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JAFF 03-02-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111142)
He does practice some misdirection though, I heard Nelson say after his Pro-Day at N.D. they told him your going be heck of a player wherever you end up and they didn't talk to him at all at combine. Said was surprised when he heard them call his name at #6 ... :cool:

Why would any team intentionally link themselves to a particular player? The draft is like 32 hand poker. You dont show your cards.

HoosierinFL 03-03-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 111136)
Today's latest: Kansas City IS franchising Dee Ford and are OK having him as part of their defensive unit. However, they are listening to trade offers and would be willing to trade.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...64188803584000


So I guess they are looking to trade one of their edge defenders - either Justin Houston or Ford.

They also don’t think he can play in a 4-3 so if that’s true, I’m not sure why we’d want him.

Puck 03-03-2019 03:24 PM

Might be just what we need.

If he’s available

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...759329802?s=20

Chromeburn 03-03-2019 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 111198)
Might be just what we need.

If he’s available

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...759329802?s=20

He will be gone in the top 15 if not top ten. I don't think our choices will be as good as people hope. I'm hoping Dra'mont Jones makes it to 26.

apballin 03-03-2019 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 111198)
Might be just what we need.

If he’s available

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...759329802?s=20

No way he’ll be there, Dexter Lawrence should be though

Dam8610 03-03-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 111198)
Might be just what we need.

If he’s available

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...759329802?s=20

He's a top 10 pick now.

FatDT 03-03-2019 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111199)
He will be gone in the top 15 if not top ten. I don't think our choices will be as good as people hope. I'm hoping Dra'mont Jones makes it to 26.

He came into the Combine smaller than I hoped for.

Dam8610 03-04-2019 12:58 AM

After Combine results, Brian Burns is the most interesting realistic option to me at 26. I'm hoping that pro days will produce better times for Omenihu, Jones, and Polite, as they may be options at 26 or 34. Tillery also had a strong showing as well.

Chromeburn 03-04-2019 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 111226)
He came into the Combine smaller than I hoped for.

He will need someone next to him with some beef. He had a good combine and can play all along the line though. I think he will be the best interior pass rusher available when our pick rolls around. Simmons might be there, I'm pretty sure Wilkins won't be.

Dam8610 03-04-2019 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111229)
He will need someone next to him with some beef. He had a good combine and can play all along the line though. I think he will be the best interior pass rusher available when our pick rolls around. Simmons might be there, I'm pretty sure Wilkins won't be.

If the Raiders don't grab him at 27, Simmons is the perfect pick at 34.

smitty46953 03-04-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 110369)
It is conceivable all 4 (Lawrence, Clark, Ford, Jarrett, and I'll add L. Collins)could all be hit with the franchise tag. :cool:

Lawrence, Clark, Ford, Clowney, and Jarrett all tagged as of 3/4/2019 :cool:

smitty46953 03-04-2019 05:52 PM

Free Agent Tracker

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/fr...-agent-tracker

:cool:

smitty46953 03-04-2019 06:05 PM

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter

Falcons placed franchise tag on DT Grady Jarrett, per source.

:cool:

VeveJones007 03-04-2019 06:45 PM

Just jumping back to FatDT's OP for a sec, Christian Wilkins sure sounds like Chris Ballard's type of player. He'll probably be gone between 15-25, but it's one name that I think will be high on the Colts board.

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"I just really want teams to realize that if they get me then they're investing in something bigger than just football. They're investing in so much more. The ability I have to not only dominate on the field and be effective on the field, but to also just improve culture — whether it's good, bad, ugly, different, (I’ll) just improve culture,” Wilkins said.

“I feel like ultimately I'm the kind of guy you want in the locker room, you want on your team, and you just want on the field with you, because I'm someone who's just extremely committed at being the best at my craft, and to my teammates just being the best player I can be,” Wilkins continued. “That's my goal, and that's what I plan to do on any team that I go to in the NFL."

Dam8610 03-06-2019 02:50 PM

So the stupidest thing I'm seeing in mock drafts right now is the Colts passing on Clelin Ferrell to draft a WR. Not a chance that happens if he's available, unless a better DL is available.

smitty46953 03-06-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111586)
So the stupidest thing I'm seeing in mock drafts right now is the Colts passing on Clelin Ferrell to draft a WR. Not a chance that happens if he's available, unless a better DL is available.

Mocks are fun to look at, but worthless. We both know Ferrell will never fall to us without some significant "Red Flag" that I am not aware of … :cool:

Dam8610 03-06-2019 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111589)
Mocks are fun to look at, but worthless. We both know Ferrell will never fall to us without some significant "Red Flag" that I am not aware of … :cool:

Yeah there's still two months left in the process, and a lot will change between now and then, but I find nothing more frustrating than seeing a WR to the Colts, then a top end edge rusher going after that. It just shows complete lack of knowledge of how this FO operates.

VeveJones007 03-06-2019 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111586)
So the stupidest thing I'm seeing in mock drafts right now is the Colts passing on Clelin Ferrell to draft a WR. Not a chance that happens if he's available, unless a better DL is available.

Saw that too and thought the same thing. I think it was Jeremiah. Bad pick, but he's also way too low on Ferrell, who will be gone much sooner.

VeveJones007 03-06-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111595)
Yeah there's still two months left in the process, and a lot will change between now and then, but I find nothing more frustrating than seeing a WR to the Colts, then a top end edge rusher going after that. It just shows complete lack of knowledge of how this FO operates.

Holder did an all beat-writer mock and picked CB Deandre Baker. The top DLs were gone, but I would expect Ballard to go for a guy like Ferguson, Tillery, Simmons, or Winovich before corner in Rd1.

Dam8610 03-06-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 111599)
Holder did an all beat-writer mock and picked CB Deandre Baker. The top DLs were gone, but I would expect Ballard to go for a guy like Ferguson, Tillery, Simmons, or Winovich before corner in Rd1.

If all the top end edge rushers are gone, I suspect Ballard will pick Tillery at 26, Simmons at 34, and the best edge rusher at 59 (maybe Ferguson, Ximines, or Omenihu).

smitty46953 03-06-2019 04:25 PM

Personally assuming 1st round Edge rushers are gone, I like Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State if he is there @ 1.26 and Wilkins is gone.

Don't really want to "Red Shirt" Jeffery Simmons @ 2.02, injury and assault charge kind of takes him off my board.

I would rather get best edge available. Just my opinion.

Fine with Tillery as well should Jones be gone.

:cool:

smitty46953 03-06-2019 04:28 PM

Curious if anyone has ever went back and graded all of these talking heads mock drafts? See if any of these guys are any better than us un-paid amateurs !!! :cool:

Chromeburn 03-06-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111586)
So the stupidest thing I'm seeing in mock drafts right now is the Colts passing on Clelin Ferrell to draft a WR. Not a chance that happens if he's available, unless a better DL is available.

It's funny how off some of these guys are in mocks.

Chromeburn 03-06-2019 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111324)
Lawrence, Clark, Ford, Clowney, and Jarrett all tagged as of 3/4/2019 :cool:

So, it's looking like we won't even have a shot at a top FA pass rusher. They just don't become FA's. I sometimes wonder if we should have entered the Khalil Mack sweepstakes.

I keep going over the draft and I don't see a good pass rusher dropping to us. They are all gone and I don't like the idea of reaching for a Ferguson or Ximines.

FatDT 03-06-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111610)
It's funny how off some of these guys are in mocks.

Mocks are entertaining but useless, especially before FA.

Chromeburn 03-06-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111607)
Personally assuming 1st round Edge rushers are gone, I like Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State if he is there @ 1.26 and Wilkins is gone.

Don't really want to "Red Shirt" Jeffery Simmons @ 2.02, injury and assault charge kind of takes him off my board.

I would rather get best edge available. Just my opinion.

Fine with Tillery as well should Jones be gone.

:cool:

If you think he might be a Fletcher Cox type player would you take him then?

Dam8610 03-06-2019 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111607)
Personally assuming 1st round Edge rushers are gone, I like Dre'Mont Jones, DT, Ohio State if he is there @ 1.26 and Wilkins is gone.

Don't really want to "Red Shirt" Jeffery Simmons @ 2.02, injury and assault charge kind of takes him off my board.

I would rather get best edge available. Just my opinion.

Fine with Tillery as well should Jones be gone.

:cool:

Jones came in light and had a poor combine showing that makes his athleticism, which was one of his biggest selling points, come into question. Tillery, OTOH, is exactly what Eberflus wants in a DL if his time with Dallas and here last year is any indication. Tillery is big, long, fast for his size, and weighed in just under 300 pounds. From strictly a size and athleticism perspective, Tillery is very similar to David Irving (and again I stress, this comparison is limited to body type and on field play style), a player who produced very well when he was on the field for Dallas. If the choice is between Tillery, Jones, and Jaylon Ferguson or someone of the like at 26, Tillery is the pick for me easily.

I like the idea of picking up Simmons at 34 because he's a top 15-20 talent in this draft, but I can understand the argument against.

I think in this draft, unless someone like Clelin Ferrell unexpectedly falls, the value at edge rusher likely won't be there until the end of Round 2.

Dam8610 03-06-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 111612)
Mocks are entertaining but useless, especially before FA.

I agree, I just thought it was stupid to see the Colts getting a WR, then seeing the Chiefs or Cheaters(!) get Ferrell, since that would NEVER happen with Ballard as GM.

VeveJones007 03-06-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111622)
Jones came in light and had a poor combine showing that makes his athleticism, which was one of his biggest selling points, come into question. Tillery, OTOH, is exactly what Eberflus wants in a DL if his time with Dallas and here last year is any indication. Tillery is big, long, fast for his size, and weighed in just under 300 pounds. From strictly a size and athleticism perspective, Tillery is very similar to David Irving (and again I stress, this comparison is limited to body type and on field play style), a player who produced very well when he was on the field for Dallas. If the choice is between Tillery, Jones, and Jaylon Ferguson or someone of the like at 26, Tillery is the pick for me easily.

I like the idea of picking up Simmons at 34 because he's a top 15-20 talent in this draft, but I can understand the argument against.

I think in this draft, unless someone like Clelin Ferrell unexpectedly falls, the value at edge rusher likely won't be there until the end of Round 2.

Based on what Ballard did with Leonard and Smith last year, I expect him to take his top-rated EDGE at 34 rather than risk the wait. That's assuming he doesn't go ahead and do it at 26.

smitty46953 03-06-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111622)
Jones came in light and had a poor combine showing that makes his athleticism, which was one of his biggest selling points, come into question. Tillery, OTOH, is exactly what Eberflus wants in a DL if his time with Dallas and here last year is any indication. Tillery is big, long, fast for his size, and weighed in just under 300 pounds. From strictly a size and athleticism perspective, Tillery is very similar to David Irving (and again I stress, this comparison is limited to body type and on field play style), a player who produced very well when he was on the field for Dallas. If the choice is between Tillery, Jones, and Jaylon Ferguson or someone of the like at 26, Tillery is the pick for me easily.

I like the idea of picking up Simmons at 34 because he's a top 15-20 talent in this draft, but I can understand the argument against.

I think in this draft, unless someone like Clelin Ferrell unexpectedly falls, the value at edge rusher likely won't be there until the end of Round 2.

Watched Ohio State couple times and Jones impressed me, had not looked at combine results. I don't put in much time watching combine, probably should. As a ND fan I am fine with Tillery as well. :cool:

smitty46953 03-06-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111613)
If you think he might be a Fletcher Cox type player would you take him then?

Personally if it was my call "No" I want my 2nd round picks on the field this year. :cool:

Dam8610 03-06-2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 111635)
Based on what Ballard did with Leonard and Smith last year, I expect him to take his top-rated EDGE at 34 rather than risk the wait. That's assuming he doesn't go ahead and do it at 26.

I don't think Ballard would reach for need,and I don't see him having a high enough grade on someone like Jaylon Ferguson to pull the trigger at 26 or 34.

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 111641)
Personally if it was my call "No" I want my 2nd round picks on the field this year. :cool:

Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack worked out pretty well.

VeveJones007 03-06-2019 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111650)
I don't think Ballard would reach for need,and I don't see him having a high enough grade on someone like Jaylon Ferguson to pull the trigger at 26 or 34.



Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack worked out pretty well.

I don’t know how you can be so confident about that. Isn’t Jaylon Ferguson a similar situation to Leonard? Both very productive non-D1 players with question marks due to the competition level.

Luck4Reich 03-06-2019 09:04 PM

Went back and read last years draft threads where a lot of people put down the Leonard pick. Glad Ballard makes the decisions and not people here.:p

VeveJones007 03-06-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 111661)
Went back and read last years draft threads where a lot of people put down the Leonard pick. Glad Ballard makes the decisions and not people here.:p

That’s all I’m saying. Don’t be surprised if Ballard is higher on a player than you or the pundits and takes him “early.”

Luck4Reich 03-06-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111586)
So the stupidest thing I'm seeing in mock drafts right now is the Colts passing on Clelin Ferrell to draft a WR. Not a chance that happens if he's available, unless a better DL is available.

If he is available no way Ballard takes a WR... at least I hope not.

Dam8610 03-06-2019 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 111659)
I don’t know how you can be so confident about that. Isn’t Jaylon Ferguson a similar situation to Leonard? Both very productive non-D1 players with question marks due to the competition level.

Ferguson is D1, led D1 in sacks. He also got disinvited from the Combine due to a battery conviction as a Freshman and was arrested for public intoxication while at La Tech. That alone will drop him rounds on Ballard's board (may even drop him off).

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-07-2019 12:38 AM

Tillery had surgery today to repair a torn labrum.

Normal recovery time is 3-4 months.....so he should be ready for training camp, assuming no setbacks.

With the depth of DL in this draft - perhaps he may slide a little down the board??


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103393193431830528

Dam8610 03-07-2019 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 111674)
Tillery had surgery today to repair a torn labrum.

Normal recovery time is 3-4 months.....so he should be ready for training camp, assuming no setbacks.

With the depth of DL in this draft - perhaps he may slide a little down the board??


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103393193431830528

He put up 23 reps of 225 with a torn labrum. Wonder how many he'd put up healthy?

FatDT 03-07-2019 12:37 PM

Tillery seems like he'll be a good pro. I hope he is not the BPA at 26.


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