Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 324534)

I can't fucking read, you're right; My bad.

I genuinely see more Addai in the guy, personally. I do not really see how he compares to Taylor.

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 324554)

I know JT was a shit head, and he definitely had some costly, untimely fumbles for us... and his pass blocking is not there.

But the good outweighs the bad by a lot. His vision and patience is really good, he's big and downhill on contact, and nobody can catch him if he hits a crease. Rewatch even last year's tape. He had 1400+yds in 14 games. Only two others were better.

I'm not anxious to lose him, although I do like the young guy the more I watch him.

Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 324528)

But his pure running skills are right up there with anyone in the NFL to ever have played the game.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 324530)

I couldn't care less. Let's just agree to disagree. Hope Giddens beats JT out for RB1 this year.

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 324553)

Piqued my interest regarding fumble stats, so I looked it up. Fumble rate is apparently not conveniently aggregated, but I found this list of NFL RB's with 3000+ career rush attempts and how many fumbles they had:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/low...-3000-attempts

If you do the math:

• Curtis Martin was a freak, fumbling once every 121 attempts.
• Ladainian Tomlinson was next best at once every 102 attempts.
• Jerome Bettis once every 85 attempts
• Frank Gore once every 81 attempts.
• Barry Sanders once every 75 attempts.
• Emmitt Smith once every 72 attempts.
• Edgerrin James once every 69 attempts.
• Adrian Peterson once every 66 attempts.
• Walter Payton and Marcus Allen were worst, fumbling once every 45 and 46 attempts respectively.

If you do the math on JT, he's got 13 total fumbles on 1228 carries. Meaning he fumbles once every 94 attempts, which would be good for third on this list. Even if he gets worse in the latter part of his career, he probably ends up in the range of Sanders, Smith, James, and Peterson at worst.

Just to give an idea.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 324580)

Thanks Chaos. I was going to actually do something similar w/ RBs from the 2024 season, but this is a better list.



Not disagreeing with JT being a below average receiver and really bad at pass pro, but as the stats show you're clearly wrong on your ball security take. Unless you believe that the 8 HOFers/Future HOFers on the list Chaos posted also had ball security issues.

Also, as UK pointed out you can cherry pick bad plays by almost any player in NFL history like you're doing w/ JT. Take for example Edge, who we all love for good reason. But he did have some REALLY bad fumbles that cost the Colts big time on multiple occasions. Most notably he lost 2 fumbles in the red zone (one of which was at the goal line) at the Cheats in '04 in a 3 point loss that gave those MFers HFA over us in the playoffs. He also lost a fumble at the goal line in a 3 point loss to Mia his rookie year. I believe he also lost a fumble @NE in OT that year as well which set up their game winning FG.



That's just Dam being Dam. He was of the opinion that JT would have fumbling issues after we drafted him, and he'll take that opinion to the grave whether he's wrong about it or not like every one of his takes.

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 324553)

Piqued my interest regarding fumble stats, so I looked it up. Fumble rate is apparently not conveniently aggregated, but I found this list of NFL RB's with 3000+ career rush attempts and how many fumbles they had:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/low...-3000-attempts

If you do the math:

• Curtis Martin was a freak, fumbling once every 121 attempts.
• Ladainian Tomlinson was next best at once every 102 attempts.
• Jerome Bettis once every 85 attempts
• Frank Gore once every 81 attempts.
• Barry Sanders once every 75 attempts.
• Emmitt Smith once every 72 attempts.
• Edgerrin James once every 69 attempts.
• Adrian Peterson once every 66 attempts.
• Walter Payton and Marcus Allen were worst, fumbling once every 45 and 46 attempts respectively.

If you do the math on JT, he's got 13 total fumbles on 1228 carries. Meaning he fumbles once every 94 attempts, which would be good for third on this list. Even if he gets worse in the latter part of his career, he probably ends up in the range of Sanders, Smith, James, and Peterson at worst.

Just to give an idea.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 324584)

JT may not fumble often, but when he does, it costs the team the game or possibly the season.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 324584)

JT may not fumble often, but when he does, it costs the team the game or possibly the season.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 324586)

Do you think Edge had fumbling issues since he cost the Colts multiple games and HFA in the playoffs ???

Or what about Jerome Bettis ??? He would have cost the Steelers a Super Bowl if Nick Harper's wife wouldn't have stabbed him in the league the night before our playoff game.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 324556)

Because Addai's shiftiness never made people miss. Taylor's does.