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JAFF 03-12-2022 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 225683)
I get nervous seeing highly drafted QB's bouncing from team to team in short time spans. Despite what prognosticators are saying, there is a reason these guys can't take up roots somewhere. We are in QB purgatory and there are no can't miss prospects coming in the near future of the draft. This franchise has definitely been spoiled with QB's in its history. Some teams are lucky to have a once a generation talent, and the Colts have had 3, Unitas, Manning and Luck. Would have had 4 had Bert Jones not get hit with injuries.
I get what you are saying. From where I sit, Turbisky had trouble playing on a screwed up team. In Buffalo, he was productive. He may not have too many bad habits to be coached out of him. If you hit with him, looking is over. Miss with him, well back to the drawing board. Grappalo et al will need to be replaced in 2 years, and they are back on this treadmill.

Turbisky at least has a shot at a future. Get some “old” guy, they are back on the future Qb merry go round.

Racehorse 03-12-2022 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 225670)
I've only seen a couple guys bring up Matt Ryan. I don't follow ATL much so I don't know where they're at as a team other than four straight losing seasons. I just read they dropped Ryan's cap hit down to $37m. That's still a motherfucker but I think it gives them $15m or so of space.

He'll be 37. Anybody know if there's word on how much longer he wants to play? Going by Ballard's talk about being tired of "band-aids", I assume Ryan must be lower on the list.

He always has good stats, but the team doesn't win much. Only two winning seasons in the past 9 (I don't know how much of that is him). Even his stats took a hit this year. An extra game and he didn't crack 4000yds and barely hit 20tds. Anybody have some insight?
My son and I were talking about him, and he says his arm is dead.

apballin 03-12-2022 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 225693)
I would take Minshew over most on that list. I would take Armstead any fucking day of the week over any QB on the list. Hell the line getting back to it once was with a stud LT and it won't matter a lot who is back there throwing it, he will have time to read a book.
That’s where I’m at with it at this point if a high price QB cost us Armstead fuck it I’d rather have Armstead with Winston, trubisky, or Minshew as opposed to

Garapolo, cousin, any other high price vet with Fischer or some average LT

That’s if Armstead even wants to play here

Dewey 5 03-12-2022 10:45 PM
Bite the bullet & go with Ehlinger & look to the 2023 draft. No trading picks for some reclamation project.

IndyNorm 03-13-2022 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 225708)
Bite the bullet & go with Ehlinger & look to the 2023 draft. No trading picks for some reclamation project.
The problem is that unless we land the next Mahomes/Burrow/Herbert then we're looking at best case being competitive in ~'25 which will waste the prime years of our top players.

Although in the long run if we do end up landing a franchise QB in '23 then it's probably worth it. And replacing Wentz's production in the 2nd half of the season shouldn't be too difficult, so maybe Ehlinger is up to the task.

apballin 03-13-2022 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 225717)
The problem is that unless we land the next Mahomes/Burrow/Herbert then we're looking at best case being competitive in ~'25 which will waste the prime years of our top players.

Although in the long run if we do end up landing a franchise QB in '23 then it's probably worth it. And replacing Wentz's production in the 2nd half of the season shouldn't be too difficult, so maybe Ehlinger is up to the task.
Alright fuck it….

Get Armstead and sign Mariota he’s only 28 and I’m sure he’d love to kick the Titans ass twice a year. Reich may have to get creative with the offense but who cares

Brylok 03-13-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 225717)
..and replacing Wentz's production in the 2nd half of the season shouldn't be too difficult, so maybe Ehlinger is up to the task.
That's one way to get the #1 pick. I'd be stunned if Ehlinger won one game as a starter. I've also seen reports that no QB in the upcoming draft is even worthy of a first round pick. I think we're screwed.

JAFF 03-13-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 225718)
Alright fuck it….

Get Armstead and sign Mariota he’s only 28 and I’m sure he’d love to kick the Titans ass twice a year. Reich may have to get creative with the offense but who cares
If Reich could play call any Qb into a MVP we would still have Wentz. Mariota cant beat out Ryan Tannehill.

Go get Turbisky. All it will cost is money. No draft picks, no trading talent away. If it works, great. If it fails you are are still out on lost talent and lost draft picks

apballin 03-13-2022 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 225723)
If Reich could play call any Qb into a MVP we would still have Wentz. Mariota cant beat out Ryan Tannehill.

Go get Turbisky. All it will cost is money. No draft picks, no trading talent away. If it works, great. If it fails you are are still out on lost talent and lost draft picks
Trubisky is going to the Giants with the Bills OC

I like the familiarity angle, Mariota was nearly ruined by the Titans they changed coaches and OC for like his first 4 years then gets the axe because of Tannehill

Now he’s been in the AFC west for 2 years so he’s familiar with that division as well

He’s still a hell of a threat with his legs, he stayed ready didn’t complain at any point in his career

Played with Buckner at Oregon

JAFF 03-13-2022 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 225725)
Trubisky is going to the Giants with the Bills OC

I like the familiarity angle, Mariota was nearly ruined by the Titans they changed coaches and OC for like his first 4 years then gets the axe because of Tannehill

Now he’s been in the AFC west for 2 years so he’s familiar with that division as well

He’s still a hell of a threat with his legs, he stayed ready didn’t complain at any point in his career

Played with Buckner at Oregon
Has he signed a contract? Would he rather play behind our line with Taylor or the Giants line?

Oldcolt 03-13-2022 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 225725)
Trubisky is going to the Giants with the Bills OC

I like the familiarity angle, Mariota was nearly ruined by the Titans they changed coaches and OC for like his first 4 years then gets the axe because of Tannehill

Now he’s been in the AFC west for 2 years so he’s familiar with that division as well

He’s still a hell of a threat with his legs, he stayed ready didn’t complain at any point in his career

Played with Buckner at Oregon
Trubisky ain't going to the Giants if we want him. They have cap issues for one so there will be zero issues out bidding them. He has been very focused on turning his career around (a career that includes a winning 29-21 record with a team that lost before him and lost after him) and who better than Reich to take him to the next step. Every QB he has in the last 5 years has improved with him. Many people think if he were in this draft he would be the first QB taken.

I'm not against Mariota. He has been injury prone and doesn't have a strong arm. He is way better than Wentz in every way except arm strength. I hope we go the Mariota/Trubinsky route rather than one of the older players.

IndyNorm 03-13-2022 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 225722)
That's one way to get the #1 pick. I'd be stunned if Ehlinger won one game as a starter. I've also seen reports that no QB in the upcoming draft is even worthy of a first round pick. I think we're screwed.
You're probably right about Ehlinger, but the point remains that Wentz's production for the last 8 games won't be hard to replace: 61% completion rate (surprised it was that high), 171 yards/game, 6.3 yards/attempt, 1.25 tds/game, .5 ints/game. All of that while teams were stacking the box trying to stop JT and daring us to throw the ball.

Brylok 03-13-2022 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 225732)
You're probably right about Ehlinger, but the point remains that Wentz's production for the last 8 games won't be hard to replace: 61% completion rate (surprised it was that high), 171 yards/game, 6.3 yards/attempt, 1.25 tds/game, .5 ints/game. All of that while teams were stacking the box trying to stop JT and daring us to throw the ball.
Bring on Mitch I guess. I've seen enough of Mariota to last a lifetime. What a world...

CletusPyle 03-13-2022 02:01 PM
This from Rich Eisen 3 days ago, Colts may be willing to go all in for Derek Carr...I still think it is possible!

It comes just a day after Eisen himself said as follows on his own show, “I’m not making it up. I’ll just tell you stuff that I heard. In Indianapolis, they’re going to try and maybe go YOLO for Derek Carr.”

Dewey 5 03-13-2022 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 225739)
This from Rich Eisen 3 days ago, Colts may be willing to go all in for Derek Carr...I still think it is possible!

It comes just a day after Eisen himself said as follows on his own show, “I’m not making it up. I’ll just tell you stuff that I heard. In Indianapolis, they’re going to try and maybe go YOLO for Derek Carr.”
That would be dumb.

Oldcolt 03-13-2022 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 225739)
This from Rich Eisen 3 days ago, Colts may be willing to go all in for Derek Carr...I still think it is possible!

It comes just a day after Eisen himself said as follows on his own show, “I’m not making it up. I’ll just tell you stuff that I heard. In Indianapolis, they’re going to try and maybe go YOLO for Derek Carr.”
Why? So we would have the 8th best QB in the playoffs? If he wouldn't cost a fortune in draft choices maybe, but this team has to many needs to be giving multiple draft choices for anything less than a Luck/Rogers type

JAFF 03-13-2022 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 225747)
Why? So we would have the 8th best QB in the playoffs? If he wouldn't cost a fortune in draft choices maybe, but this team has to many needs to be giving multiple draft choices for anything less than a Luck/Rogers type
Stop with the logic

rm1369 03-13-2022 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 225747)
Why? So we would have the 8th best QB in the playoffs? If he wouldn't cost a fortune in draft choices maybe, but this team has to many needs to be giving multiple draft choices for anything less than a Luck/Rogers type
If you think the roster is so far away only a superstar QB makes sense, do you think Ballard has done a great job?

rcubed 03-13-2022 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 225739)
This from Rich Eisen 3 days ago, Colts may be willing to go all in for Derek Carr...I still think it is possible!

It comes just a day after Eisen himself said as follows on his own show, “I’m not making it up. I’ll just tell you stuff that I heard. In Indianapolis, they’re going to try and maybe go YOLO for Derek Carr.”

One year too late. Yolo attitude should have been used to get stafford.


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rm1369 03-13-2022 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 225752)
One year too late. Yolo attitude should have been used to get stafford.


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Agreed. I’m not sure I buy it, but if that attitude is there it’s only because Irsay is forcing it now after another mediocre season.

smitty46953 03-13-2022 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 225738)
I've seen enough of Mariota to last a lifetime. What a world...
I agree, Remember the Titans ? LOL No thanks :eek:

Oldcolt 03-13-2022 06:55 PM
My biggest concern with Mariota is that he is a running QB with a history of injuries. Not ideal for long term success.

apballin 03-13-2022 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 225761)
I agree, Remember the Titans ? LOL No thanks :eek:
He had a different OC every year

He can still play

I like the element he brings with his legs

Puck 03-13-2022 07:49 PM
Cousins is out. Signed an extension

Brady is back with TB. So thats one less looking for a QB

Chromeburn 03-13-2022 09:00 PM
I think we go vet and draft. They won’t trade Carr so likely Mariota then Corral, Ridder, Howell in the draft.

Puck 03-13-2022 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 225773)
I think we go vet and draft. They won’t trade Carr so likely Mariota then Corral, Ridder, Howell in the draft.
Mariota = Ridder

Anyone else see the comp?

Could it be both Mariota and Ridder this yr?

apballin 03-13-2022 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 225774)
Mariota = Ridder

Anyone else see the comp?

Could it be both Mariota and Ridder this yr?
I could see that

If Mariota gets hurt we’d have a young Mariota to fill in

Dam8610 03-14-2022 08:57 AM
Why is no one interested in Winston? Especially the people interested in Trubisky.

Dam8610 03-14-2022 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 225773)
I think we go vet and draft. They won’t trade Carr so likely Mariota then Corral, Ridder, Howell in the draft.
If they draft Howell thinking he'll be a starter, the Colts are in for a long period of bad QB play. He's too erratic and plays hero ball too much. It's telling that North Carolina was projected to be in the national title picture because they had Howell for the last 2 years in the preseason and they never even came close to living up to that hype.

rm1369 03-14-2022 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 225793)
Why is no one interested in Winston? Especially the people interested in Trubisky.
I see Winston as one of the viable stop gap options. He just doesn’t make me terribly excited. But then neither do Mariota or Trubinsky.

apballin 03-14-2022 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 225793)
Why is no one interested in Winston? Especially the people interested in Trubisky.
Winston is too similar to Wentz IMO as far as playing style (holding the goddam ball)

Lov2fish 03-14-2022 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 225807)
Winston is too similar to Wentz IMO as far as playing style (holding the goddam ball)
Yes sir. Has a beautiful ball when he finally turns the fucking thing loose.

rcubed 03-14-2022 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 225806)
I see Winston as one of the viable stop gap options. He just doesn’t make me terribly excited. But then neither do Mariota or Trubinsky.
same. I am in the camp for stop-gap 2 year QB while drafting next year. There is no difference maker available and I am not interested in trading more picks for a mediocre QB. this years draft sucks from what I have read, so bide time.

I heard on DP show this morning the analogy to what KC did when reid came in. Reid didnt really like anyone available so they got alex smith and waited with him until they could draft their future.

smitty46953 03-14-2022 12:57 PM
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Mitch Trubisky is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source.

:cool:

Brylok 03-14-2022 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 225834)
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Mitch Trubisky is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source.

:cool:
Well, there went my guess. We're going to be stuck watching Mariota and Ehlinger aren't we? Smh

rcubed 03-14-2022 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 225834)
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Mitch Trubisky is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source.

:cool:
could help bring down the cost of jimmy g if we go that route.

Racehorse 03-14-2022 02:18 PM
Bridgewater might be a good bridge QB

Dewey 5 03-14-2022 02:34 PM
Ehlinger then 2023 draft. It’s not like Colts are going to the super bowl with a qb off the scrap pile anyway.

njcoltfan 03-14-2022 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 225820)
same. I am in the camp for stop-gap 2 year QB while drafting next year. There is no difference maker available and I am not interested in trading more picks for a mediocre QB. this years draft sucks from what I have read, so bide time.

I heard on DP show this morning the analogy to what KC did when reid came in. Reid didnt really like anyone available so they got alex smith and waited with him until they could draft their future.
Using that formula the Colts will have their QB when, 2026, maybe 2025 ?? Just in time to start the rebuild all over again ! Ballard should target a guy that could be the guy, and go balls to the wall to try to get him ( to be honest I have no idea who that could be ), he can't just keep kicking the can down the road year after year

Dam8610 03-14-2022 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 225806)
I see Winston as one of the viable stop gap options. He just doesn’t make me terribly excited. But then neither do Mariota or Trubinsky.
Winston is more exciting than the other two.

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 225834)
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Mitch Trubisky is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source.

:cool:
Glad that's off the board.

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 225849)
Bridgewater might be a good bridge QB
If you're punting 2022.


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