He was not even 11-5 in the first season. Most of that was Arians.

He is more like 44-40 overall if you take out what arians did the first season.

Nope he’s just slow... no learning there.

That's a little fact that Dam and ap seem to ignore. Clappy was actually 2-3 in his first year including the loss in the playoffs.

Also fortunate to play 6 games a year to teams in by far the worst division in the NFL for what the last 3-4 years.

Exactly ... :cool:

Compound that with all the games where the offensive gamelan went from running Pep's shitty plays to "Luck please save us". 4-12 is about right for Pagano. He's a 2 to 6 win HC without a super star QB.

That describes most head coaches in the NFL.

Explain Marrone and Bortles

McDermott and Taylor on the other sideline are also awaiting explanation.

You are just a turd that won’t flush aren’t you:rolleyes:

Exactly! Mularkey with Mariotta is not really a coach with a stud QB, either.

So how the hell did those coaches make it to the Super Bowl with the likes of Trent Dilfer, Neil O’Donnell, Jeff Hostetler , Stan Humphrey, Tony Eason, Kerry Collins and Rex Grossman to name a few? There is a shit ton of Coaches that have made it deep into the playoffs and even to the Super Bowl with mediocre QBs. You have no more excuses for the Suckitude that Pagano is as a coach.

Does this site have an "ignore" feature?

Zimmer is currently trotting Case Keenum out there...

McVay, a first year coach, had Goff yesterday...

Andy Reid and Alex Smith yesterday as well...

All had great defenses

Again Vikings have a top 5 defense and has been for 5 years

go ahead and Mention Bortles because it's not his stellar play that's gotten the Jags this far

Hard to build a top defense when your coach is begging your GM to draft guys like TJ Green and bring in free agents like LaRon Landry

It wouldn't matter our owner wants offense that's clear, we will never have a shutdown defense

It will improve next year with a new HC

Doesnt matter who the owner wants. The HC should be able to coach anyone on the team..... I know this is a new concept... at least in the last 6 yrs... but you'll get it eventually

True

But when that GM is fired and you are still trotting out TJ Green a year later not only as a safety but as a starting corner, which he is even worse at, it makes it even harder.

Pagano was a button clicker and not sharp mentally, and his teams were never sharp either.

He's not the worst coach ever but he's not head coach material. He deserved to be let go.

Some observations about Chuck Pagano:

1. We know him as "clappy" and that's really such a true statement. I watched the Colts-Chiefs playoff game the other day, and when Trent Richardson sloppily fumbled the ball without ever being touch, Pagano literally ran onto the field clapping. Patted Trent on his head and said that's ok don't worry about it. Contrast that to Belichick who lit into his only good running back who fumbled in a playoff game a few years ago and benched him. Told some no-name to get in the game and hold onto the ball.

That was the major problem with Pagano's clubs. He didn't hold anyone accountable and as a result, nobody was sharp. The receivers ran sloppy routes. The running backs didn't take care of the ball. People missed tackles or in Laron Landry's case, never tried to actually tackle a person. Andrew Luck was never pushed (really pushed). Too many mental mistake interceptions where he made the wrong read/poor decision and came off the field banging his helmet saying "my bad". Too many people on special teams who didn't know the rules and got called for penalties like running out of bounds on purpose on a punt that even someone not getting paid at home knows you can't do.

Sloppy ****ing teams over and over again.

2. I've said this before but I have a relative who has ADHD and Chuck Pagano reminds me of him in a lot of ways. The neurons in the brain just fire at random and it's pot-luck whatever decision the guy is going to make. That's how I always felt with Pagano in games. Will he challenge a call or not? Who knows, it depends on whatever random impulse pops into his brain in the moment. 4th down call against the Patriots that everyone laughs about? Same thing.

You just can't have a guy like that running a team. Maybe a great assistant coach. Maybe a great person. But someone who isn't sharp as a tack and always in control of the moment cannot run a team.

3. Chuck Pagano wasn't the worst coach either. He took responsibility for his mistakes and tried to do better. In many cases he did. There are a lot of people in football past Colts coaches and players included who fail to do that. It's a character flaw if you can't admit you screwed up and take responsibility for your actions and try to learn from them and do better. Chuck Pagano deserves credit for not being like that.

Colts moved on from him and it was the right decision. Now let's hope they find the right guy this time.

Excellent post!

I think you're being generous.

You can only coach what you got

When you pay your QB 100 million your committing to being an offense 1st team

The only chance we had at building a great defense was while Luck was on a rookie contract

that is retarded

Especially retarded, when we have $80 million in cap space.

Stop doubling down on stupid.

Name a team with a 100million dollar QB that has a lockdown/shutdown or even top 5 defense???

I'll wait. . .

Pittsburgh.

A stable franchise with QB-WR-RB secured for years now that has had the luxury of drafting all defense for 3 years straight

Ok outside of Pitt, Qb's with the big money the teams defense is bottom half of the league. Meanwhile the teams with the QB's on rookie contracts are top 15

When you payout that much money you send the message to the team, fans, everyone we're gonna put up points you are commiting to offense even the guys on that team know it's his team and we rely on him to win the games they're just along for the ride and hoping it leads them to a big contract next time because of the exposure that the 100million dollar QB got them because that's what fans wanna see

Well, geez. We should just trade Luck for whatever QB is cheapest, since, you know, coaches and QBs don't matter to you. :eek::eek:

If they can do it, how are they doing it? What can the Colts do to replicate that model to the point that they can have a franchise QB and an elite defense?

Luck has to stay healthy and every pick has to be on defense and yes in 4-5 years we can have a top 5 defense

This is simply wrong

Who the fuck wants to wait 4-5 years?

You can't build a defense in 4-5 years. You have to be patient and wait at least 12. 14 if you want to really do it right.

HA 14 yrs. yes... but not until after the bye week in yr 13 would you have an idea

Don't hire Pagano or Grigson, wait its to late for that.....