He performs above average when he has supporting talent. I don't think he elevates the play of the guys around him though like a Rogers or Luck. But I agree he is certainly not Bortles, just a slightly above average QB.

I like to think he has 65% the talent of Peyton Manning.

dude has red hair...

That's a very specific number. I'd rank him in the 15-20 range of starting QB's.

I would rate Dalton top 10... 15-20 puts him at the bottom of the top and top of the bottom. I think that is selling him a bit short. The 65% of Peyton Manning comment reflects his strong regular season record relative to his post season record, except with 35% less talent than Peyton.

All bullshit of course, but that's the town I live in.

I think there are at least 12 QBs who you'd definitely rather have than Dalton:

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Luck
Rivers
Roethlisburger
Wilson
Newton
Wentz
Ryan
Stafford
Goff

The only players I would say Dalton has a clear edge on are Bortles, Eli, and the rookies.

I’d throw Watson in there above also. Carr maybe and Jimmy G probably also

Patrick Mahomes and Alex Smith are both guys I would take over Dalton.

Mark my words, Mahomes is going to be a stud.

Yep

Soooo 15-20?

Anyway back to Nelson. I wanted Chubb, but with him gone I was resigned to it. I am happy he is doing well and seems like he will a good player. But oline is only as good as your weakest link. Still, spending high draft picks on oline May be the future of the league, especially with the seeming decline of oline play overall.