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Oldcolt 05-10-2021 09:57 PM

Seems like a Ballard move to take the guy with the higher upside

apballin 05-10-2021 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 193502)
Where to?


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To the games and enjoy this shit unlike last year being in empty ass stadium having to do air high fives and shit

Dam8610 05-11-2021 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 193499)
Believe I mentioned everything you stated ? Only difference being in time frame for recovery. As I said hope our medical staff got this one right. :cool:

That and the difference that I seem to like the move a lot more, which was the main point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 193501)
Sooooo. we got 2 DE a QB AND a TE AND a top LT Damn. Ballard may know more than us


Just goes to show. None of us know the behind the scenes going ons.


This has been a freakin awesome off season!!!!

Is the TE you were referring to Granson? Because a 4th round TE, especially in this class, doesn't exactly move the needle for me, at least not until he goes out on the field and proves it. Of the people who weren't hanging on Ballard's ballsack throughout the draft, I think pretty much all of us said that the draft would look a lot better with a FA signing at LT, and clearly Ballard was waiting for the comp pick portion of FA to expire to go shopping for his LT, and had that luxury because there were 3 options sitting there on Day 1 of the draft, and 4 the day after the draft (Fisher, Villanueva, Leno, Okung). That said, I'll continue to say Jenkins would've been the better pick at 21 until Paye proves me wrong with production. I hope he does, but I have my doubts.

Racehorse 05-11-2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 193489)
Chromeburn. Putting an adjective such as hopefully before a statement about our defensive line being fixed alters the meaning of that statement to one of unknown but thinking it is within the realm of possibility. Never said it was fixed.

That would be an adverb.

Racehorse 05-11-2021 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 193507)
That and the difference that I seem to like the move a lot more, which was the main point I was making.



Is the TE you were referring to Granson? Because a 4th round TE, especially in this class, doesn't exactly move the needle for me, at least not until he goes out on the field and proves it. Of the people who weren't hanging on Ballard's ballsack throughout the draft, I think pretty much all of us said that the draft would look a lot better with a FA signing at LT, and clearly Ballard was waiting for the comp pick portion of FA to expire to go shopping for his LT, and had that luxury because there were 3 options sitting there on Day 1 of the draft, and 4 the day after the draft (Fisher, Villanueva, Leno, Okung). That said, I'll continue to say Jenkins would've been the better pick at 21 until Paye proves me wrong with production. I hope he does, but I have my doubts.

You are obsessed with someone being right and someone being wrong. The normal people on here want Ballard's decisions to work out for the better. If that is hanging on his ballsack to you, then you have even more issues to deal with.

Puck 05-11-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 193507)
That and the difference that I seem to like the move a lot more, which was the main point I was making.



Is the TE you were referring to Granson? Because a 4th round TE, especially in this class, doesn't exactly move the needle for me, at least not until he goes out on the field and proves it. Of the people who weren't hanging on Ballard's ballsack throughout the draft, I think pretty much all of us said that the draft would look a lot better with a FA signing at LT, and clearly Ballard was waiting for the comp pick portion of FA to expire to go shopping for his LT, and had that luxury because there were 3 options sitting there on Day 1 of the draft, and 4 the day after the draft (Fisher, Villanueva, Leno, Okung). That said, I'll continue to say Jenkins would've been the better pick at 21 until Paye proves me wrong with production. I hope he does, but I have my doubts.


Thanks for reminding us that Ballard did indeed have a plan and he executed it. It didn't waste a pick on a RT hoping to move him to LT. He got a legitimate pro bowl LT AND 2 of the best DE's in the draft. And yes. The TE is someone I'm excited because he brings a different wrinkle to the offense. He can also play slot receiver. He's a little small for a TE but has multi position playmaking ability.

Dam8610 05-11-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 193512)
You are obsessed with someone being right and someone being wrong. The normal people on here want Ballard's decisions to work out for the better. If that is hanging on his ballsack to you, then you have even more issues to deal with.

There were and are valid criticisms of Ballard this offseason, but pretty much everyone here (the exceptions I've noted being myself, Chromeburn, and Smitty) has been all about deference to Ballard and the front office's roster building and decision making ability, as though they could do no wrong. I'll certainly give Ballard his due credit, he's built up talent on this roster quickly and well, especially given the extenuating circumstances he's had to deal with that likely would've sunk most GMs and teams. He's certainly a top tier GM today. But even the best GMs will tell you that if you're hitting 50% of the time, you're doing a fantastic job. That's why I don't get all of you pretending that no move Ballard makes could be wrong. He'll tell you himself he's probably going to get half or more of them wrong. Furthermore, I feel there's a great deal of validity in the criticisms that Ballard seems to avoid high end free agency to the detriment of the team, that he seems to overfocus on fixing one thing each offseason, and that he tends to leave some holes on the roster that he had opportunities to fix in that offseason. All of that happened at the DE position this offseason. It scares me that Paye is DE1 on a team that is supposed to be a contender, in part because he's raw even for a rookie and in part because DEs rarely come in and have early success as rookies. And if you don't believe Paye is DE1, go watch the fourth episode of "With the Next Pick" and listen to the words come out of Eberflus's mouth. I really hope the first thing they did with Paye was enroll him in martial arts classes, because a lot of great pass rushers, including Jared Allen who was a master technician, credit that with learning good hand usage, handfighting, and leverage, and those are the things Paye needs to work on the most.

apballin 05-11-2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 193516)
There were and are valid criticisms of Ballard this offseason, but pretty much everyone here (the exceptions I've noted being myself, Chromeburn, and Smitty) has been all about deference to Ballard and the front office's roster building and decision making ability, as though they could do no wrong. I'll certainly give Ballard his due credit, he's built up talent on this roster quickly and well, especially given the extenuating circumstances he's had to deal with that likely would've sunk most GMs and teams. He's certainly a top tier GM today. But even the best GMs will tell you that if you're hitting 50% of the time, you're doing a fantastic job. That's why I don't get all of you pretending that no move Ballard makes could be wrong. He'll tell you himself he's probably going to get half or more of them wrong. Furthermore, I feel there's a great deal of validity in the criticisms that Ballard seems to avoid high end free agency to the detriment of the team, that he seems to overfocus on fixing one thing each offseason, and that he tends to leave some holes on the roster that he had opportunities to fix in that offseason. All of that happened at the DE position this offseason. It scares me that Paye is DE1 on a team that is supposed to be a contender, in part because he's raw even for a rookie and in part because DEs rarely come in and have early success as rookies. And if you don't believe Paye is DE1, go watch the fourth episode of "With the Next Pick" and listen to the words come out of Eberflus's mouth. I really hope the first thing they did with Paye was enroll him in martial arts classes, because a lot of great pass rushers, including Jared Allen who was a master technician, credit that with learning good hand usage, handfighting, and leverage, and those are the things Paye needs to work on the most.

Mathis should be able to help with that, but we got killed by QBs rolling out and scrambling around not many QBs should be able to outrun Paye

Chromeburn 05-11-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 193507)
That and the difference that I seem to like the move a lot more, which was the main point I was making.



Is the TE you were referring to Granson? Because a 4th round TE, especially in this class, doesn't exactly move the needle for me, at least not until he goes out on the field and proves it. Of the people who weren't hanging on Ballard's ballsack throughout the draft, I think pretty much all of us said that the draft would look a lot better with a FA signing at LT, and clearly Ballard was waiting for the comp pick portion of FA to expire to go shopping for his LT, and had that luxury because there were 3 options sitting there on Day 1 of the draft, and 4 the day after the draft (Fisher, Villanueva, Leno, Okung). That said, I'll continue to say Jenkins would've been the better pick at 21 until Paye proves me wrong with production. I hope he does, but I have my doubts.


https://theathletic.com/2579030/2021...-at-tight-end/

The only problem is I don’t see how Granson gets on the field. We will need left side blocking help till Fisher can play. And you have Cambell and Hines as a third receiver.

Chromeburn 05-11-2021 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 193521)
Mathis should be able to help with that, but we got killed by QBs rolling out and scrambling around not many QBs should be able to outrun Paye

The nice things about Paye is he should be a complete DE. Strong enough to bull rush and contain running QBs. Fast enough to get around strong tackles to get to less mobile QBs. Just can he develop and how long does it take? I still think we would benefit from a FA pass rusher. Let’s see if Houston resigns. Although I think he is almost over the hill.


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