And let’s be honest. Colts fans always want weapons. I have read numerous times this year where fans want a te in the first.

Well, women and Tom Brady love them some TE's.

Like Vita Vea did? Or Danny Shelton? Those “planet” DTs don’t provide 1st round value, especially in the Colts scheme. Even the really good ones like Snacks Harrison are only worth a mid to late round pick.

Again, Lawrence is more athletic than your traditional one dimensional run stopper. He has been able to rush the passer. And this is a specialist league. Guys that can do it all are at a premium. I would love Q Williams but we have no shot at him, I would love his teammate Wilkins. Doubt he is there either. We are ok Autry is light in the pants because he can rush the passer. But we will still have to face running teams in the playoffs. We have very little beef on the dline. The pats are going run heavy at the end of Brady’s career. Baltimore is going run heavy. League is constantly changing trying to find a edge. Offenses change, defenses adjust through scheme and personnel. Offenses change again. So yeah, an end of the round 1st on a big NT like him, I would rather have some other guys first, but if they aren’t there yeah I would be ok with him.

The best weapon is the one who gets the ball back to the offense.

Even though he provides more pass rush than other NTs, it doesn’t mean he isn’t still predominantly a two down player. In passing situations, he won’t be on the field, so he isn’t worth a 1st round pick in this scheme or in today’s NFL. That’s why I asked you whether he would play ahead of two among Autry/Hunt/Lewis/Ward on passing downs and you deflected.

Oh fuck off with that shit, I’m just trying to have a conversation.

Who would Lewis play ahead of on run downs of Sheard/Hunt/Lawrence/Autry?

Do talented NT’s go in the first round traditionally? Yes. So is he worth a first rounder? To most teams yes. Now the argument “he doesn’t fit this defense” is still largely subjective. Hunt, Lewis, and Woods all played in this D and have different styles, so is there a place for him? Certainly.

Isn't part of "having a conversation" answering fair questions, which you still haven't done?

As for your question, Lawrence would obviously play on run downs over Lewis; however, unlike what you are advocating, Lewis was not a 1st round pick. The Colts absolutely need 1 or 2 big bodies to play some A gap. Do they need to invest their most valuable offseason asset in order to meet that need? No.

:rolleyes: Everyone knows the answer to the question. He’s a run stopper first, just not a complete liability

It’s the 26 pick, not the Crown Jewels. And Lewis was picked a round later. Not that big a difference. Just being a 1st rounder doesn’t make it the end all. Depends on the draft which changes every year. Like those point systems they trot out for picks. Those aren’t accurate because the draft isn’t the same every year. A guy we’re picking will likely be rated a second round pick at 26. I doubt they have over 20 guys rated for the first round this draft. Colts should get the best player they can, hopefully it’s a defender. But Lawrence is a big DT and more athletic than any other NT that has come out in awhile. Guys like that don’t usually last too long even if they are devalued some now. You have a better chance of finding a good 3-tech with later picks than a player of Lawrence’s ability. He isn’t at the top of my list, but there are worse picks for me, like a receiver.

And we have three teams in the division trying to establish running games with big backs.

Fair enough. I think you can get Lawrence's value for a much cheaper price and I don't think this scheme values Lawrence's skill-set enough for them to have a high enough grade on him to take him at 26. I could be wrong on one or both counts.

I also don't think that stopping the run was a problem last year. The run defense was pretty solid. I'd much rather get upgrades at EDGE, 3T, SS, and yes, even WR.

Maybe. You can certainly get any position later with a little less production in theory. Other NT's thought won't have his athletic ability. I honestly wouldn't mind if they double dip at DT. Lawrence might not be in on pass downs, but he would occupy 2 blockers all the other time making our 3-techs job easier. Tillery, Dra'Mont Jones, Simmons, Autry and Hunt would all have an easier job with Lawrence next to them most of the time. Also it would make our goalline a lot more stout. Anyway, I'm not opposed to him, barring a better defender doesn't fall.

Dr Z and his legendary mock from SI

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/19/mo...dr-z-best-ever

Mel and Todd had their mock today on ESPN.

They picked DK Metcalf for us.

Jeffrey Simmons was picked by the Eagles right before.
Clelin Ferrel went a few picks after us, so did Greedy Williams and Dexter Lawrence.
Byron Murphy went around 20.
The other DTs were long gone.

Ferrel would have been the better pick. But alas, those fucktards don't know shit.

They never get our pick right so good... Metcalf would be a waste of a pick.

CBS sports has us picking.....


Round Overall Player Notes
1 26 DT Christian Wilkins, Clemson
2 34 SS Johnathan Abram, Mississippi State from NYJ
2 59 WR J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, Stanford
3 89 CB David Long, Michigan
4 129 DE Ben Banogu, TCU
4 135 RB Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma
5 164 LB Jahlani Tavai, Hawaii
6 199 WR Keelan Doss, Cal Davis
7 240 CB Isaiah Wharton, Rutgers

I have to think Ferrel would be at the top of that list.

I like this draft for the most part. Just don't see Wilkins being there.

That is a draft I would be on board with.

Kollman just posted his mock draft episode (1st round only) and has us taking Rock Ya-Sin. Really talked him up as a perfect fit to our zone d. I agree but not sure he grades as a first rounder and will probably be there for our early 2nd round pick.

I am not sure how many of you Follow Brett Kollman on youtube, he does some interesting breakdown of players and what not. Even if he is a filthy fucking Texicans fan. Today he posted his 1st round mock, but it is not a prediction mock, it is who he thinks would be best for each team. His stuff is well done and interesting to me, though I am not in love with him having the Colts pick a CB, he does support each pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhFmPap0WwM

This is not a strong CB class, and while I think we could use some bolstering there, it's not like our top 3 corners are bad players. Desir, Wilson, and Moore all showed they can make plays and can be counted on in coverage. I don't see CB as a top team need, and don't think guys like Ya Sin, Byron Murphy, or even DeAndre Baker are going to be the best players available when we pick.

There are some CB’s that the Colts have shown interest in that will be later picks. Lonnie Johnson and Tim Harris of Virginia. I think they are looking at guys with good size and measurable that they can develop for a few years.

I think it was in MMQB, several GM's said the end of the 1st round talent isn't much different from the end of the 3rd round.

If that is really true, I wouldn't be trying to guess what Ballard is going to do.

I’ll agree there, some prospects like Joejuan Williams (i think) are huge.

Mike Wells had us taking Abram in the 1st

I wouldnt be mad but I'm hoping we luck up and get Wilkins or Ferrell and then can get Abram with our next pick.

Savage or Rapp at 59 would be really good gets as well. Nice to have some depth and options at positions of need.

Yup, forgot to mention him. Although I think he is sneaking into the second. LJ May be in the second now too. I read or heard about one of the Colts staff working out and talking up the Virginia CB who is 6’2. I guess he was dealing with some injuries at the end of the year which kept him from working out. But his numbers are supposed to be great when healthy. 4.4 at 6’2 or something.

Savage is my favorite safety now. Rapp is a tackling machine and nothing gets by him, worry about his speed though. I’ve cooled on Abrams because he misses so many tackles. This is a deep safety class, not sure if we spend a 1st on one.

So much depends on how the board falls. But at least there’s good depth across the defense so that we can be sure they’ll get add some quality players.

The Ringer posted their Mock Draft, it's nicer than most and a good read.

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/?_ga=...539.1553710795

Plus the Colts first 2 rounds would be nuts. Tillery, Metcalf, and Abram.

Nice site, I had not seen this one. :cool:

Interesting comment from Matt Miller.

Miller also has Sweat falling to the Colts at 34. That would be insane.

Daniel Jeremiah has the Colts taking Simmons in his last mock.

I wouldn't be thrilled with that, but I'd be okay with it.

If you start arguing that Tillery is more talented than Simmons you're going on Ignore.

I seriously don't want a Red Shirt at #26, but that's just my $0.02 … Love to have him, but healthy. :cool:

A blown ACL in February means he could be back by November.

That, and I mean, rookies get hurt all the time. Deon Cain in 2018 and Malik Hooker in 2017 for most recent memory. If we draft a lesser talent and he blows his ACL in training camp, how much are we kicking ourselves for not just drafting the more talented guy if all they're gonna do is sit in the training room for 2019 anyway?

Tillery represents the safer pick at the moment IMO. I'd also rather chance Simmons falling to 34, as I think it's the more likely scenario. That said, pop the tape on, both are incredibly disruptive from the interior.