No doubt they'll do their due diligence. I just hope they do it better than when they evaluated guys like Wentz, Ryan, Pryor, and Pinter :cool:

Stay at 4 and take Levis, if he's gone at 4, try to trade down. If that doesn't pan out take one of the edge guys and hopefully Richardson or Hooker will be there at 36.

Just remember everyone, there were "no franchise QBs" in the 2017 draft, either.

Tom Brady was a 6th round QB....nuff said!

Let's not talk about Cheaters that deserve to be banned from the league. Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant.

I would take Stroud over any qb in this draft. But that's me & I'm not the one making the pick.

Sure, I get it. Also, when I say "everyone" I should clarify it's guys I tend to trust, not every yahoo with a YouTube channel.

Mainly bringing up the Young consensus in response to the talk about CHI potentially keep the pick and taking him. Which I could see because you can surely upgrade from Fields at QB.

The combine is going to be very important for Bryce Young. His height will determine a great deal of his draft stock. That said, he could be 6'2" and the best I would have him is 1b to CJ Stroud's 1a. If he's below 6'0", he's probably clearly 2 to Stroud's 1.

You seem to like Stroud to the point of taking him high even in another, let's say, less questionable year of QBs.

So as a Stroud advocate, why do you think (trustworthy) guys would rate him below Young even despite his small size? Which is a significant concern.

I would stay put. Trading up to 1 would likely cost a 2024 1st and that will be a talented draft and I don't want to lose a 1st in that draft.

Nightmare scenario is:

Bears trade out and a QB gone.
Houston takes QB.
Cards decide they want a better thrower or trade out and a QB is taken.

That leaves us with Anderson or Carter. Trade down and take a QB later or take Richardson.

One of the top three should be there. Hopefully, 2 of them will be.

In that scenario, stay put and take Carter. Dude is a phenom. we will suck horribly next year, should be able to get # 1 or 2 picks without really having to try very hard. Williams or Maye are better than anyone in this draft by a wide margin.

Plus that would all but guarantee that Ballard will finally be gone, which automatically probably gets us 3 wins the following season.

There's some phantom concern about him not being able to improvise or create plays, and "folding under pressure". You can really watch any of his games to debunk these myths, but the Georgia game in particular does it very well.

Also, yes, I am pretty high on Stroud. He grades pretty closely to another former Ohio State QB, Joe Burrow, in my opinion.

Unitas was a 9th round pick....nuff said !!! Fuck that pussy Brady !!

Who was cut and picked up by the Colts as a free agent. Was in the 1950's though.

I will say that as much as Mac Jones/Tua appears to be scaring people off Bryce Young due to the Alabama factor that the same could absolutely apply with Stroud with Fields/Haskins.

The idea that these guys had elite weapons that could run circles around inferior competition absolutely has merit.

I do believe that Bryce Young has a superior ability to create offense where nothing is there (that I haven’t seen from Stroud and certainly not from Richardson/Levis). Again, please don’t read this as Bryce Young love. I don’t love the guy but he IS the highest on my board and I do want the Colts to trade up what it takes to get him and put him in alongside Harbaugh and see what happens.

The school pedigree argument in the current era of football has no merit. Mahomes was from Texas Tech. Allen was from Wyoming. Joe Burrow was from LSU via Ohio State. Herbert was from Oregon. None of these schools has a particularly good history of developing QBs and sending them to the NFL.

As far as his ability to create, that (and the size) is where my Russell Wilson comp for him comes from. Young creates in a similar fashion to Russell Wilson. When his offense gets off schedule, he will start using his athleticism to run around and gain yardage on the ground, occasionally also using it to escape pressure and make insane throws few other QBs could make.

I disagree with your opinion on Stroud and his ability to create. He absolutely has incredible athleticism, but the way he tends to use it to create is similar to Aaron Rodgers. He'll escape pressure and roll out, but whether he rolls left or right, he almost constantly has his eyes downfield looking to make plays in the passing game rather than taking off running with the ball. This often results in him getting unexpected completions, first downs, and touchdowns that are entirely the result of him escaping pressure and buying time. Watch the first TD in the Georgia game for a perfect example of this. I don't understand where this argument that Stroud can't improvise or create comes from, but it's completely inaccurate.

As a side note, I don't know where this Parris Johnson is a top 15 pick talk comes from? He must be like 19 years old or something, because on film, he grades out as a low Day 2 to high Day 3 pick. He was terrible at protecting Stroud's blindside.

People need to stop with the Harbaugh talk. He’s not coming to Indy. Let it go & move on.

Yep, and Bryce Young, too. You want another Tua? Draft the 5'10" less than 200 pounds QB. Johnny Manziel was bigger than that, and he got squished.

Johnny Manziel's problem wasn't his size, it was that he put zero effort into becoming a starting caliber NFL QB.

Burrow?? Cmon man if he was anywhere near Burrow he’d be a slam dunk for the #1 pick and it wouldn’t even be close. He’s no Burrow, Burrow shattered records and didn’t lose. Burrow is the son of a football coach. The comparison stops at Ohio State

The problem is that Ballard’s job and the team’s future is riding on getting the pick right. The way I see it is that, if you think one of them is the guy, you make whatever move is necessary to move up and guarantee you get him.

Burrow had 2 Marvin Harrison Jr.s or better at his disposal (JaMarr Chase and Justin Jefferson), and never faced a defense that allowed an average of 12.8 PPG.

Stroud should be a slam dunk for the #1 pick, I don't know why he isn't.

All I know is that Burrow was the most accurate college passer that I have ever seen.

None of the top 4 QB's in this draft are worth trading future draft picks to move up 3 spots for any of the QB's that scream bust more than franchise QB.

That pussy worked out pretty well for the Cheats, that was my only point!

He was also a coke head, which likely would have derailed things even if he was Luck’s size.

We're not talking about Trevor Lawrence here. These are not "ZOMG SIZE AND ATHLETICISM!" guys (well, Levis and Richardson are). Stroud and Young both are very advanced at reading defenses, exploiting coverages, making good decisions, moving coverage with their eyes, and throwing to the spot the receiver needs to be in with the right amount of touch on the throw. CJ Stroud is definitely worth trading up for, Bryce Young might be worth it. Levis and Richardson, 100% agree, not worth trading up for.

If Stroud is not as accurate, he's very close to it. I even saw a throw in the Georgia game where the announcer said "that ball was underthrown and the receiver had to come back for it". They then show the replay, Stroud threw the ball to an area of the field where no Georgia defender was or conceivably could get to, and only his receiver had a shot at the ball, and the receiver was able to catch it in stride on his route.

Dude, Stroud is not a can't miss generational talent. He is not worth trading any draft capitol from next year to leap frog anyone to get him. He's just not. All I will say is, I am glad you're not the GM or scout for the Colts. We would be light years away from competing for anything.

He also got Harrison knocked out of the game with a pass that shouldn’t have been thrown

You'd rather he take the sack? It was supposed to be an uncatchable ball, and Georgia's safety is lucky he didn't get flagged for targeting, he really should have been.

That was actually a damn good pass.

Please provide any evidence of your claim.

Evidence, on the internet? WTF. :eek:

There is not a single QB that is worth moving up from the 4th pick for.

The Cardinals and Bears are not taking a QB, so we've got our choice, after the Texans.

Also show me a team with the draft capital and the issue that they are not heavily invested in a franchise QB. I only see possibly Seattle if they sour on Geno Smith.

Fortunate and unfortunate. Fortunate in that there should only be one QB taken ahead us. Unfortunate in that the class we're drafting a QB from doesn't have a QB worth really going after (unless Dam is right).

Making waaaayyyyyy too much sense. :eek:

You are cherry picking footage. Hell I can make Curtis Painter look good by cherry picking highlights from selective plays. You believe what you want to believe, its your illusion. I'll believe what my eyes tell me.