of this shit. If our offense is dependent on JT we are screwed anyway-that isn't a winning formula. really hasn't been for 40 years.

CletusPyle 08-09-2023 12:17 PM

I tried to give JT the benefit of the doubt, I won't make that mistake again! Get him out, take a 3rd if you have to, but end it and move on!

ChaosTheory 08-09-2023 12:38 PM

Part of why I feel JT has to play for us is directly related to us looking at Kareem Hunt...

If they put together a committee of whoever between Moss, Jackson, Drake, a rookie, potentially Hunt... and they couple that with Richardson (who I think will end up starting) to produce a solid running game...

Then JT will have successfully proven the point against himself and his future negotiations. I don't think much of his representation, but JT himself is not dumb. Which makes me think there actually is something up with the ankle.

Racehorse 08-09-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270589)
Part of why I feel JT has to play for us is directly related to us looking at Kareem Hunt...

If they put together a committee of whoever between Moss, Jackson, Drake, a rookie, potentially Hunt... and they couple that with Richardson (who I think will end up starting) to produce a solid running game...

Then JT will have successfully proven the point against himself and his future negotiations. I don't think much of his representation, but JT himself is not dumb. Which makes me think there actually is something up with the ankle.

Can you elaborate?

ChaosTheory 08-09-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 270627)
Can you elaborate?

Which part?

IndyNorm 08-09-2023 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270589)
Part of why I feel JT has to play for us is directly related to us looking at Kareem Hunt...

If they put together a committee of whoever between Moss, Jackson, Drake, a rookie, potentially Hunt... and they couple that with Richardson (who I think will end up starting) to produce a solid running game...

Then JT will have successfully proven the point against himself and his future negotiations. I don't think much of his representation, but JT himself is not dumb. Which makes me think there actually is something up with the ankle.

Maybe his agent got JT smoking crack in the offseason b/c acting like a total douche and demanding a big contract extension while you're injured is a pretty stupid way to go about it.

ChaosTheory 08-09-2023 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 270641)
Maybe his agent got JT smoking crack in the offseason b/c acting like a total douche and demanding a big contract extension while you're injured is a pretty stupid way to go about it.

Good point, neither looks smart. I don't know, though. Something about this faking the injury idea seems funky and is even more harmful to his cause in my eyes.

Racehorse 08-10-2023 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270632)
Which part?

JT proving the point against him.

ChaosTheory 08-10-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 270656)
JT proving the point against him.

Oh, I was just saying argument from JT's perspective is that he can't be reproduced. And if he allows the Colts (by faking injury, aka sitting-in) to put together a RB committee that might even include an available, productive vet (like Hunt), it's a gamble because...

Seems to me there's a good chance that that RB room + Richardson could produce a running game that, while not as good as it would be with healthy JT, could still be plenty capable and effective at a fraction of the cost. You can win with it.

Which would prove the point against JT about what's cost-effective in the RB market. Whereas if he plays hard and looks closer to '21 again, he's in good shape money-wise.

Now, if he's actually injured, nothing he can do. But, if he's faking it as some people speculate, he'd be doing it to himself... which just seems off to me. Of course nothing will surprise me at this point, it's just my intuition which could be wrong.

Racehorse 08-10-2023 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 270666)
Oh, I was just saying argument from JT's perspective is that he can't be reproduced. And if he allows the Colts (by faking injury, aka sitting-in) to put together a RB committee that might even include an available, productive vet (like Hunt), it's a gamble because...

Seems to me there's a good chance that that RB room + Richardson could produce a running game that, while not as good as it would be with healthy JT, could still be plenty capable and effective at a fraction of the cost. You can win with it.

Which would prove the point against JT about what's cost-effective in the RB market. Whereas if he plays hard and looks closer to '21 again, he's in good shape money-wise.

Now, if he's actually injured, nothing he can do. But, if he's faking it as some people speculate, he'd be doing it to himself... which just seems off to me. Of course nothing will surprise me at this point, it's just my intuition which could be wrong.

Makes sense now. I thought you were saying JT was trying to make that point, but I see now that you weren't.

HoosierinFL 08-11-2023 03:07 PM

Yea it's such a bad gamble. If the Colts offensive line improves, and they start running the ball effectively without JT, then all his leverage evaporates. The only way for him to get paid is to play and play well.

Oldcolt 08-11-2023 03:55 PM

He has no leverage. Good line, don’t NEED him. If the line sucks it won’t matter who is the running back.

rm1369 08-11-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 270762)
Yea it's such a bad gamble. If the Colts offensive line improves, and they start running the ball effectively without JT, then all his leverage evaporates. The only way for him to get paid is to play and play well.

Agreed. Which is part of the reason I think he has a real injury (not just “holding out”) and it’s potentially a bigger issue. Explains several things including why JT is so adamant to get paid now. The issue likely leaves the possibility of it lingering. Otherwise he and his agent are pretty dumb. His best chance of getting paid is replicating 2 years ago.

ChaosTheory 08-15-2023 07:53 PM

So I guess the rumor now is that Taylor left the team to get stem cell treatment. It's honestly the first plausible explanation for leaving the team and I feel like a dummy for not considering it.

As things go on, with him leaving for a few days and the recent signings by fellow RB's seemingly putting the writing on the wall... I become more steadfast in my belief that Taylor's ankle really is lingering and that he and the Colts will make nice, he'll play, and this season will be the measuring stick for a potential (reasonable) extension.

If he plays well but the extension he wants still scares the Colts, franchise him and then the only way to lose him is to get the two 1st-rounders.

CletusPyle 08-15-2023 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 271188)
So I guess the rumor now is that Taylor left the team to get stem cell treatment. It's honestly the first plausible explanation for leaving the team and I feel like a dummy for not considering it.

As things go on, with him leaving for a few days and the recent signings by fellow RB's seemingly putting the writing on the wall... I become more steadfast in my belief that Taylor's ankle really is lingering and that he and the Colts will make nice, he'll play, and this season will be the measuring stick for a potential (reasonable) extension.

If he plays well but the extension he wants still scares the Colts, franchise him and then the only way to lose him is to get the two 1st-rounders.

I hope you're right, but Taylor did a lot of damage, to his relationship with the Colts and the fans....but both would be healed pretty quickly if JT can have a successful season and accept his new role!


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