Sure looks like we should go after this guy. Offer him 2 year $20M with incentives and see if he counters.

I really wanted to see a DT in the draft.

So Chappie said on JMV's show today that the Colts have interest, he'd be best or 2nd best on the D-Line next to Houston, and of course the money's there, yet he doesn't think the Colts will go "that high" on a one year contract. He didn't say a number specifically.

What the hell does it matter what his number is for one year?! Are they afraid of angering one of the "good enough" guys who assume they're starting as of this moment? Even if you go stupid high at 13, 14 mil--what's it matter on a one year deal?! Yes, of course, he has to want to come here, but if they're balking at some number it's settling for an ok lineup when the opportunity is there to improve it. Even if the season crashes and burns--is anyone laying the blame at a one year contract? Maybe if he scores the winning touchdown for the other team in the final game, sure, beyond that? Please.

Especially if he leaves 40+ million in the bank... yeah why not get him in here on a one year?

McCoy says he wants to join a winner....... So wtf is he visiting the Browns for? Who haven't won shit in a very long time. Yeah they are a hyped team but have not proved anything.

These guys kill me... they say they want to win but Money talks lol.

I’d want to talk to the HC, DC, and GM, before talking money. Face to face, but thats just me

Guys on the Browns started recruiting him immediately, if it’s that simple for him just go to New England like all the other ring chasing vets

Money is still important, lets be realistic. Its his body thats paying for this, and hes good enough to command top dollar

McCoy left Cleveland without a deal, perhaps he considered that they haven't done shit as well ??? :cool:

Guess he didnt buy into their hype. :cool:

He is headed to baltimore next, I cant find any press that says he is even going To be talking to Indy. There si rumore press that he has rec'd 11M offers, but is being patient as he wants to go anywhere they can win.

Such an obvious good idea, Ballard will likely bail and then show me in 12 months why my ideas were so stupid.

I’m certainly no expert on this technique stuff but have read he is a 3 technique. We supposedly need a 1 technique. I think I understand that one plays center/guard gap and three plays guard/tackle gap, For those that know, exactly how interchangeable are they? Would that make him less desirable and therefore not worth as much money to Ballard? Thanks in advance

I’m for having the conversation, but I cant blame Ballard if he passes. We may have all the cap numbers, but ballard has a long term plan. It takes discipline to see it through and not step out side the plan.

I see this and I’m reminded of Booger McFarland. I dont know how close the Colts are, they wont surprise anyone this year. This is the guy who can get some big stops on some of those tough road games this coming year.

I don't think that McCoy being a 3-tech makes him less desirable to the Colts and Ballard. But, it would create somewhat of a logjam of sorts at that spot with Autry and Lewis ling up there now.

I think that Eberflus could find a meaningful way to get all 3 of them snaps though, especially on 3rd down.

So my point is that he is probably with more to some team that has no options at the 3 technique. How much money do we want to invest in that position?

12.75 million.

Not a dime more.

Man, it's dead in here in the off-season. Did JAFF and omaha finally get a room so they could bang it out?

Nope, he's not worth the effort.

Your admitting to making an effort?:eek:

No hes not worth an effort.

Better

Gay

It's a power vs quickness thing. 3-tech is Ina 1-on-1 situation, with room to maneuver. 1-tech is asking for a double-team and in the center of line.

So one of the things that was odd about our defense last year, as I recall, is that we played a lot of games with 2 1-techs at the same time. That's both DTs on either side of the center. I didn't have the time to really look at why, but my hunch is Eberflus can tinker the system to work with whatever talent he has available.

All of our DTs played 1-tech last year even though most (Autry, Hunt, Lewis and others) aren't suited for it. Grover Stewart and Al Woods are the two that were obvious 1-techs. They're going lighter on D-line like the old Dungy days.

Which makes it puzzling to be quivering over a mil or two above what the team would like to pay, assuming he's that much of an upgrade over what is on the roster. The stated goal was to improve the lines, so pay up or shut up.

I'm not sure it matters in this D. They don't play with Paganos D, which was three guys being blocking sponges and taking on double teams. Every guy has a gap, lineman and linebackers and out side contain may be achieved with the corners. They don't have a guy who's goal is to take on blockers. You get in a gap and you go, mess up the blocking angles. BTW, if you got a really talented guy, it doesn't matter about technique. JJ Watt is a problem what ever your scheme is.

When they put both DT's in the A gaps they were penetrating and screwing up teams blocking schemes. Dungys D in Tampa worked so well because he had a great player at each level. Sapp on the line, Brooks at W LB and Lynch at safety. You get a McFarland, you have two guys pushing the pocket back into the QB's face. It was designed to beat the West Coast O. Mess up the QB's footwook.

What the Colts did last year was to fill both A gaps and get the QB off his spot with out great talent. Put a McCoy in the A gap, he may create a double team without any scheming. Now you have a one on one with the other DT or a lane if you really want to blitz.

He is saying he is going to go where he can win
He views the Bengals as a team on the rise.:confused:

He is going to visit the Ravens( at least they have won a SB)

But the Browns and Bengals ? If winning is what is most important it's hard to take him serious when he is considering the Browns and Bengals as options. 2 teams that never even sniff the playoffs much less a SB.

I am not in for McCoy. While I'm excited about this team, there are way to many question marks with the young players we have. That is what makes this so exciting for me, the idea of watching players develop. The veterans we have on the line are enough for me. Unless the guy is the 'final piece' I want to see what the young guys can do. I also think that it helps with attitude for the young players to see that they are not going to be automatically replaced by older vets. Now if we sign him I am sure that, as a fan, my tune will change. This is one place where being consistent is not a worry

But can he, and how often did teams double team him last season? Imo, this is the key to whether or not McCoy is worth 12-13 million.

Because at that figure he has to bring something to the table that Autry and Lewis do not. I'm not sure that is the case?

In fairness, by that logic, does Funchess offer us anything $10-13M that Inman at $1.4M wouldn't have?

Ballard has shown the willingness to burn cap space in that area, so I think it would make sense that he'd be willing to ditch his austere approach at the DT spot for McCoy v. Lewis/Autry.

Well, I'm predicting 10+ TD's for Funchess. We were never going to get that out of Inman. Also Funchess is 5 years younger, so there is upside there.

I have no problem with Ballard burning the cap space, even if it's for 2 years. But again, McCoy has got to be a clear upgrade over what we already have to convince Ballard to do that.

You're quite a bit more bullish on Funchess than I am. Hey, I hope you're right and I'm wrong! I can't claim to have studied him in particular with the Panthers, more that I'm aware of Panthers' fans hatred of him and in Carolina games I've watched he's certainly never stood out.

And apparently more bearish on McCoy than I am (or are you just more optimistic about Autry/Lewis?)

Well he has been on the bucs forever so his standards are not high. Everybody likes the browns, they are winning the media. But they will have to clip that buzz soon, they haven’t won anything and are gonna get big heads.

I think we are lacking a little beef up front. So I’m wondering if we line up say against Seattle or New England. Can we hold up against a game plan that wants to run all day long. I know the titans and jaguars are looking at us that way. That is how I see NE attacking us. It’s how they are built currently with two young backs. I know everyone is worried about pass rush, but I am kind worried about our lack of size. Can we hang in December in the cold against a team determined to run through the 4th quarter?

I wouldn't say that I'm more bearish on McCoy. I just have not seen enough of his recent play to determine what value he has. So strictly basing it on his stats, the production is not there. If someone can say that they've watched a lot of his play and that he was often commanding double teams, then I will defer to that opinion.

I catch some bucs games occasionally. He is not the player he was, but I do think he could be effective in a rotation andmifht even play better than he has in recent years.

Me too, I am very concerned with how light the D is getting.

Eric Foster and Keyunta Dawson think we're getting light too. :D

www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/05/15/indianapolis-colts-ben-banogu-chris-ballard-bobby-okereke-khari-willis-patrick-mahomes/3671800002/"]http://https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/05/15/indianapolis-colts-ben-banogu-chris-ballard-bobby-okereke-khari-willis-patrick-mahomes/3671800002/

Heres what Ballard is thinking

Not sure where you fall on the scale of Omaha-to-Sherck in terms of PFF, but FWIW, PFF has him as still solidly above average and as the #28 DT:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl...ald-mccoy/5528

For reference, Autry was an above average DT but the #60 DT:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl...ico-autry/8982

I'm somewhere in between those two concerning PFF's value. Some of their stats can't be disputed, while others just seem like fluff and don't really tell you how good a player is.

I do wonder if PFF or some other site tracks how often a DL is double teamed. I believe that is valuable information and can explain why a players stats may not be what they should be.

That being said, I was happy to see in that article, that McCoy has had some success playing NT for the Bucs, that certainly adds to his value.

The link won't work for me for some reason

I mess up the link, im on a tablet. If you go back, I cleared the problem but I cant relink it. If you copy and past it in the url box it should work

Won't pay for Indystar. Cut and paste? Please?