I think I can give you a better example. Tom Landry didn't win a game with the Cowboys until their 15th game, spanning 2 seasons. He also did not have a winning season or take the team to the playoffs until his 7th season as HC, 1966.

Obviously no owner is going to be that patient today. But 7 years seems like an awful lot of time to learn on the job.

Let me add that I have always hated the Cowgirls, but Landry was a class act. Jones fired him, so I don’t like him, either.

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Good example.

Also, Jimmy Johnson ...... the Cowboys were 1-15 in his first season as their head coach in 1989.

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Huge difference between now and the 1960’s, there was no free agency. John McCay from USC had three terrible years and finally made the playoffs around the time the NFL opened up free agency.

I don't think you can count Landry. The Cowboys were a brand new team, most of the players were cast offs from the other franchises. Everyone knew they would be a horrible team. Quality old time coach. Hard ass from the get go. Their first draft choice, Bob Lilly, set the tone I didn't hate them at first. Took time.

Could say the same thing about McCay. People knew he could coach, he has cast offs for players.

Then he fleeced the Vikings & the rest is history.

Brad Ausmus is a "finalist" for the GM job with the Houston Astros and there is a similar type of concern around here as there is with Jeff Saturday, albeit to a far lesser degree.

Ausmus spent 10 years playing for HOU, was on the '05 WS team, the owner likes him, etc. At least he's been an MLB manager, though. But guys are asking, "Would he be considered for any other GM job in the league outside of the place he played with the owner that he has a relationship with?".

I think you have to think that way about Saturday, obviously.

What QB doesn't look good against the Colts?

He moved well, and he was putting the ball on the numbers. He runs well, which he would need if he signed with the Colts

If Saturday gets the HC gig, the Colts, and Irsay, will be officially crowned the court jesters of the NFL !! It would not surprise me if the top QB's in this years draft pull an Elway on them !!!!