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I don't know about the rest of you, but this season has been fun. Although I was about done with the NFL after the refs in the Chiefs game and the Houston game. Something has to be done about it. |
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As far as a failure to upgrade the position in case of an injury, how soon do we forget Anthony Richardson. He was plan B, the guy who was supposed to step in if anything happened to Jones. |
https://www.espn.com/olympics/skiing...nhill-win-2018
Lindsey Vonn came out of a 5 year retirement and won her first World Cup Downhill since 2018. She's not 44 years old like Uncle Phil but she is 41. Not saying PR will take us anywhere but maybe there's something to be said of aged. |
I think it will be fun to find out what he has in the tank. And, this team is going no where without someone in that position that can lead them. Be it Leonard or Rivers behind center, I'll be watching and I'll be cheering for a W. Is there any other option for a loyal fan?
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I hope I'm wrong and Rivers shocks the world and common sense and does great....but I think it is really just a novelty act and a slap in the face to Riley Leonard! By the way, I suppose this post will be considered negativity, I was perfectly willing to never mention Rivers or Ballard again, but you chose to keep piling on so I will continue to defend my position! |
People root for teams differently. Some of us are always negative, some of us are pollyanna types that always see the positive. The truth probably is somewhere in-between. But getting on someone for being negative who has spent the last 10 years (for me it is over 60 fucking years) following this mediocre shit show is a little much to me. Bitch all you want, if I disagree it gives me someone and something to argue about and with, which is one of the reasons I come here. I, and this is today, think Ballard is great at his job except he is horrible at scouting pass rushers and quarterbacks-unfortunately the two most important positions in football. Not sure if that can ever be worked around, maybe if you just get lucky. I like Steichen. He produces wins with no pass rush and the best QB he has ever had was having a career year with him (seems to happen quite often) but I want to point out that a career year with Jones made him into an average QB. Nobody keeps repeating career years.
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Keep your expectations low, but your hopes high and hang on, it's bound to be a bumpy ride.
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Jim Plunkett was thought of as a loser after 7 seasons of futility while QB-ing bad teams on the New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers from 1971 through 1977. After being out of football for 2 seasons, he came back with the Raiders and resurrected his career behind one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football. He won a Super Bowl in 1980, won another Super Bowl in 1983, and led the Raiders to an 8-1 record in 1982 before they were upset by the Jets in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Plunkett's record as a starter with the Patriots and the 49ers between 1971 and 1977 was 34-53. Plunkett's record as a starter with the Raiders between 1980 and 1984 was 34-12. The Colts were 8-2 this season before Daniel Jones hurt his leg, and he was ranked #4 in the NFL in passer rating at that point. They lost the last 2 games that he played entirely by a very close margin while his mobility, which is a big part of his game for exponential reasons, was severely hampered. Presuming that Jones is necessarily now average based largely on his 6 seasons playing with bad New York Giants teams and 1 season playing with the Colts is as faulty as saying that Jim Plunket had a career year in 1980, and therefore could not continue at that success rate, which he clearly dd. o |
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And I'm not asserting that Daniel Jones will necessarily continue the success that he had this season with the Colts, like Plunkett did with the Raiders ...... he might continue to thrive, or he might fall flat on his face ...... but we won't know that for at least a couple of more years. o |
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A more recent example of a QB resurrecting his career with better teams after languishing in mediocrity with mostly mediocre teams is Rich Gannon. Gannon was drafted in 1987, but did not get significant playing time until 1990 with the Vikings. In 4 seasons as a starter between 1990 and 1993 Gannon had 43 TD's, 42 INT's, and a QB rating of 72.9. In 7 seasons as a starter between 1996 and 2002 Gannon had 128 TD's, 55 INT's, and a QB rating of 90.7. Gannon's record as a starting QB between 1990 and 1993 was 20-19. Gannon's record as a starting QB between 1996 and 2002 was 52-31. ******************************************* A smaller sample size of a QB flailing badly early in his career and then turning it around with a much better team would be Steve Young. In 2 seasons with the Buccaneers in 1985 and 1986, Steve Young had a record of 3-16 as a starting QB. He had 11 TD's 21 INT's, and a QB rating of 63.1 In his very first season with the 49ers in 1987 filling in for an injured Joe Montana, Young had 10 TD's, 0 INT's, and a QB rating of 120.8. Young continued to thrive filling in for Montana when he was hurt over the next 3 seasons from 1988 through 1990, throwing for 13 TD's, 6 INT's, and a QB rating of 94.7. Young became the 49'ers' full-time QB in 1991 when Montana was out with an injury, and the rest is history. Would Steve Young have improved his game had he remained with the laughing-stock Buccaneers instead of being traded to the gold-mine 49ers ??? He may have, but it is highly unlikely that he would have put up numbers similar to what he did when he was playing for the 49ers ...... one can imagine how Archie Manning's career would have turned out had he been traded to the Raiders or the Steelers prior to the 1972 season. o |
My brain is telling me they brought him in to play, but for some reason I'm not 1000% ready to believe it unless Leonard just can't go.
I actually thought Leonard looked pretty good vs. JAX. What gets lost in the whole debacle is that we had some atrocious calls go against us, but nobody cared at that point. 16, 8, and 12-play scoring drives - Riley/Pittman got screwed out of a TD and screwed into a mind-melting INT (still can't believe that one). I guess I won't be surprised by anything. Assuming Leonard can play: Rivers could backup Leonard as a true emergency, they could give him another week and let him take the reigns after SEA on short notice, or they could say fuck it and see what he can do against SEA. ------- If anyone wants to join me, the cope-induced take I'm rolling with to make me feel better... He mainly retired for priorities. Arm still looks ok from what players/reporters are saying. And consider that he was never really a rocket arm guy, anyway (especially by 2020). He was also, in his prime, one of the stiffest and most immobile QB's. Hopefully he can avoid gassing out. So if the desire is there, his main weapon should still be intact, which is mental and pre-snap. ID the defense and get us in the right situation - let the playmakers loose. A man can dream. |
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I dreamed that Daniel Jones might have a Jim Plunkett-type of resurrection with the Colts, and for the most part he did, prior to breaking his fibula. I'm also dreaming that Philip Rivers can still be an effective quarterback in the NFL ....... with the odds, of course, being much lower than the odds were for a Daniel Jones breakout season. o |
Hell yes Chaos. If the only joy you get from football is reality you're losing out on most of it. I will add that a ring would cap off Rivers career, ensure him the HOF and make him a folk hero to boot.
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When you started the thread, you should have used his last name instead of his first. https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000...1a69c0a1e6d6f0 o |
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I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn into a complete embarrassment for my team. |
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Me to. But then again 7-1 shocked the crap out of me. I will not be embarrassed one bit no matter what happens. We really have no options at this point in the season. This is a Hail Mary but I see it as a football Hail Mary with a chance of hitting. I do love fighting all the way I sure hope the team can pull this improbable victory off. As long as we are hoping I'm also hoping AR bonds with River like he has with no other QB and learns from the man |
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Rapaport says old man Rivers will start in Seattle.
It was obvious from the moment they wouldn’t name a starter that it would be Rivers. Tells you a lot about what they think of Leonard. Oh well. It’ll be interesting anyway. |
Thinking about the hail mary concept, I must say it feels more like a hail mary with AAron Rodgers throwing it at the end that it would with Curtis Painter throwing it. Rodgers had a high success rate on those throws in comparison with the rest of the QB field.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter Colts are activating Philip Rivers to their active roster from their practice squad, paving the way for him to make his first NFL start in five years Sunday at Seattle. By signing to the active roster today, Rivers also now will go from being a semi-finalist for this year’s Pro Football Hall of Fame to not being eligible again until 2031. |
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I’m hoping for a miracle, Rivers or Leonard, Win for Jim and keep us in the playoff hunt |
Mike Chappell
@mchappell51 · 23h If Philip Rivers gets pro-rated vet minimum ($1.255m) for final 4 games, that's roughly $280,000. Per @overthecap , Rivers' career earnings is $242m. He's got kids to feed, but this isn't about $$$. https://x.com/mchappell51/status/199...691737937?s=20 |
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Rivers sees the forest for the trees ....... he knows that he was a great quarterback in his prime, and he doesn't need the Hall-of-Fame to confirm that. Babe Ruth copied Shoeless Joe Jackson's swing, and said that Jackson was the greatest natural hitter that he ever saw ...... everybody knows that Jackson was one of the greatest players of all-time. He doesn't need to be inducted to the Hall-of-Fame for confirmation. o |
Damn, it's gonna be interesting.
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(vs. SEAHAWKS, 12/14) My initial feeling was that after today the Colts should go with Riley Leonard, but not anymore ...... after starting the game going 3-for-8, Philip Rivers went 15-for-19, and that includes when he intentionally threw the ball away several times. In my rat's ass of an opinion, Rivers is the guy that we ought have in there going forward for the rest of the season. o |
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That might be a good idea, and it might be just what they do. In the game thread, I said that I thought that the Colts might be intending to start Leonard in the final 2 intra-division games against the Jaguars and the Texans, and that the reason why they wanted Rivers to play today was for him to get one full game of experience under his belt in case Leonard got hurt in those games ...... now Rivers has that one full game of experience under his belt, so he will be ready to get back out there if we go with Riley, and Riley gets injured. o |
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The chances that Riley Leonard would have given the Colts a better chance to win today's game is 50/50 ...... he's much younger than Rivers, he's much more mobile than Rivers, and he has much more arm-strength than Rivers ...... but I doubt that he would have been able to complete 15-out-of-his-last-19 passes like Rivers did today, including 2 incompletions that were intentional. Leonard played well last week, but he's still a total wildcard ....... he may wind up being a good starting quarterback in the NFL, he may wind up being a good 2nd-string quarterback in the NFL, or he could wind up sucking with hardly any NFL career at all. o |
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Has anybody else heard the theory that Rivers came back because he didn't think he would get in the HOF on a first vote over Eli, and that unless Stafford retires this season he feels he would be the best QB in 5 years?
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After having seen what Old Man Rivers has left in the tank, I think opposing defenses in our last three games, all of which are solid to good, are going to throttle the heck out of the run game and short passing game and dare him to throw it over 20 yards in the air.....
....which, when he did, were complete rainbows ready for interception. While I was entertained yesterday with an almost win in a game I felt like we should lose by 21, OMR is not going to get us to the playoffs and if by some miracle we back in, will not win us a playoff game. His game is just too limited at this point in his career. On that note, HATS OFF to the Colts defense. They played a heck of a good game yesterday minus some of their playmakers (Buck, Sauce, Ward). It was a HECK of a performance. |
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After further introspection, you're probably right. We probably caught lightning-in-a-bottle with Philip Rivers yesterday, and that is probably the best that we'll see of him if he continues to play. I initially said that I think that we should continue to play Philip Rivers for the last 3 games of the season, but I think that that would be a mistake ...... Riley Leonard, as inexperienced as he is, is very likely our best shot at winning any more games this season. o |
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