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rm1369 04-25-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64279)
Yeah, I think that’s right. TB goes DB, Bears go Nelson.

I wonder what Oakland would offer.

Value chart says the drop is worth about 300 points. 300 points is about the value of a late 2nd. They own the 41st pick with a value of 490 points. Can’t see them offering more than that.

Spike 04-25-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 64271)
and this rumor:

According to Vic Tafur of The Athletic, the Oakland Raiders "would strongly consider" moving up from No. 10 if Chubb is still available at five or six.

If Chubb is available at 6, fuck trading down, take the man.

Indiana V2 04-25-2018 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 64295)
If Chubb is available at 6, fuck trading down, take the man.

Unless you get a boatload of picks in return and don't drop too far down in the first round.

Dam8610 04-25-2018 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 64296)
Unless you get a boatload of picks in return and don't drop too far down in the first round.

Yeah, if Chubb is there, I'd want 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65 to move down if it was the Bills.

Chromeburn 04-26-2018 03:48 AM

Have a feeling the Colts have talked to Miami and Buffalo. Either might move up if the QB they like is there. I think it’s Allen if it’s Buffalo, and maybe Mayfield for Miami. I think the Colts are a cheaper trade partner than Denver or Cleveland.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 10:27 AM

Per Rap:

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The #Saints have made plenty of calls about making a big leap up from pick No. 27, I’m told. Could be due diligence in case a certain player (perhaps a QB) falls. But they will be well-prepared to move tonight if it comes down to it.

ukcolt 04-26-2018 01:24 PM

I really don't want to move all the way down to 27, but if it was for 1st round picks next year and the following year plus an additional 2nd this year, might entertain the possibility. We could always try to trade back up in the 1st round ourselves with our 2nd rounders.

Chaka 04-26-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 64369)
I really don't want to move all the way down to 27, but if it was for 1st round picks next year and the following year plus an additional 2nd this year, might entertain the possibility. We could always try to trade back up in the 1st round ourselves with our 2nd rounders.

The Saints have Brees signed for at least two more years, so they'll probably be pretty decent for the next year or two. Given this fact, I don't think their 2019 and 2020 1st rounders are collectively comparable to our #6 pick this year, nor do I think that you're proposed trade would be as lopsided as I'd want it to be to justify a trade this year.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 01:53 PM

Tony Pauline says the Seahawks are looking to move out of Rd1 and the Browns are a likely partner.

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* The talk leading up to the start of the draft is about trades, many which won’t occur. One that could very well happen is the Seattle Seahawks getting their wish and trading out of the first round. As we suggested in our mock draft the Cleveland Browns will move up to the 18th pick and select offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey or Kolton Miller, whichever player is available. Seattle would then receive both of the Browns draft picks at the top of round two, satisfying their desire to move out of round one.
We could see the Browns end up with 4 1st round picks tonight.

#1
#12 + #22 for #4
+another 1st if they trade up from the 2nd

1965southpaw 04-26-2018 02:55 PM

Mike Wells on DD show today says scuttlebutt in Colts complex is that Ballard will take Chubb at 6 if he's still there or plan B is to take Roquon Smith. Wells says this is also consistent with Polian's advice to Colts leadership.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 64390)
Mike Wells on DD show today says scuttlebutt in Colts complex is that Ballard will take Chubb at 6 if he's still there or plan B is to take Roquon Smith. Wells says this is also consistent with Polian's advice to Colts leadership.

That's where I am as well. Don't mess around with trading down when you can add one of those two.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 03:23 PM

Daniel Jeremiah says there have been some whispers of the Colts moving up for Chubb.

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There have been whispers about the Colts potentially moving up for Chubb. There's a chance he could fall to them at No. 6.

rcubed 04-26-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64396)
Daniel Jeremiah says there have been some whispers of the Colts moving up for Chubb.

that quote seems contradictory to itself and also just dumb.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 64400)
that quote seems contradictory to itself and also just dumb.

Yeah, I don't think it's real. Maybe CLE and DEN are putting it out there as noise to BUF, MIA, and ARI.

ZiaColt 04-26-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 64390)
Mike Wells on DD show today says scuttlebutt in Colts complex is that Ballard will take Chubb at 6 if he's still there or plan B is to take Roquon Smith. Wells says this is also consistent with Polian's advice to Colts leadership.

Polian is pretty much against drafting guards in Round One as a general rule and, as good as Nelson is, there are other promising OLs who should be on the board in Rounds Two and Three (and maybe beyond).

As much as I'm intrigued by Edmunds, I fear his max value will come at or near the end of his first contract, whereas Smith (assuming his shoulder's good to go) should contribute immediately, especially in Eberflus' schemes. So Chubb if he's there or Smith (or Edmunds) works for me.

And possibly an OL, RB and CB in Round Two (in no particular order). Or a "big" WR if he's the BPA when Ballard picks.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 64402)
Polian is pretty much against drafting guards in Round One as a general rule and, as good as Nelson is, there are other promising OLs who should be on the board in Rounds Two and Three (and maybe beyond).

As much as I'm intrigued by Edmunds, I fear his max value will come at or near the end of his first contract, whereas Smith (assuming his shoulder's good to go) should contribute immediately, especially in Eberflus' schemes. So Chubb if he's there or Smith (or Edmunds) works for me.

And possibly an OL, RB and CB in Round Two (in no particular order). Or a "big" WR if he's the BPA when Ballard picks.

Agree with all this. One other thing to keep an eye on is whether or not they trade back into Rd1. Two scenarios I see:

1) Chubb at 6. Move back into Rd 1 to get a LB like LVE or Evans.
2) Smith at 6. Move back into Rd 1 to get an EDGE like Landry or Davenport.

Those two scenarios would give you two really strong building block pieces in the front seven.

Indiana V2 04-26-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64396)
Daniel Jeremiah says there have been some whispers of the Colts moving up for Chubb.

Does not compute. We traded back to get more picks, moving up would take picks.

Puck 04-26-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64403)
Agree with all this. One other thing to keep an eye on is whether or not they trade back into Rd1. Two scenarios I see:

1) Chubb at 6. Move back into Rd 1 to get a LB like LVE or Evans.
2) Smith at 6. Move back into Rd 1 to get an EDGE like Landry or Davenport.

Those two scenarios would give you two really strong building block pieces in the front seven.


Apparently LVE has failed physicals with 7 teams already

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 64407)
Apparently LVE has failed physicals with 7 teams already

This was from Tony Pauline today:

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* There continues to be misinformation floating around about Leighton Vander Esch with recent news the linebacker failed medical exams and was removed from draft boards. The information passed on to me from a general manager this morning is 27 teams gave Vander Esch a passing grade on his medicals, 5 teams flagged him while no team flunked him. Flagging means a team will move a player down 10 to 20 slots on a draft board due to a red flag, in this case Vander Esch’s neck. Flunking means the team has removed the player from their board. The information passed to me states no team flunked Vander Esch for medicals or any other reason.

* More important for the Boise State linebacker is the leaking of information from the Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers. Both teams gave Vander Esch a passing grade on medicals. I feel reasonably certain he ends up with Dallas with the 18th pick.

indycolts2 04-26-2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64396)
Daniel Jeremiah says there have been some whispers of the Colts moving up for Chubb.

That would be beyond stupid with options such as Edmund's and Smith being available

ZiaColt 04-26-2018 06:44 PM

Ballard dropping from #3 to #6 tells me he likes Chubb and hopes he might still be there at #6 BUT can also be happy with several other guys if Chubb goes earlier.

If Ballard does indeed feel there are 8 premium non-QBs in this draft, I assume they would be Barkley and Nelson on offense, and Chubb, Smith, Edmunds, Ward, James and Fitzpatrick on defense.

So maybe he goes with Smith at #6 (if Chubb's gone) or he trades down again with, say, Buffalo. If he can convince Beane to give up #12 and #22, he might pick one of the DBs at #12 and an LB like Evans or rusher like Landry or Davenport at #22.

Or if Beane won't give up both 1st rounders, maybe Ballard gets #12, #53, #56 and #96 in return, then packages some combination of the extra picks he got from the Jets and Bills to move back up into the 1st round, and still gets an LB or EDGE, or promising OL.

Racehorse 04-26-2018 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64408)
This was from Tony Pauline today:

A big red flag is that his name is Leighton. Sounds girly. Kind of like Velvet, or Dam.

YDFL Commish 04-26-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 64390)
Mike Wells on DD show today says scuttlebutt in Colts complex is that Ballard will take Chubb at 6 if he's still there or plan B is to take Roquon Smith. Wells says this is also consistent with Polian's advice to Colts leadership.

I'm down with that.


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