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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 226194)

All the Colts need is a solid QB who can run the system, not make many mistakes and occasionally push the ball down the field to back the defenders off of JT.

Career Numbers:

62.0% Completion / 204-118 TD-INT / 5.9% sack rate / 237.5 YPG / 87.5 QBR / 35 years old / Dalton
59.4% Completion / 186-113 TD-INT / 6.8% sack rate / 223.5 YPG / 85.4 QBR / 33 years old / Newton
61.3% Completion / 121-088 TD-INT / 6.2% sack rate / 274.1 YPG / 86.9 QBR / 28 years old / Winston
62.9% Completion / 076-044 TD-INT / 8.1% sack rate / 209.6 YPG / 89.6 QBR / 29 years old / Mariota
61.6% Completion / 092-056 TD-INT / 6.5% sack rate / 235.4 YPG / 87.8 QBR / 27 years old / Mayfield

From the stats, Dalton and Winston are the best of the bunch. Baker delivers nothing over Winston (or even Mariota) except for being a couple of years younger.

Regardless, all of these guys are a 1, 2 or 3 year band aid for the Colts. None can carry a team by being even an "average" QB. Please don't trade away picks to get another Carson Wentz.

The problem when you get to this level of QB is that they are system dependent. They aren’t capable of overcoming adversity or carrying the team long term. I could go through season by season for each of these guys and “explain” away issues / bad seasons. Look at Ryan Tannehill as an example - two pretty damn good seasons sandwiched around a lot of mediocre ones. Support him enough and he appears to be a decent QB. Don’t and you are looking for an upgrade. With any of these guys that is the best you are going to get. But that doesn’t make them even or interchangeable. Since they are system dependent the key is how their individual strengths match the Colts. I won’t claim to have watched enough film on all these guys to have a really strong opinion. But what I do have a strong opinion on is that once Ballard decides, he is going to have to fill some other holes to help support them or it will be another waste. To me looking at their career stats is almost meaningless though.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 226146)

Oh Fuck Omaha is next up? Oh FUCK

yep

i do believe i would have to be next in line

giving away any draft capital, well significant anyway, is a terrible mistake for guy like mayfield or anyone like him.

we gambled and lost with wentz. just bring in the best guy you can without giving up much and carry on.

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 226209)

Trading away draft capital is especially detrimental for the Colts since Ballard refuses to fill needs outside of the draft, at least with anything more than 1 year band aids. Also, acquiring Mayfield would probably drive Ballard to hoard cap space even more this offseason (if that's possible) since he would have to hold back cap money to re-sign Mayfield if things work out.

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 226209)

I agree, none of these guys make me want to give up much beyond a 3rd-day pick if that.

Like what is the most the Colts could give up in draft capital that would make people here not wretch? I know for some it's anything. For me it's:

1st Round Pick: Throwing up all season. That would be infuriating.
2nd Round Pick: Would be pretty damn upset
3rd Round Pick: About the most I could tolerate
4th-7th Round Pick: I'm fine with that

Of course, would the Browns trade him for just a 3rd round pick or worse? I don't think so.

If the Colts don't see him as a long term replacement (unlike most of you I cannot for the life of me tell which of the bunch left is good or bad for this team) I don't want to give anything for Mayfield. If they think there is a possibility that he is our long term QB then a third or a fourth would be ok.

If true...does that mean McDumbass is going to trade Carr to the Browns, I know the Browns have been trying to get him!

The Browns are in the running for Watson. If they get him then Baker will eventually be released.

Getting him for free is the best option.

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 226167)

That's no moon!

Its a spacestation!!!!!!!!