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VeveJones007 04-10-2019 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 115923)
Exactly. Using length and strength to win is just as good as using explosion to win, maybe even better in some cases because it causes less exposure to a big play in the run game.

Also, based on where Eberflus came from, he values length and athleticism in all his DL.

Hopefully we’ll see how they feel. Tillery should be an option at 26 and maybe even 34.

FatDT 04-11-2019 11:49 AM

I'm not at all unhappy with either Eberflus or Ballard, overall I think they will likely be the best we've had in years at their positions. But I will never be convinced that getting rid of Hankins, Anderson, and Simon were good moves. I get that Hankins was a money thing moreso than scheme fit, he was as good a fit or better than Woods or Stewart. With Anderson and Simon though, they were good players that I think team leadership should've been able to utilize.

VeveJones007 04-11-2019 04:48 PM

Was listening to a podcast with Jake Arthur. He was asked what he saw as a really good, realistic scenario for the Colts with their first three picks. He said Ferrell, Simmons, and a DB at 59 like Darnell Savage, Rock-Ya Sin, or Deandre Baker.

That definitely seems realistic and would be an impressive haul.

Dam8610 04-11-2019 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116016)
Was listening to a podcast with Jake Arthur. He was asked what he saw as a really good, realistic scenario for the Colts with their first three picks. He said Ferrell, Simmons, and a DB at 59 like Darnell Savage, Rock-Ya Sin, or Deandre Baker.

That definitely seems realistic and would be an impressive haul.

That would be ideal. If you told me the Colts could have that at the beginning of the process, I'd've taken it no questions asked. If they do go DB at 59, a name I'd watch for is Juan Thornhill.

VeveJones007 04-11-2019 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116018)
That would be ideal. If you told me the Colts could have that at the beginning of the process, I'd've taken it no questions asked. If they do go DB at 59, a name I'd watch for is Juan Thornhill.

Also makes me wonder how open Ballard would be to trading down if he could get an early 2nd and another early pick in Rd 3 coming back. Then he could conceivably come out of Day 2 with top 100 players at DE, DL, S, CB, and WR.

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 10:50 AM

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File this nugget away for Friday night of the draft: There is considerable buzz from opposing teams that the Indianapolis Colts could target a wide receiver at No. 34 overall.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 12:15 PM

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@TylerDBrooke
Hearing that the #Colts are VERY HIGH on Boston College iOL Chris Lindstrom.

Sounds like keeping Andrew Luck upright is still a priority for this front office and coaching staff.
But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

Dam8610 04-12-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116060)
But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

Of course they're high on Lindstrom, he's an athletic guard and they seem to like those. I suppose I'd be okay with him at 59, but I think he'll be gone by then. I hope they don't pop him at 34.

Chromeburn 04-12-2019 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116060)
But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

There was some other guard they liked as well. I want to say He was from Duke. I’ll have to look it up again.

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116052)
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

Adding to this, a Bleacher Report podcast today said the Colts, Titans, and Raiders have been looking hard at Marquise Brown. That being said, does anyone else get the impression that this scouting staff looks hard at everybody? They seem to leave no stone unturned.

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116061)
Of course they're high on Lindstrom, he's an athletic guard and they seem to like those. I suppose I'd be okay with him at 59, but I think he'll be gone by then. I hope they don't pop him at 34.

Agree. You can find and develop athletic guards from later in the draft.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-12-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116065)
That being said, does anyone else get the impression that this scouting staff looks hard at everybody? They seem to leave no stone unturned.


I agree.

FWIW, of the teams he has visited, Brian Burns thought the Colts have displayed the most interest so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...h-brian-burns/

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 02:39 PM

S/CB Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is visiting the Colts today.

Chromeburn 04-12-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116052)
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

Mis-information, can’t trust anything you hear right now. They could go WR, RB, Dline, Secondary. Lots to choose from. But at 34 should be most the the receivers on the board. I see a run in the 2nd on WRs since I don’t predict many, if any at all, going in the first.

Chromeburn 04-12-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 116072)
I agree.

FWIW, of the teams he has visited, Brian Burns thought the Colts have displayed the most interest so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...h-brian-burns/

Seahawks want to trade down. I just don’t see him making it to 26, or making it past Baltimore really.

VeveJones007 04-12-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 116078)
Seahawks want to trade down. I just don’t see him making it to 26, or making it past Baltimore really.

Could all be moot if the Dolphins take him at 13.

Chromeburn 04-12-2019 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116079)
Could all be moot if the Dolphins take him at 13.

Yup, I can see him really coveted by 3-4 teams. I think Jaylon Ferguson is more realistic for us. Or Omenihu in the 2nd, or even the TCU guys later on.

Ferrel seems all over the place. but come draft day I have a hard time seeing him fall either.

HoosierinFL 04-15-2019 03:13 PM

Here is the big full mock draft conducted at reddit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...lac/edit#gid=0

They assembled GMs and war rooms for each team and did a full mock, with trades and all.
Here's a summary of what the Colts did:
TRADE - Colts trade 1.26 to Bills for 2.40, 4.112, 2020 2nd Round Pick

We didn't like any of the players left on board at 26 (and I'm a big proponent of trading down from our spot as any player I think the Colts would target will be there at 34. We had dueling offers from Arizona and the Bills, but Bills came back with the 2020 2nd and that sealed the deal.

Round 2, Pick 34 - Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

We got a player on our board that we really liked. He is the best 1T in the draft and we got him in the 2nd round. Entire WR was thrilled with this pick. We actually had a slew of targets available to us, but we settled on our biggest need and the clear best player at the position. Very happy with this one.

Round 2, Pick 40 - A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss

This pick was a bit debated in what we wanted, but we ended up not wanting to pass on arguably the best WR in the draft at pick 40. The Colts have met with him and he provides Slot/Outside versatility and is a great overall player. Thrilled to be getting him at pick 40.

Round 2, Pick 59 - Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

EDGE went very fast in this draft, and we didn't want to miss out on the best one on board. He's a great pick that can develop behind Sheard and Houston to start opposite Turay in a year. He more fits the mold of Sheard and provides us a guy with power that has some speed to him. This pick almost ended up being DeAndre Baker, but the Texans took him 4 picks before us. Still thrilled to have him.

Round 3, Pick 89 - Lonnie Johnson, CB, Kentucky

Happy about this pick too. A CB with all the tools to succeed in the NFL. Our target here was Love, but he went a few picks before us. We didn't need a CB to start immediately this year, so taking someone like Johnson that we can develop was good enough for us. He has also met with the Colts, which is another checkmark in his corner. Very pleased with this pick. Side note, we almost drafted David Montgomery here, but felt the value wasn't really there at RB to do that.

Round 4, Pick 112 - Marquise Blair, S, Utah

We were very happy with this pick. We wanted to get a S and were throwing around names, and we realized Blair was still there. He's tall, got good speed, loves to hit, and loves the game. Everything we could ask for. He played all kinds of positions for Utah, which we liked. We get a player who doesn't have to play right away, can contribute on ST, and will end up contributing at SS in the future.

TRADE Colts give 4.129, Washington gives 5.173, 5.175, 2020 7th

We didn't have too many targets in this round and Washington offered a good value for pick 129, so we jumped on it. It ended up working out for both teams in the end.

Round 4, Pick 135 - Michael Jordan, G/T, Ohio State

We all wanted some OL depth and were glad someone like him fell. He gives us Tackle and Guard versatility, and gives us more depth on the OL. Great pick here for us.

Round 5, Pick 164 - Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffallo

We really wanted to come out of this draft with a backup QB to develop for when Brissett leaves. We all love us some Brisket, but he deserves an opportunity to start somewhere and that wasn't going to happen here. Jackson gives us a QB with some potential to develop, and Reich is the guy to do that. We were scared he'd go in the 4th, but getting him in the mid 5th is a steal for us.

Round 5, Pick 173 - Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple

Really happy with this one. We wanted another RB with some power behind him, and we got that in Armstead. He always falls forward, and is willing to push the pile. He's got good feet and vision, and is reliable in the run game. Great pick for us and should be a good contributor in the RBBC for us.

Round 6, Pick 175 - Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech

We really wanted some LB depth in this draft, and Allen is a good player. He's had some issues, but I believe that is all past him and he's a talented player. He'll contribute on ST off the bat and can potentially come in and compete for starting reps at SAM.

Round 6, Pick 199 - Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame

This is more of a developmental pick than anything. We don't have any TE under contract after next year, and I have a feeling one of Doyle or Ebron is going to be leaving. I'm not sold on any of the other players we have as long term starters, so we take a player here who has potential to develop into something serviceable as a TE2.

Round 7, Pick 240 - David Sills V, WR, West Virginia

We were shocked he made it here. Doubling up on WR just made sense, with the weak depth that we have. All about competition, and he was a reliable target for Will Grier at his time in WV. Cain is a 6th round pick, Rogers is a UDFA with drop issues, Fountain couldn't crack the roster, and Pascal is nothing to write home about. More competition, and could develop into something. Great value in the 7th and couldn't pass it up.

YDFL Commish 04-15-2019 04:21 PM

That would be a terrible draft.

HoosierinFL 04-15-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 116256)
That would be a terrible draft.

Yea, I'd say worthy of a B- grade at best. Likely production coming from the first 2 picks, with everyone else being depth or developmental. Certainly underwhelming compared to the impact of last year's draft class.

Chromeburn 04-15-2019 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 116256)
That would be a terrible draft.

Yea he not a fan of that draft. Tyree has a cannon for an arm and... well that’s about all he has. Michael Jordan was good value, and A.J. Brown I like. Armsteas might be on the Colts radar. But overall kind of meh.

VeveJones007 04-16-2019 06:27 PM

It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

Luck4Reich 04-16-2019 06:41 PM

I just saw the one that has Ballard trading back and selecting Abram.

I dont know enough to comment but I would like some more front 7... I know Ballard likes his picks so I can see him trying to get more.

If Burns is there Ballard wouldnt trade.

VeveJones007 04-16-2019 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116404)
It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

Just to clarify, Matt Delaney’s podcast today was the straw that broke the camel’s back. He was reviewing Rd 1 picks across mocks and he had me screaming in my car. He didn’t have a negative word to say about Lawrence, but had critiques on Abram, Ferrell, Simmons, and several WRs, all of whom would be significantly better picks than Lawrence.

VeveJones007 04-16-2019 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116409)
I just saw the one that has Ballard trading back and selecting Abram.

I dont know enough to comment but I would like some more front 7... I know Ballard likes his picks so I can see him trying to get more.

If Burns is there Ballard wouldnt trade.

Agree on Burns. While I still think the pick will end up being DL or DE, I could see some scenarios with Abram that I would be happy with assuming Ballard grabs a good DT and DE in Rd 2 at 34 and 59. Maybe Ferguson or Winovich and Jones.

apballin 04-16-2019 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116404)
It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

Who says he’s a 2 down DT?

He’s a monster and I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him but watching the colts draft series I’m not sure if he fits the character they’re looking for

Coltsalr 04-16-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116404)
It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

After Ballard has dumped Hankins/Anderson I think he’s over sensitive, if anything, to DL’s not being proper scheme fits.

I’d be very surprised if Lawrence is drafted. I really can’t imagine he’d be drafted with that in mind. I’d have to assume that Ballard sees something else in him that nobody else (us certainly included) sees. But for a guy that’s 342 pounds, what the hell other fit could there possibly be.

But yeah, safe to say, I don’t see Ballard doing it, for better or worse. I’d argue for better in this instance.

Luck4Reich 04-16-2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116404)
It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

I want the DK Metcalf at 26 to stop too... Fuck that guy!

Puck 04-16-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116418)
I want the DK Metcalf at 26 to stop too... Fuck that guy!

A WR with the first? You’re fucking nuts dude

Luck4Reich 04-16-2019 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 116421)
A WR with the first? You’re fucking nuts dude

Did you read my post? Lol......

I said FUCK that guy and the mock drafts suggesting him.. understand now? Lol

Luck4Reich 04-16-2019 09:40 PM

I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

VeveJones007 04-16-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 116412)
Who says he’s a 2 down DT?

He’s a monster and I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him but watching the colts draft series I’m not sure if he fits the character they’re looking for

2nd or 3rd and long, you’re playing Lawrence over two of Autry/Lewis/Hunt/Ward?

Drafting Lawrence would be like trading a 1st for Jordan Howard.

JAFF 04-16-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116423)
I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

Thanks, im not going to unsee that post.

Puck 04-16-2019 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116423)
I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

My bad. My blood boils thinking we take a WR the first. Or the people who think it’s the right thing to do. So I jumped the gun.

And yes I drink. Who doesn’t ha

Luck4Reich 04-16-2019 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 116429)
My bad. My blood boils thinking we take a WR the first. Or the people who think it’s the right thing to do. So I jumped the gun.

And yes I drink. Who doesn’t ha

Lol... no worries... Way too many mocks has us taking a WR and it's stupid. Thank God Grigson is gone. I think he might.

Discflinger 04-17-2019 01:50 AM

Interesting points.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q62Wo_iyCUM

VeveJones007 04-17-2019 09:51 AM

Joel Erickson with a good write up on the DT position. I’m particularly grateful he didn’t list He Who Must Not Be Named.

Chromeburn 04-17-2019 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116426)
2nd or 3rd and long, you’re playing Lawrence over two of Autry/Lewis/Hunt/Ward?

Drafting Lawrence would be like trading a 1st for Jordan Howard.

What about third and short or 4th and short? Or even 3rd and 4? Of course the dedicated pass rushers come in on obvious passing downs. And he doesn’t seem to be the liability guys that size normally are.

VeveJones007 04-17-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 116464)
What about third and short or 4th and short? Or even 3rd and 4? Of course the dedicated pass rushers come in on obvious passing downs. And he doesn’t seem to be the liability guys that size normally are.

So you’d spend a 1st on a slightly better Al Woods? Or a 1st on a predominantly two-down, thumper at LB? Or a predominantly two-down, non-receiving threat at RB?

apballin 04-17-2019 07:50 PM

Not even close Al woods was a 4th round pick Lawrence is way better than your giving him credit for, if not for the talent at DT in this draft he’d be goin way earlier


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