I’m firmly in the camp that Luck could’ve played yesterday. This is just him taking an abundance of caution because preseason really doesn’t matter.

Aaaaand it just keeps getting better. Now he’s dealing with a “small little bone” issue in his foot.

Uhhh, say what? I thought it was a calf strain? Are both his calf and his foot injured?

This is exactly like 2017. It’s more serious than they would have us believe.

At this point, I expect to hear about Luck undergoing surgery any day now.

All we have is a vague comment from Irsay about it, who knows how high he was when he said it.

While I'm not a gynecologist, there's not really any 'bone issues' no matter how "little, tiny" they are that can heal in 3 weeks.

Just feels like this organization goes around the block and down the street to do the least optimal thing when it comes to injuries...

I'm getting real close to the Anti-Andrew Luck camp. This is bullshit.

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It's probably something like an ankle spur. That's not something you can place a firm timeline on the recovery, but it's also something that you can play through. I also don't think it's fair to pin this on the Colts--Luck drives these conversations for the most part.

As I said before, I think they're just being really cautious, taking the extra time to try and alleviate as much of the discomfort as they can before the season starts. He started training camp, it flared up, and now they're treating it to minimize the impact on the season. That's exactly what they should do under the circumstances.

The guy played a full season with a torn labrum and people think he won't play Week 1 with discomfort in his ankle?

On DD it was just said that his issue is this:
https://www.healthline.com/health/my...cans#diagnosis

Basically an injury, blood pools, and essentially extra bone begins to grow where it shouldn't be.

Now, if this is the case, in the foot, not a doctor but I would think this is a surgery case and if so, he's missing some games. Ironically they also said that as of yesterday he was not in a boot... WTF???

If this ends up being the case, and it took 4+ months for these people to figure this out and he has to have surgery now, a couple weeks before the season. Every single pathetic SOB on that medical / training staff should be shit canned. Immediately go to the local Walgreens e-Med clinic, hire those folks as an immediate upgrade of the position.

If it turns out this too stems from a snowboarding incident, then cut him too... derailing a chance at a title this season with that shit.

That's the worst possible scenario and it isn't supported by all of the facts. The part of your post in bold should have set off your BS detector.

It's most likely a simpler injury like an ankle spur.

I had a HS track kid with this last season. It took a couple of months for her to get healed up, but then was herself after that. I'm not too worried.

I'm guessing he's back out there next week (light workload). They don't want him out there against live fire (Cleveland), so might as well take one extra week of precaution.

Oh well if Dan DAKICH said it!!!

The one thing the Colts are masters at is misinformation and bullshit!! I am beginning to think that Luck is going to miss significant time, I hope I’m wrong.

Still not worried

he is playing week one.

Stop overreacting. Cut him? Are you serious? That is idiotic.

Because that sure would show him who's boss. He would be unemployed for...15 seconds. And the cap hit would kill the Colts. And this season, and until they found another guy who can really play QB at a high level.

As I posted last week, he got a report from some "reporter", I think it was Daniel Wilson was the name, claiming it wasn't the calf and that he was out for at least the 1st three weeks with an ankle tied to snow boarding (so far none of that seems to be confirmed...). Could have been any radio / tv guy that said it over the air, just happened to be DD and it was allegedly him just reporting what this other guy was reporting.

Today he was saying it's this Mayo whatever issue, apparently supposed to be the same thing Brock and Diem had while here. Him making up crap, him reporting crap, don't know, just posted what was said.

In terms of cutting him, I love the dude, think he is at the very top of the QB ranks, but still yet to see a pass completed that was thrown from the training table. I'm not saying this is the cause, have no idea, but there was a lot of smoke around the shoulder for a year or so before it came out that he hurt it snow boarding... only point there is, to be the best, to win titles, you gotta be on the field and if you have a repeated history of being hurt off the field and that hurts the team- what the hell good are you at that point?

Yeah, cut him, because we'll REALLY have a chance at a championship without him. :rolleyes: Ridiculous.

So if he doesn't play we have no chance of winning it all. Yeah I think I agree with that, and I actually like JB's game.

Look man, if it turns out he stepped wrong, got stepped on, whatever in OTA's in April, so be it, if he has to miss he has to miss. If he F'd it up doing the same shit as before that cost the team a full season without him- dude this is the once in a generation (well 2nd consecutive for us)- you can't be losing games, and as loaded as we appear to be, a potential SB season, to a snowy mountain is all I am getting at. That's just dumb, and this guy is supposed to be Einstein level smart...

Time will tell. With any luck (no pun intended) it turns out like Race's example and in a couple weeks this is all behind him...

If the injury is what Space Jim Irsay was talking about, it's a case of shit happens. He could have had that happen missing a step on the stairs

It was the comment itself that makes me wonder. “I have no doubt that Andrew will GET THROUGH this”. Not heal from this, “get through this”.

It’s a lot like the “space between the ears” comment he made 2 years ago.

I feel like there is more going on here than what we know. And it’s about more than a strained calf.

I'm getting a shitty feeling about this.

Uhhhhh folks, looks like whoever this is, and it could very well be some BS name created by DD to create some kind of cover for who he is getting info from.... well whatever the case it is source wise, looks like Ballard just confirmed the first part of this... Still 2 more pieces to wait and see how they pan out but if both end up being correct- well Fuck Our Season!


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-ankle-problem

Colts GM says Luck now has high-ankle problem
8:07 PM ET
Mike Wells
ESPN Staff Writer

Indianapolis Colts general manager Chris Ballard said quarterback Andrew Luck's calf strain has become a high-ankle issue.

Ballard isn't ready to say what Luck's status will be for the Week 1 game at the Chargers.

Hey GBB---- well if Chris Ballard says it it must be true!!!!

Well fuck, is it a calf, a foot, a bone, an ankle, a strain? Can we get one goddamn common answer out of this team and Luck?

Why the fuck are they still not all on the same page?

Wait, how did anything confirm Luck had another snowboarding accident lol? You picked the wrong hash mark to showboat on, dude.

Never said shit about proving it was snowboarding, nope, don't play that one GBB. Just shoving it back at you with your snide ass bullshit about how it must be true if DD says so. Now we've got the GM of the team saying it's a high ankle, which is exactly what was claimed on the show last week, whether it was DD with a fake reporter, or some snoop, what we have is confirmation from the main man that that part of it turned out true.

This aint about the source, this is about yet another F'd up incident of spun injury bullshit from this squad- which has gone on for over a decade. Someone on the inside appears to be leaking the truth...

I could smell this bs weeks ago. The local media knew something was up, but in any Colts-related discussion over the past month, they'd tip-toe around and call the whole thing a "situation" or "this kind of thing" rather than saying anything about it being an actual injury or anything that would create an air of negativity or cast doubt on the season.

Are you all still confident he could play if the game were tomorrow?!

Fuck it next man up

Well, there it is. Remember, we’ve gone from “we’re just being extra cautious”, to not being able to confirm his status for week one. All in the space of about a week.

There is no way he’s playing week one. This has obviously been serious all along, it’s just a Colts tradition to completely botch these situations in the dumbest way possible.

Now, I wait for rumors of an upcoming surgery to start floating, the team will deny it for a week or so before finally admitting it.

Our season is circling the drain right now.

This team can win without Luck

Maybe, but playoffs, nope !!

This is an 8-8 team at best without Luck.

They're already setting the table for him to miss multiple regular season games with the local TV sports shows playing a Ballard clip talking about how great Jacoby is and how teams win games all of the time without their starting QB. At least now they're admitting he's going to miss the entire preseason! By week 3 of the regular season they'll be able to admit he's likely to miss a few games.

That's what I am waiting for now, when do they conceded regular season games going to be missed. If that announcement comes as "at least 3 games", then I am going to side with this "Daniel Wilson" that it wasn't football and it was snow boarding. That would be two of the three things "he" reported coming to fruition- at that point with the organization confirming those things, gotta believe the other is true as well- and if so, man that is going to piss me off! This team is primed to do huge damage with him at the wheel this year, without him for 3-5 games, we're at best a WC team and we are NOT getting HFA and without that, we aren't doing SHIT other than wasting another year of this faux tiger's prime.

I don’t think it’s that bad. They just don’t want to expose him to the Browns pass rush. Assuming they’re not wearing the red jersey.

I think Luck will be out there week one, he is just being overly cautious. I think this is starting to suffer from too much media speculation and over saturation.

Jeff Swartz was just on CC, they played the audio from Ballard yesterday. It sounds ominous- he specifically says "that needs to be addressed". This article says surgery is not believed necessary- we'll see if that holds given Ballard's statement of the thing that needs to be "addressed".

Regardless, this sounds like a 4 month long hatchet job on the actual diagnosis. Had to go to a specialist recently to get this diagnosis- are you F'ing kidding me???? 4 MONTHS go by.... 4 F'ing months! Disgusting! Fire the entire training staff, all of them NOW!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ighankle-issue

I am going to be optimistic with you here. It really depends on when the injury occurred. Piece a couple things together and Luck spilled the beans about two weeks ago when he said on July 31:

“I say lower leg because I feel pain in my ankle area and calf-strain,” Luc told reporters Tuesday. “I guess I’ll get a little specific – I’ve had images, X-rays and everything. My Achilles is not an extra risk. There is no tear or swelling or anything that’s indicated. So, it’s a calf-strain and we’re on our feet a lot.”

Key here is that pain in the ankle area AND calf-strain, as if two separate issues. Also, he mentions xrays and images separately. If were talking about a soft tissue injury like a calf strains, an xray would privde no insight into such. If you are getting an xray, there is a bone injury or they are looking for a bone injury.

Bone injuries take between 6-8 weeks to heal, as long as they are healing and don't need to be re-injured through surgery. If he doesnt require surgery, it's been healing for at least 2 weeks and he will be back around week 2-3. If he does require surgery, he will miss at least half the season.

Will Carroll explains "Myositis Ossificans"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV5G_vCY1rA

:cool:

Well I still am not going to overreact about this.

If he misses games to start the season, so be it. Get him healthy for later in the year.

Its hard to play armchair doctor and know what has happened, and especially with limited info. Just hope now that there seems to be a reason for him not improving they can treat it and get him better

If there is a chance he is not ready for the season though they need to start considering if Brissett or Kelly is the better one to be the starter week one. I am sure they prefer Brissett, he has been with the team, started before and is the "back up". But he looked awfully bad last week.

Will be interested to see how they compare in coming weeks in preseason
. And really just get walker off the damn field now, what a waste of roster space and game time.

At least now we have a reason to be interested in the preseason.

I am not taking the "Sky is falling and all is lost!!" for the year mentality though even if Luck is not ready week one.

Maybe they are looking for a bone spur, or maybe they are exploratory. I do know that doctors will pile on tests in order to figure something out. Partly because we live in a litigious society and they don't want to expose themselves to negligence. Luck has said he has played with way worse. I think the Colts want to get out of camp with as few injuries as possible and I think Luck cares more about week 1 than camp reps. I guess we will see, but I do think with the lack of other news this fills the vacuum, and that leads to conjecture and conspiracy theories.

Hopefully this isn't the case, I guess we will see.

So now they are no longer talking about ossification, it doesn't seem, but some sort of high ankle issue - I presume that can only mean some sort of sprain of one of the anterior ligaments...?
But there's also talk of it being a form of cumulative trauma disorder, which seems inconsistent with a mere ligament sprain.
From Ballard last night:
"From the start, he’s been dealing with a calf injury, all in March and through camp. He was dealing with a calf, and then a little area below his calf, which Andrew kind of referred to as a lower leg (two weeks ago), where he was feeling some pain, kind of in the ankle area. The injury wasn’t getting better. He hasn’t been practicing. So in the course of dealing with this calf injury, it appears now we’ve got an ankle issue. Because the injury wasn’t getting better, we wanted to explore the area around the lower leg, that Mr. Irsay was referring to as the bone. It’s called the os trigonum. We thought that might have something to do with it. But after last night, after Mr. Irsay spoke, that doesn’t appear to be the issue, so we shifted our focus to another area. We tested his ankle yesterday (Monday) with a scan. He went and saw a specialist. And it led us to an area on the front of the ankle that needs to be addressed. It’s kind of high ankle-ish. And that’s potentially referring to the posterior pain he’s getting in the posterior ankle, up by the calf and that’s why it’s happening. We’ve been treating the calf all along and even treating the lower part of this and then getting the test done on the os trigonum, to make sure that wasn’t the issue, which we don’t think it is right now, led us to the front of the ankle.”

It's not clear whether Ballard is speaking out his ass when discussing the cumulative aspect or whether this is something one of the doctors might have suggested:
“I think it’s a cumulative thing through the years. Andrew has had some ankle issues, with his left one, for a while. I think it’s just kind of a cumulative thing. I think (the previous ankle issues) exasperated the cumulative effect.”