I disagreed with you in the beginning about Lawrence, but the more he plays the more I see it. Once defensive coordinators figured out his nuances and weaknesses he has digressed. So far Stroud has proven me wrong, but I'll wait to fully concede until about half way through next year. I want to see steady growth and progress before I eat to much crow.

The reason I’m still positive about Richardson for the most part is he is making the correct reads out there. Yeah he makes mistakes which is to be expected. But the majority of the time he knows where to go with the ball. That’s probably the hardest thing to learn to play. And don’t forget he’s the youngest QB in the league. The consistency in throwing can be taught and fixed. Every good Qb does it. But not all of them can figure out how to read defenses and make good decisions. So people are going to scream about accuracy and how it’s important and he can’t ever do it. But there are levels to QB play, and the physical mechanics are just one part. But to me, the mental part is the hardest to get and what separates QBs and that part looks promising.

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, what makes Peyton Manning the greatest quarterback that I ever saw play was his freakish, almost inhuman ability to read defenses and make adjustments/audibles at the line of scrimmage ...... if Manning had had those Patriots teams around him when he played, I believe that he would have made it to even more Super Bowls than Tom Brady did (Brady made it to 9 Super Bowls when he was with the Patriots.) When Brady and Manning were both still in their in their prime in 2013, the Broncos easily beat the Patriots in that year's AFC Championship game, and the same probably would have happened one year earlier in 2012 if the Broncos' defensive backs had not choked and whiffed on the 70-yard TD pass with 30 seconds left to play in the Mile High Miracle divisional playoff game in Denver.

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Brady consistently had top ten defenses. Peyton did not. I kinda think Brady turned into Peyton at the end of his career. That defense was frustrating because they needed a good DT to solidify it. They finally got one in booger and had him one year. If they had a good DT I think it would have helped that defense so much and led to more wins.

I’ll add to that it can’t be understated the pressure attached to being a #1 pick and expectations that come along automatically as opposed to a 6th round joke with nothing to lose.

100% agree. Don't think the game has or will ever see that kind of football mind again. His ability to instantly know what was about to happen was incredible. No one has ever been as prepared as he was. You hear stories of his demands to have film prepared of just his footwork and would study it for tells to see if he was tipping the D off at any point, constantly studying his form for inconsistencies, etc... just totally in command.

I remember during his rookie year I was telling a friend that he was heading toward being the best QB in the league in the next season (promise- AND I was a Leaf proponent coming out mind you) and was heavily ridiculed- taunted because of his interception count. I told him to come back to me in a couple years and I would smear his face in it. Late in that 2nd year, as we were just romping in game after game he said he was wrong and couldn't believe what Peyton was doing to defenses with his pre-snap reads and progressions. Most impressive he said was his ability to come right back after INT's as if they never happened- which was Peyton's calling card throughout his entire career.

Roughly 2004 / 2005 we were watching football again and he gave it up and said Peyton was the best QB of all time, and he was a steadfast Marino guy. Those 03' - 07' years were the most remarkable QB play this league has ever witnessed.

For those down on AR at this point, do not lose focus on the fact that what is probably the best pure QB of all time had a game with 6 INT's when he was already 4 years in the league.

If any of you of had a chance to watch the 22 replay, man... there's a lot of good stuff happening. Like a lot. It sounds so silly, but I'm watching this and I can't help but think the only thing keeping us from lighting up the box score, are these damn routine plays.

I just audibly sigh watching it. This could've been a blowout very quickly.

Staying patient. Stuff he needs to fix at least CAN be fixed. Whereas in previous years, we kind of saw the same thing in reverse... but Minshew, Ryan, even Rivers to a lesser extent couldn't fix arm talent.

IMO that 2004 season was the most efficient QB season we will ever witness. PM's 497 pass attempts does not even rank in the top 250 seasons of most pass attempts. His 9.9% TD to attempts is bar far the highest we have seen in the modern era. PM was often pulled in the 3rd or 4th quarter of so many blowouts.

Compare this to Tom Brady's 2007, when it was all about setting the TD record. BB actually pulled him in one blowout and then put him back in. Brady had 578 attempts that year, almost 100 more than PM in 2004.

Also, I was wrong about these two. Steichen was scheming dudes open all over the place. His call that sticks out is the endzone INT, but as much of a cluster as it looked, Dulin actually had the back corner. Not a given for AR right now, but his pass was tipped. Probably a TD or incompletion if Sanborn didn't get his hand on the ball.

And the OL was better than solid. They were pretty fucking good. Our Guards in particular. Will Fries has turned out to be pretty nasty. Looks like he's learning from Nelson (including the full face black).

Also Belichick > Dungy