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Oldcolt 01-27-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185404)
I just have a feeling that he might want to negotiate his final contract, with whoever winds up getting him.

It looks more and more like it may take more than a number one to get him. If you go that route you might as well go all in with Stafford. You've already committed a lot of resources so why hedge your bets? If that is really the case Ballard better be damn sure he is the one. I have trust that Ballard will not make an emotional decision.

Dam8610 01-27-2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185404)
I just have a feeling that he might want to negotiate his final contract, with whoever winds up getting him.

Why would that involve his 2021 cap hit increasing?

Dam8610 01-29-2021 09:50 AM

Any possibility that Jameis Winston could be a Colts target? I know he was a turnover machine in Tampa, but Reich has a reputation for fixing talented QBs, Winston's talent is undeniable, he's only 27, and likely won't cost starter money. The answer is likely no, but it's an intriguing possibility.

apballin 01-29-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185571)
Any possibility that Jameis Winston could be a Colts target? I know he was a turnover machine in Tampa, but Reich has a reputation for fixing talented QBs, Winston's talent is undeniable, he's only 27, and likely won't cost starter money. The answer is likely no, but it's an intriguing possibility.

I just can’t see it, Colts seem to only want good guys on and off the field

rcubed 01-29-2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185571)
Any possibility that Jameis Winston could be a Colts target? I know he was a turnover machine in Tampa, but Reich has a reputation for fixing talented QBs, Winston's talent is undeniable, he's only 27, and likely won't cost starter money. The answer is likely no, but it's an intriguing possibility.

not intriguing

Dewey 5 01-31-2021 12:06 AM

Not sure how feel about this but there is no way they move up to get Fields anyway.
https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/1/...-top-prospects

Chromeburn 01-31-2021 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 185726)
Not sure how feel about this but there is no way they move up to get Fields anyway.
https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/1/...-top-prospects

I’m a little wary about Fields bc he sometimes takes too long to diagnose. He is talented though and when on he is deadly.

Dam8610 01-31-2021 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185728)
I’m a little wary about Fields bc he sometimes takes too long to diagnose.

Exactly. He holds the ball like Big Ben used to, he doesn't have the size of Big Ben to absorb the punishment that can cause, but he does have the athleticism to escape and make plays. I'd be thrilled if the Colts somehow got him, and I'd trust Ballard and Reich to make him a great QB, but part of me also sees this as a smokescreen. I can't imagine Ballard and Reich not liking at least one of Zach Wilson and Mac Jones.

Maniac 01-31-2021 08:17 AM

Go after either Rodgers or Jordan Love now that Stafford is not an option.

HoosierinFL 01-31-2021 08:36 AM

NO Ohio state players!

JAFF 01-31-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184658)
If Dak Prescott actually makes it to free agency, he'd be worth a look, but I doubt he will. Stafford or Wentz would require a trade, Ryan might. If they're willing to invest the 21st pick in a QB, I'd go for Mac Jones and bring in a journeyman as competition. I think Jones is the most NFL ready in this draft, though.

Sam Darnold lite

JAFF 01-31-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 185371)
I just think that he's going to want to renegotiate his present contract, he also knows that 14m is unbelievably low for a franchise QB.

Stop making sense.

JAFF 01-31-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185377)
His cap hit with the Lions is $33 million. He was already playing on a $14 million base salary this year. If he came here, why would he want to hurt the Colts ability to put the best team around him?

Because this is his LAST contract and last chance of maximizing his earning potential. What did the colts pay rivers this last year $25 million? And he’s going to settle for less?

Stop living in fantasy land and join the real world. This is about playing football and getting paid and if you’re going to risk your ass you might as well get paid well

Mr. Session 01-31-2021 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 184658)
If Dak Prescott actually makes it to free agency, he'd be worth a look, but I doubt he will. Stafford or Wentz would require a trade, Ryan might. If they're willing to invest the 21st pick in a QB, I'd go for Mac Jones and bring in a journeyman as competition. I think Jones is the most NFL ready in this draft, though.

Yeah. What a stud.

https://i.redd.it/jkwghxlssoe61.jpg

Dam8610 01-31-2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185746)
Because this is his LAST contract and last chance of maximizing his earning potential. What did the colts pay rivers this last year $25 million? And he’s going to settle for less?

Stop living in fantasy land and join the real world. This is about playing football and getting paid and if you’re going to risk your ass you might as well get paid well

Contract extensions typically involve adding years to a deal, and those years typically have all the new/big money, plus part of the appeal of Stafford would've been having a franchise caliber QB at a bargain cap hit while the pandemic is affecting the cap.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185763)

If he's able to do what he does on the field in that kind of shape, getting him in an NFL strength and conditioning program will be even more advantageous than I'd originally thought. Obviously workout bonuses should be negotiated into the contract.

JAFF 01-31-2021 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185765)
Contract extensions typically involve adding years to a deal, and those years typically have all the new/big money, plus part of the appeal of Stafford would've been having a franchise caliber QB at a bargain cap hit while the pandemic is affecting the cap.



If he's able to do what he does on the field in that kind of shape, getting him in an NFL strength and conditioning program will be even more advantageous than I'd originally thought. Obviously workout bonuses should be negotiated into the contract.

If wishes were horses beggers would ride. What the ? Is keeping him from getting in shape right now?

Dam8610 01-31-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185770)
If wishes were horses beggers would ride. What the ? Is keeping him from getting in shape right now?

My guess is the 4.0 GPA and Master's degree in 4 years while being the starting QB on the best team in college football for 1.5 years of that.

Chromeburn 01-31-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185763)

Jesus. I know QBs can be kinda divas when it comes to lifting. But do push-ups and crunches at least. I’m in better shape than he is.

JAFF 01-31-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185771)
My guess is the 4.0 GPA and Master's degree in 4 years while being the starting QB on the best team in college football for 1.5 years of that.

Manning did that and didnt look like a fat frat boy

Puck 01-31-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 185740)
Go after either Rodgers or Jordan Love now that Stafford is not an option.

Jordan love sucks dude. Rogers has some bargaining power with anything he does otherwise he can just tell the Packers. I'll retire and you have Jordan. The Pack knows that they are in a horrible situation if Rogers retires, sits, asks for a trade etc. They will be fucked with Love at QB.

Maniac 01-31-2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 185775)
Jordan love sucks dude. Rogers has some bargaining power with anything he does otherwise he can just tell the Packers. I'll retire and you have Jordan. The Pack knows that they are in a horrible situation if Rogers retires, sits, asks for a trade etc. They will be fucked with Love at QB.

How do you know he sucks? Have you seen him play in the NFL?

There was a rumor that Ballard contacted the Packers about Jordan Love's availability. Either the rumor was wrong, or Ballard doesn't agree with you that he sucks.

apballin 01-31-2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 185778)
How do you know he sucks? Have you seen him play in the NFL?

There was a rumor that Ballard contacted the Packers about Jordan Love's availability. Either the rumor was wrong, or Ballard doesn't agree with you that he sucks.

Yea no way you can say he sucks

apballin 01-31-2021 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185763)

Not putting stock into how the dudes built, not many qbs are “chiseled” and usually the ones that are suck

Chromeburn 01-31-2021 05:07 PM

So Goff and Stafford are settled.

Now that leaves the draft, FA and the QB's affected.

Jets - Darnold
Dolphins - Tua
Falcons - Matt Ryan
Eagles - Wentz and Hurts

Then you got Dak, Jacoby, Winston

And draft picks Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, Jones, Trask

Dam8610 01-31-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 185774)
Manning did that and didnt look like a fat frat boy

Manning got a Bachelor's in 3 years. Impressive, but not the same thing. Also, that would've given him the entire fourth year to focus on strength and conditioning, instead of getting a Master's degree while starting the entire season.

apballin 01-31-2021 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185781)
So Goff and Stafford are settled.

Now that leaves the draft, FA and the QB's affected.

Jets - Darnold
Dolphins - Tua
Falcons - Matt Ryan
Eagles - Wentz and Hurts

Then you got Dak, Jacoby, Winston

And draft picks Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, Jones, Trask

Of all those listed I’m most intrigued by Trey Lance, other then that just roll with Eason and spend $$ on d-line and skill positions WR/TE

smitty46953 01-31-2021 05:41 PM

Just a thought, Matt Rhule just coached in the senior bowl. Panthers have the 8th pick and could go with a QB perhaps making Teddy Bridgewater available? Any thoughts on him? :cool:

TheMugwump 01-31-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185763)

Not saying the kid's a Brady, and really not taking sides, but at least he was happy looking compared to this dud.

https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bos...EUBQ3NKZXA.jpg

Mr. Session 01-31-2021 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185780)
Not putting stock into how the dudes built, not many qbs are “chiseled” and usually the ones that are suck

Nah, Fuck that

https://sportsfromthecheapseats.file..._shirtless.jpg

https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Y'all need more gay porn or are we good?

Ironshaft 01-31-2021 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 185784)
Just a thought, Matt Rhule just coached in the senior bowl. Panthers have the 8th pick and could go with a QB perhaps making Teddy Bridgewater available? Any thoughts on him? :cool:

My feeling is that there are no "sure fire" long-term solutions at QB for the Colts this season.

I don't think drafting a rookie is in the cards because Ballard seems more in a "win now" type of situation than waiting 1 or 3 years for a rookie QB to develop.

My guess is that we are going to get one of the long-term starters veterans that will not cost us draft picks to get: Cam Newton, Mitch Trubisky, Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston.

I don't know that Bridgewater is any better than those guys and would cost us a draft pick to get.

A 1 or 2 season bridge to either Easton being ready to be the starter or the Colts are in a better position to find a longer term solution.

Or...a new system actually works for the underappreciated veteran.

Of course, if Dak Prescott actually makes it to free agency.....but he will not.

Mr. Session 01-31-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 185789)
My feeling is that there are no "sure fire" long-term solutions at QB for the Colts this season.

I don't think drafting a rookie is in the cards because Ballard seems more in a "win now" type of situation than waiting 1 or 3 years for a rookie QB to develop.

My guess is that we are going to get one of the long-term starters veterans that will not cost us draft picks to get: Cam Newton, Mitch Trubisky, Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston.

I don't know that Bridgewater is any better than those guys and would cost us a draft pick to get.

A 1 or 2 season bridge to either Easton being ready to be the starter or the Colts are in a better position to find a longer term solution.

Or...a new system actually works for the underappreciated veteran.

Of course, if Dak Prescott actually makes it to free agency.....but he will not.

I'm thinking it's like YDFL said. Dalton...

Maybe Winston. I can't see Trubisky and I think Newton is done.

Bring them in and let them compete with Eason this year for the job. Evaluate Eason after the season and restart the process.

Dam8610 01-31-2021 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 185784)
Just a thought, Matt Rhule just coached in the senior bowl. Panthers have the 8th pick and could go with a QB perhaps making Teddy Bridgewater available? Any thoughts on him? :cool:

If the price is right, he's a good bridge to a QB solution.

Chromeburn 01-31-2021 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 185778)
How do you know he sucks? Have you seen him play in the NFL?

There was a rumor that Ballard contacted the Packers about Jordan Love's availability. Either the rumor was wrong, or Ballard doesn't agree with you that he sucks.

I think that started with Dan Dakich who likes to troll the Colts, Ballard, and Colt fans. Also he likes Grigson and thinks he got shafted by a political Pagano and was better than people think. So I don’t know if I believe that rumor.

njcoltfan 01-31-2021 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185791)
If the price is right, he's a good bridge to a QB solution.

It's time the Colts stop fucking around with the QB position !!! If theres a guy that Ballard thinks is the next franchise QB in this years draft, than do what it takes to get him !!! The clocks ticking....tick tock tick tock......

apballin 01-31-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 185787)

I’ll give you Luck but I’m calling BS That had to be a photo from high school on Manning. I’d say luck was the exception to that rule. Of all 32 starters who is really ripped like that?

apballin 01-31-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 185791)
If the price is right, he's a good bridge to a QB solution.

I’d take Walker over Bridewater

Colts And Orioles 01-31-2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 185100)
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A) ) I was hoping that Rodgers and the Packers were able to repeat what Manning and the 2006 Colts did 14 years ago.

B) ) Tough break for the Packers on the pass interference call late in the 4th quarter which gave the Buccaneers a 1st down, instead of them being forced to punt.

C) ) The Packers getting burned for a 49-yard TD pass when the Buccaneers had no timeouts and only 8 seconds left to play in the 1st half was inexcusable ...... it was on par with the 2012 Denver Broncos coughing up the game-tying, 70-yard TD pass when the Ravens had no timeouts and only 30 seconds left to play in the 4th quarter of that season's divisional playoff game. That gaffe cost Peyton Manning a chance to beat Brady in yet another conference championship game (Manning's teams were 3-1 in such games against Brady's teams when Manning retired), and what very well may have been a 3rd Super Bowl ring (in addition to the one that he won 6 years earlier, and the 2nd one that he won 3 years later.)

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 185181)
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The only way that they would have gotten a field goal there is with an incomplete pass, and then the kicker makes a 66-yarder ...... IF the defense had been playing what anybody who is not acting like they live on Mars had had them playing.

The Buccaneers had no timeouts, and there were only 8 seconds left to play in the half. The Packers should have had 9 defensive backs on the field, and they literally should have positioned 6 of them on the sidelines, 5 yards apart from the line of scrimmage at the 44 yardline, the 39 yardline, and the 34 yardline ........ that would have prevented a quick, sideline pass which (if successful) would have given the Buccaneers a chance for a closer field goal attempt. The remaining 3 defensive backs should have been positioned in the middle of the field at the 5 yardline. They could have given Brady and the Buccaneers ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED in the middle of the field, because they had 0 timeouts and there were only 8 seconds left to play. That means that they would have had no chance to spike the ball after being tackled in-bounds. It would not have mattered if Brady had hit a receiver 10 yards downfield, 20 yards downfield, or even 30 yards downfield, because in all 3 of those situations the receiver would have been tackled in-bounds to end the half.

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Packers Parting Ways with Defensive Coordinator Mike Pettine

(By Ryan Wood)

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...ne/4292184001/

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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 01-31-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 185778)
How do you know he sucks? Have you seen him play in the NFL?

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185779)
Yea no way you can say he sucks

There were plenty of reports that Jordan Love had a terrible training camp. He showed a few flashes of potential, but more often than not, he left everyone wondering - Why did GB trade up to draft him in the first round? He didn't look like a first round QB in practice.

Does that mean he is a bust? There is no way to know at this point in time. Especially with COVID-19 impacting practices during preseason camp and during the regular season this past year.

Love's season was nearly identical to Eason's. He was Green Bay's QB3 and didn't see much practice time this year.

When everyone was speculating about Rodgers future - the article below mentioned that if Rodgers left, Tim Boyle (their back-up QB) would be more suited to start games next year than Love. Hopefully Love learned what it takes to be a NFL QB and has determined what he needs to work on this offseason so that he is better prepared for next season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...lit-mean-sides

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Is Love ready?
Nothing he has shown, at least publicly, would suggest that. But that's no surprise given that he has taken third-string reps going all the way back to training camp. Reporters are allowed to watch only one period of individual or group drills during practices. But even during those viewing sessions, Love has struggled with accuracy -- in the drill where quarterbacks throw to a stationary target (usually a net) and to players running routes on air (without a defender).

Backup Tim Boyle would be more suited to play in 2021 than Love. There's also the possibility that the Packers could trade Love like the Patriots did with Jimmy Garoppolo. That would be one way to tell Rodgers they're committed to him long-term, and then they could try again with another quarterback in a future draft.

Mr. Session 01-31-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185796)
I’ll give you Luck but I’m calling BS That had to be a photo from high school on Manning. I’d say luck was the exception to that rule. Of all 32 starters who is really ripped like that?

I'm just bullshitting dude, relax.

lol.

Dam8610 01-31-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 185792)
I think that started with Dan Dakich who likes to troll the Colts, Ballard, and Colt fans. Also he likes Grigson and thinks he got shafted by a political Pagano and was better than people think. So I don’t know if I believe that rumor.

So Omaha is Dan Dakich?

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 185797)
I’d take Walker over Bridewater

You would've taken Brian Price over Ndamukong Suh, and that statement is similarly bad.

Anyway, back to the OP topic, I think Matt Ryan is the next domino and I think he's the best veteran option at this point. How much will he cost?


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