There is no benefit to firing a GM mid-season.

I hope others watched the interview. And a thread will start to talk about the questions and answers

I will say this.

We officially have the best looking coach in the NFL....Jeff Saturday is a pretty man!

Dude, I am in a good spot. The man was just not a good coach. He did so many things that disrupted the flow of his team. He had no ability to ride the wave- he disrupted the wave.

I don't think Saturday is a long term play and is just there to provide energy and evaluation until the blood letting at the end of the year. I do expect us to look like a more cohesive team the next few weeks, but I expect us to lose a LOT of games through the end of the year- which is actually a GOOD thing.

My next gripe is if Ballard is running this thing after the season- he is just as trash as Frank.

I posted my thoughts much earlier in the day BTW.

All this crap about how this has never happened before (firing a guy in season and replacing him with a guy with zero coaching experience) is bullshit. Irsay’s daddy did the same thing with Howard Schnellengerger (sp?). Fired him in the locker room if I remember correct back in the 70’s and replaced him with Joe Thomas-the GM who had only coached high school. Not saying that worked out well but it has happened before. Now we are those Colts. We won’t win big as long as Jim is calling the shots, unless we get incredibly lucky again at QB again.

There might be more examples besides Norm Van Brocklin, but Joe Thomas is not one of them.

Joe Thomas had prior coaching experience - in college, the CFL and the NFL - although nearly 20 years had passed since his previous coaching assignment at those levels.

See below:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/ThomJo0.htm

Robert Irsay is not a guy I want him to emulate. Even Jim has said he didn’t want to emulate his father’s rashness.

Now Jim Irsay is becoming his father? I don’t think that's the case. These actions all make perfect sense if you view them through the lens of Irsay wanting to secure a Top 5 draft pick in 2023. He must really believe in Bryce Young or C.J. Stroud.

So this may not be quite as unprecedented as some believe.

It so happens that Bart Starr was the Packers HC from 1975 to 1983 with only 1 year of QB coaching experience in the NFL in 1972.

He was also the Packers GM from 1975 to 1980 as well, with no prior experience as an executive either.

It's interesting. Although the league was a lot different then. I don't know how precedented it is... I just know it's pretty fucking strange.

Take this with a huge grain of salt because it is written by Jason La Canfora who is not always the most reliable source of info (I think at times that he will write about rumors he hears without taking much time to verify them).

However, he is reporting the Colts locker room is not happy - both the remaining coaching staff and players.

Lots of players want out now.

That the reason why Parks Frazier is the play caller is because other members of the staff turned down the job.

Jeff Saturday may have his work cut out for him in winning over the locker room.

Link to article with a few excerpts below:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...aturday-colts/

None of that surprises me at all. Jim sabotaged this team for years to come with this bullshit. No one will want to play or coach here now.

This is an absolute disaster.

If that is true (coaches and players not happy) fuck them. So I am to assume they were happy as pigs in shit Monday before he fired Frank and are upset because things were going so well and they had done such a good job that firing Frank was such a surprise? They think that they deserve the money they are stealing from Irsay and should not have consequences to their absolute shit play and coaching? The only people they should be unhappy with is themselves,

Exactly I’m guessing the defensive guys are fine with this they’ve been working 3 times as hard as the offense just trying to keep them bums in the game. Fuck them, how about get a fuckin first down score some fuckin points stop getting manhandled fuckin 40mil fuck you

If only the players would've been just as pissed about losing and getting their asses kicked in the process, then maybe this would not have happened.

There will be a mass exodus in the off season, coaches and players both. I wonder if any players will refuse to play in the next eight weeks.

well, the coaches were largely going to be let go. any new HC would want to pick his staff.

players are under contract.....so show up if you want to get paid. their attitude may be the problem.

Yep, coaches for sure. Some of the veterans may ask out as well.

But hiring Saturday was a slap in the face to every other coach in the league.

Because they think we are tanking. They don't want to tank. You can't tell a bunch of type A's to take it easy. Oh and we might draft your replacement.

Coaches come and go, players are under contract. This isnt the NBA, if they dont like what happened, their lack of effort on the field is how the team got to where it is

Heh if there was a Manning in this class, but the best QB is 5'11 and 170 lbs. Gonna suck for a dwarf.

Fuck them.
Jeff was here winning a Superbowl when they were shitting green.
Get onboard or get out.

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Podcast in Chicago.

An NFL team is in complete, comedic chaos ... and it's not the Bears!


Similarities of owner decisions reminds then of Reinsdorf who owns the White Sox.

Also the problem with hiring popular former players is fans hate them as coach and forget the great player they were.

Sucks for me as a White Sox fan and Colts fan.

Might as well have Bob Irsay running the team. That was when I also stopped being a Colts fan.

How long will it be that fans will want Irsay to sell the team.

It's starting to become time that JIM does transition the power to one of his daughters.

Is that what you would do if you owned the team?

I can think of a couple of somewhat similar circumstances, albeit not head coaching situations. Unfortunately, neither worked out particularly well

Mike Mayock - Took over the Raiders GM position several seasons ago after a long broadcasting career. Fired earlier this year.

Bo Schembechler - Became president of MLB's Detroit Tigers in 1990, after a long college football coaching career. Fired two years later.

Not sure what all of this means, other than there have been a few situations where pro teams have brought in outsiders into important positions without any direct prior experience.

Agree that it looks like a disaster. I hope it won't screw things up in the future, but it certainly could. Up until recently, Irsay has been unfailing loyal and patient with the guys he's hired, but this year he's been put in an extreme situation. And if the Saturday hiring works out well somehow, I suspect all will be forgiven (though it may encourage Irsay meddling in the future).

Yes I would. I'm not talking giving either of them full control right now. But eventually they are going to have to learn to run this business.

Yeah, it has happened more often for GM roles.

Matt Millen is another example for GM's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Millen

Yeah, I remember a few inexperienced hires. I think what distinguishes our circumstance is that this is A.) a mid-season interim situation and B.) this is a head coach who is more directly involved with the players, coaches, staff rather than a FO guy. Four days before he'll lead an NFL team on the sidelines, he still hadn't met everybody. It's funny to think about.

Hoping for the best short and long term. But still being realistic about how goofy this whole thing is.

or they could just sell it

Yep, excellent GM example.

Yep. I've been though this since 2018. I hope Jeff doesn't ruin his legacy, but it's a risk. At least it's only eight games and not an entire season or two. It's a huge risk if he's hired full time next season.

I worry that under saturday they will look marginally better and get 2 wins, 1 being the last game against the texans who suck and will be looking to lock up the first pick. This will inspire irsay to hire saturday as full HC (after the obligitory interviews) and we will be mediocre or suck for the next several years.

Washington Post? LOL, wonder if Daniel Snyder wrote this article? :D

If the remaining players or coaches are pissed about what has happened, they need to go look in a mirror, because they are a big part of this failure.

Nelson said it, his poor play was part of of the total team failure. Frank couldnt play for them. If anyone can get this O line sorted out, Saturday may have the best skills to coach them up and ass kick some success out of them

More and more I think this is a 2 fold thing.

1- Saturday's primary role- report back to Irsay which dudes want to play football and which dudes just care about the cash. Those on the cash end of that report, see ya at the end of the season.

2- Saturday auditioning for Ballard's job. I don't think there's any chance Ballard is back so if Saturday demonstrates he can work the personnel end of this- he moves to GM and Jim goes after some high profile coach and it would not surprise me if Harbaugh's name emerges as a front runner. I think Jim is going to go full in on getting more of an old school, lunch pale persona in place. F-k analytics, f-k gimmicks, tape it up and go out there and play with heart. I think that's what he wants to get back to his team.

So Grigson -Pagano 2.0.

I agree about Saturday being more a GM type than a coach, the same thing did cross my mind. I know a lot of people don't like Harbaugh, personally I love the guy and would love to see him come to Indy...unfortunately he seems pretty happy at Michigan now!