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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 322038)

I think Ballard wanted a guy to push AR, to compete with him. I don’t think they wanted a guy who was obviously better than AR, but a guy with talent who could at least conceivably take the job.

They still see AR as the future, they just want him to have to compete.

Thats just my opinion, based on what they’ve said and their actions.

That's fair, and also to be fair in theory we won't have to change the offense much if AR does get hurt. So in that regard the signing does make sense.

The Vikings wanted Jones back. The Vikings elevated Jones to the active roster for the playoffs. I don't know what that means, but it must mean something?

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 321925)

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.

If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.

It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.

Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

He wasn’t benched by the Giants because they thought that Lock or DeVito gave them a better chance to win. They pulled the plug on him because his 2025 salary of $25 Million was fully guaranteed for injury.

Beyond that, even though no one in the Giants organization would admit it, the move to bench Jones had more than a whiff of tanking.

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 321841)

Just saw a report we are finalizing a deal with Daniel Jones.

There was a brief stretch there when he actually played pretty well, I remember thinking that this guy is a lot better than I thought. I've also seen him play like crap, but the Giants are known to do that to players!

I hope AR is working his ass off!

AR needs to be the model pro this off season and turn up ready to go and lead this team. I fear though that he is just not a natural born leader, he is still very young.

In terms of leadership, it will be interesting to see just what Bortolini and Goncalves bring, as Kelly was a leader, and I am concerned that the unseen skills that he has might be missed more than just his on field production.

Nelson leads by example, but I don't get the impression that he is a natural communicator or someone who rallies the troops, same with Braden Smith.

So, a starting O-line of:

Raiman - Nelson - Bortolini - Goncalves - Smith

Primary backups of:

French
Pinter
Freeland

Other backups of:
Sills
Mafi
Tucker

Honestly, add at least one 2025 draft pick in the top 4 rounds to that group that has experience at both OG and OT and I am not displeased with that group at all.

Yeah, it is a lot to ask of two 2nd year players to start side-by-side but they have good help outside of them (Nelson and Smith) and I think a good O-Line coaching staff.

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 322062)

Ah. I didn't know about the injury clause in his contract. Makes sense that they would want to make sure he didn't get injured since they had decided to run him out of town.

I'm not so sure about the tanking though. For starters they were doing a damn good job of tanking w/ Jones in there, and also DeVito played much better than Jones in 2023.

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 322080)

I think we definitely need at least some OG depth, which could come from the draft as long as he is able to step in and play and isn't a project.

So, the general sentiment is that a player can't turn his career around in a new environment, with less pressure, better coaching, better supporting cast and a team that believes in him?

Tell that to Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 322151)

So, the general sentiment is that a player can't turn his career around in a new environment, with less pressure, better coaching, better supporting cast and a team that believes in him ???

Tell that to Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield.

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And Jim Plunkett.

I suspect that because the Colts have had only one good season since the retirement of Andrew Luck, many of their fans are skeptical in regard to the signings of players (particularly quarterbacks) that aren't regarded as a slam-dunk for success.

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