I'm saying it goes both ways, you can't tell me guys aren't laying down as a business decision feeling like the season is lost without Luck

The main reason this seasonis fucked is Luck's injury not Pagano let's be real here

Yes I can tell you that because the players making shitty plays -- like Chris Milton or TJ Green -- shouldn't be on the fucking field in the first place.

I can also tell you that because the defense literally has no idea what to do when the ball is snapped.

Or because the players are currently fighting each other.

Or because this team lacks pee wee football technique.

Or...

If Pagano was a good coach he wouldn't have to rely so heavily on Andrew Luck to win games, he should actually, you know, coach the team he has, and get them prepared to play, and hold them accountable, and not accept them lying down because they don't have Luck. Your argument is terrible if you are supporting Chuck only because he doesn't have Andrew Luck.

I honestly think both share culpability. Grigson and Pags put together a talent poor roster that cannot be corrected in one year. Grigson must take most of the blame for that. Pags must shoulder the blame for who he chooses to play each week as well as how much time they see the field and in what role. Execution on the part of the players has been poor for the most part. They must carry that responsibility but certainly any decent coach recognizes execution is also a reflection of coaching, good or bad. It seems quite obvious to me that there are both a lack of in game adjustments as well as player accountability and that rests squarely on the coaches shoulders. Undeniably this is a better team with Luck under center but it would also be undeniable that this team would be far better off with most current NFL coaches were they on our sideline. My opinion has not changed, Irsay should have gotten rid of both Grigson AND Pagano last year. Removing the undesirables on the roster will take some more time but Pags should be gone already. Based on your posts I imagine we will have to agree to disagree.

At least paGONEnow didn't blow another halftime lead

Nope.... He just blew

That makes it Pagano's job to keep the team. These are professional athletes making a shitload of money!

With Luck we're still shit.... not even good shit, we're runny loose hungover binged on White Castle shit...

And instead of Luck on the sideline he is getting the sh** beat out of him.

tell that to hooker.