Hey, maybe if we get all that extra OTA work this year, just spend three weeks running nothing but check-down plays.... couldn't hurt.

Check downs happen when you get to the end of your progression. We could take all the wr off the field so he is forced to check down. But he might just keep looking forward scanning back and forth.

Or just restructure his contract to include most of his salary dependent on completion percentage

Or YAC

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Or better yet, restructure the contract to have his salary dependent on team wins.


In 1994, the 49ers signed Rickey Jackson to a free-agent contract that had a base salary of $162,000 and a potential bonus of $838,000 ...... without the bonus, Jackson would have had to settle for that $162,000. With the bonus, Jackson would have been paid $1 Million overall.

And what was the bonus clause in Jackson's contract ??? If the 49ers made it to the Super Bowl, then Jackson would get his bonus which was more than 5 times his base salary. The 49ers won the NFC Championship that year, and Jackson got his bonus ...... if you want to see somebody be a team player, then tie up all of his bonus/incentive money into something like that and he'll be the biggest team player in the history of professional sports.

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Wentz already folds under any perceived pressure. He would crumble under the pressure of his check depending on wins. I'm betting he wouldn't respond well. He needs to go play for another team.

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I don't think that it would help, either ...... I just couldn't resist when I saw the opportunity to tell my Rickey Jackson story about him getting a bonus of more than 5 times his base salary for his team making it to the Super Bowl.

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I would go with CPOE because he gets a lot of garbage time completions.

Just in case it turns out there is no better option for the Colts, is there someone the Colts could bring in as a consultant to work with Wentz the entire off season...maybe it is not too late to salvage his career if he is willing to work his ass off and make the necessary changes!

I have seen all kinds of "experts" who claim they see the flaws in his mechanics online. Maybe we can hire one of them real cheap, as they are not employed by any NFL team yet.

I think it's the pre-snap reads that Wentz has a problem with. The great QB's have 2 plans in their heads at the LOS, and therefor immediately check down. Basically, by the time the ball is in their hands they know where they are going with it.

This is not Wentz. He has to see the play develop before deciding where to go with the ball. He makes our O-Line look much worse at pass blocking then they actually are. Although they were admittedly terrible vs the Jags.

The colts could run the ball against the jags, the o line sucked that last game. Johnny U couldnt fix that game

A reporter asked Reich if Wentz is doing pre snap reads out there and I believe Reich said no. He reads one man for RPO’s, but I’m not sure he knows what defender to read on regular plays. Like what route to choose based on the defenders reaction.

Rick Venturi called him the guy who was always the best athlete on the field so he never had to learn that stuff. He would run around like it’s playground ball and always made the plays he needed to. He always outperformed them. I played with guys like that. Didn’t put in the effort to maximize their athletiscm.

What concerns me is there doesn’t seem to be growth or learning over the years. He is who he is.

Kinda my take as well. He's like the anti-Rivers. Or for that mat the anti-Peyton. Those guys were the best at prey snap reads.

There are plenty of experts but somehow a 300lb lineman coming at you can create a memory lapse.

The few times I seen Wentz he can throw in a pocket. Might be better on a rollout.

I think we are getting closer to an era without franchise QBs.

Joe Burrow has ice water in his veins. I don’t think those sacks affected him at all. Just kept going at them.

Wentz can throw a pretty ball on the run. But he also seems to make his worst decisions on the run. Like really dumb decisions. I don’t think the guy is salvageable. Josh Allen goes to the same trainer that Pittman does in the off-season. If I saw some kinda effort out of Wentz that he was working to correct his mistakes in the off-season. I might be inclined to see him for another season. But he is probably out hunting. Dude doesn’t see anything wrong with his game.

I went to one of the Eagles fan forums (don't remember which one) after the Jacksonville loss and someone had posted almost this exact same statement there. This is apparently a known trait of Wentz. He doesn't see anything he needs to correct.

So, in other words, he's not that much different than Jeff George.

Masochism.

We're probably stuck with Wentz for next season. It's too bad Reich can't get it through his head that preparation is the key to his success. Very few QBs can process on the run. That's what makes Mahomes so damn good. In the pre-snap, he's prepared, if all hell breaks loose, he keeps his cool and usually does something incredible. Wentz like most QBs, can't do that, that's not learnable, that's God given talent. He can be more prepared, that's on him and if he is our QB next year and we see more of the same, cut him loose.

It is totally learnable. You think Manning rolled out of bed able to do pre snap reads? It was preparation, he said it himself many many times. Not all QBs will be a Manning, but they all can get a hell of a lot better. Wentz thinks he is fine, at least he did t sound like a QB who took blame in his presser. We need to win in spite of the asshole, a tall order. I agree he is our guy next year. Shitty

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This is somewhat reminiscent of the Beatles, who toiled for more than 2 years in the grungy, dilapidated clubs of Hamburg, Glasgow, and Liverpool before their ascension to stardom in 1963 and 1964. They would perform in those clubs for 8 hours a day, 6 days a week for food money. Quite often, they were eating corn flakes and milk 3 times a day.

Their level of success in the music world was one-in-a-million, but it sure as hell wasn't as simple as buying a lottery ticket and getting lucky.

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Still love the Beatles!

Multiple reports that if Brady retires the Bucs may want to trade for Wentz. I've also read that Green Bay may be interested. If you can recoup a second do we do it and if we do who is our QB? I had always felt Wentz was a two year deal with us and up to the last two games was pretty ok with that. He shit the bed so bad, especially against Jacksonville, it changed most of our minds

Please list the reports. Was one of them fro "the onion"?

Bill Barnwall ESPN clickbait.

If we can get an early round draft pick you absolutely do it and probably even if you get a late rounder. Getting to dump his $15M dead cap hit, which would put us $55M under the projected cap, is enough of a reason to make the move. Picking up a draft pick would be icing on the cake.

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1) ) Aaron Rodgers

2) ) Russell Wilson

3) ) Deshaun Watson

4) ) Jameis Winston

5) ) Kirk Cousins

6) ) Jalen Hurts

7) ) Jimmy Garoppolo

8) ) Carson Wentz

9) ) Tua Tagovailoa



Who Could Be Behind Door No. 2 for the Bucs ???

(By Rick Stroud)

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs...-for-the-bucs/

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How do you trade wentz without anyone else on the roster?

You ask a guy in the stands to take his spot, that guy without any practice and no physical training would already be more ready to throw the ball on time than Wentz. It's reached a point, you can't run it back. If for nothing else Jim can't run it back due to the overwhelming vitriol coming out of the fan base. People will start wearing brown paper bags next year, or worse yet, pretending to be invisible if Wentz is still hear next year. He MUST go.

My view will not be popular (ChoppedWood I'm looking at you) but at this point I think we should roll with Wentz next year. First, I always looked at this as a two year deal, with Wentz not reaching his potential with us until the second year. Second, JAFF your point about nobody else being on the roster is well taken by me. Third, I don't believe we are one QB away from competing for the Super Bowl. We need a pass rush, our defensive backs are not a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination, we don't have enough weapons on offensive (and don't use the ones we have-Hines). Our offensive line completely sucked in pass blocking and we are about to replace our entire (almost) defensive coaching staff. Roger/Wilson (the main guys people seem to want) are both sitting home watching the playoffs. They were incapable of doing it with their current teams and I see nothing in our roster that would indicate that the exact same thing would not happen here. On top of all of this there is a kind of insanity to changing your QB each and every year, continuity is needed to win consistently. Wentz is a knucklehead. Knuckleheads can win in the NFL.

I was firmly in his corner until Jax. Even the Raiders game I sort of attached to the whole team being overly confident and just sort of taking one for granted. After Jax, I just can't see them keeping him. That's an ALL-TIME stinker and you can tell Jim is super ticked. To me, Jim is so ticked that someone among the three of Ballard, Reich, and Wentz has to hit the street and I don't see him parting with either of the first 2. IMO that tweet from the other night was a rather Irsayesque way of telling Frank and Chris it's their job to get a better QB in here STAT and that he feels like he was whamboozled with the pitch of Wentz being a solid rehab project and he wants to see action NOW. Good for him because I am heading towards a landing spot that Ballard and Reich are Grigs and Chuck 2.0 - which sucks! We appear to be in year 5 of a 55 year rebuild. Seeing the Rams do what they have done, gonna shoot their shot for the Lombardi tomorrow and we didn't even get in the derby, I think Irsay is going to demand Wentz be removed to set a clear tone for EVERYONE in the org that things better change and they better change quick.

I get being pissed after the Jax game. How about being pissed that Kelly was the third worst center in the league in pass blocking (he also was that before his tragedy) or that we were like 30th in pass blocking. Overall our defense was ok but we sucked on 3rd downs and really sucked in the 4th quarter. Whoever is our QB next year it won't be a 'franchise' QB and even if it was we had one for two decades and got one Super Bowl our of it. The two we won we had a mediocre QB (against Dallas Unitas was a shell of himself and nobody would claim Earl Morrall was a frachise QB, we beat Chicago in a freaking downpour where QB play was minimized). And as for the Jax game, if the freaking defense had not let a rookie QB walk down the field and gain confidence immediately who knows how things would have turned out. Wentz was shit, I don't like him at all but you need to get rid of almost the entire team if you want to clean house of people who shit the bed in Jacksonville. I'm not claiming this is a good option, but to me it sucks less than the alternatives. Not happy at all where we are.

It wasn't just the Jagoffs game. Wentz was for the most part really bad over the last 10 games of the season (I put a nice summary of each of those games in the Wentz or Darnold thread). His shitty play was just overshadowed by a great run game and a win streak.

A good QB would make a lot of our offensive woes go away. Wentz sucks at pre-snap reads, his pocket presence is horrible, and he also sucks at his progressions which makes him hold onto the ball for far too long. A QB who was good at those things would make a world of difference in our pass blocking.

Also, while we do need to upgrade our receivers, our current ones aren't that bad as evidenced in Warner's analysis. Wentz is just too fucking stupid to throw the ball to open receivers. And when by chance he does throw to an open receiver it's usually high or behind them, never leading them. Again, a QB who actually throws to open receivers and is capable of leading them with their throws will make a world of difference.

Maybe going after an ageing franchise QB right now isn't the best move, but if we can get somewhat at least decent then we'd probably at least win the division and be solidly in the playoffs.

Good write up, you make a good argument for dumping him. I think there is an equally good argument for giving it another year-neither one excites me. We find ourselves stuck in a river a shit without any paddle because we decided to roll with Wentz.

Colts got their stud QBs by being really bad. It's all about timing.

Mediocre and below mediocre is hard to get out of. The Colts are there.

Plus we would have no idea how the coaching would work out.

Manning and Luck didn't spend their 1st season holding a clipboard. I don't know if that trend of sitting a rookie QB actually works. It is different when they are a backup to a stud QB.