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YDFL Commish 03-09-2018 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 58271)
The NFL has gone trade bonkers.

And that is a good thing. Whatever part of the CBA that caused this needs to be retained. The practice rules have got to go.

DrSpaceman 03-09-2018 10:46 PM

So does not seem Cleveland will be drafting a QB #1 now.

How does this affect the Colts?

Is it more likely Barkley and Chubb go #1/2 now?

And does the #3 pick become more valuable in trade due to more chances for the top QB available at that pick? Or less valuable since now you may be able to pick up a top QB lower down without Cleveland taking one?

rcubed 03-10-2018 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 58281)
So does not seem Cleveland will be drafting a QB #1 now.

How does this affect the Colts?

Is it more likely Barkley and Chubb go #1/2 now?

And does the #3 pick become more valuable in trade due to more chances for the top QB available at that pick? Or less valuable since now you may be able to pick up a top QB lower down without Cleveland taking one?

to hard to tell. if CLE takes barkley 1 and chubb goes 2, then there are a lot of QBs for the next couple slots. we are not taking a QB so jets and donkos could sit tight and see who is left after CLE goes at 4. depends on how in love with a particular guy they are that might make then want to leap frog one of the others.

Dam8610 03-10-2018 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 58281)
So does not seem Cleveland will be drafting a QB #1 now.

How does this affect the Colts?

Is it more likely Barkley and Chubb go #1/2 now?

And does the #3 pick become more valuable in trade due to more chances for the top QB available at that pick? Or less valuable since now you may be able to pick up a top QB lower down without Cleveland taking one?

Why does trading for Tyrod Taylor mean that Cleveland won't draft a QB?

Maniac 03-10-2018 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 58270)
Yep. At 80% he's still better than anyone we have. And I'm not Sherman fan

He may not be anywhere near 80% after the injuries he had and the position he plays.

VeveJones007 03-10-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 58297)
Why does trading for Tyrod Taylor mean that Cleveland won't draft a QB?

They’ll definitely draft a QB. It just may make them more likely to target a QB at 4 rather than 1. Reports are that they are infatuated by Barkley. If they think the Giants want him, then they have to take him at 1.

Dam8610 03-10-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 58313)
They’ll definitely draft a QB. It just may make them more likely to target a QB at 4 rather than 1. Reports are that they are infatuated by Barkley. If they think the Giants want him, then they have to take him at 1.

Them drafting Barkley at 1 is perfect to me. It removes any temptation the Colts might have to draft Barkley at 3, and gives the Colts a 3 team derby in the "trade down and still get Chubb" sweepstakes, adding the Browns to the Broncos and Jets as potential suitors for the 3rd pick, and Cleveland has more draft firepower than either of the other two. I don't see how the Giants don't take their QB of choice in that scenario (Eli is 37 and on the decline, any feigned interest in another player/position is a smokescreen to not be blatantly obvious), so that would leave the Colts at 3 with Chubb and the top 3 QBs on the board, which means you call each of the Browns, Broncos, and Jets and inform them that now is their chance to get their choice QB of the ones left. I think one of them bites and the Colts still get Chubb.

Puck 03-11-2018 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 58314)
Them drafting Barkley at 1 is perfect to me. It removes any temptation the Colts might have to draft Barkley at 3, and gives the Colts a 3 team derby in the "trade down and still get Chubb" sweepstakes, adding the Browns to the Broncos and Jets as potential suitors for the 3rd pick, and Cleveland has more draft firepower than either of the other two. I don't see how the Giants don't take their QB of choice in that scenario (Eli is 37 and on the decline, any feigned interest in another player/position is a smokescreen to not be blatantly obvious), so that would leave the Colts at 3 with Chubb and the top 3 QBs on the board, which means you call each of the Browns, Broncos, and Jets and inform them that now is their chance to get their choice QB of the ones left. I think one of them bites and the Colts still get Chubb.

Add the bills in there

FatDT 03-11-2018 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 58363)
Add the bills in there

Unless I'm missing a trade somewhere the Bills don't have the picks to move up.

Maniac 03-11-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 58364)
Unless I'm missing a trade somewhere the Bills don't have the picks to move up.

They can throw in future year's picks can't they?

VeveJones007 03-11-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 58364)
Unless I'm missing a trade somewhere the Bills don't have the picks to move up.

By the draft value chart, Bills could move their two firsts, a second, and a third to get roughly equal value to #3.

YDFL Commish 03-11-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 58371)
By the draft value chart, Bills could move their two firsts, a second, and a third to get roughly equal value to #3.

Nope. 21 and 22 are too far back for my liking.

FatDT 03-11-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 58373)
Nope. 21 and 22 are too far back for my liking.

Agreed, the talent likely available all the way in the 20s isn't good enough to justify trading back that far. We will rarely be able to draft players in the top 5. Let's not waste that just to acquire more picks that will not be difference-makers.

FatDT 03-11-2018 01:44 PM

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie being released by the Giants. Dunno how good he still is but any new name on the CB market only helps us.

Maniac 03-11-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 58373)
Nope. 21 and 22 are too far back for my liking.

Unless you can then trade back up some, but you have to be sure, otherwise that is too far to move back.

Puck 03-11-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 58373)
Nope. 21 and 22 are too far back for my liking.

But you could combine the 21 and 22 which equal 1580 points and move back up to 7th and keep the 2nd and 3rd from Bills this yr and their 1st next yr and take Nelson

Dam8610 03-11-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 58391)
But you could combine the 21 and 22 which equal 1580 points and move back up to 7th and keep the 2nd and 3rd from Bills this yr and their 1st next yr and take Nelson

The Bucs aren't trading back that far if the Colts do, they'll be smart, stay put, and get Chubb. That's why the Colts can't trade back past 7.

Indiana V2 03-11-2018 04:54 PM

I don't expect any free agent deals to be announced by the Colts until the player is signed, however players reaching agreements with the Colts may announce their intentions on Twitter.

DrSpaceman 03-11-2018 06:50 PM

So just a general question......

I thought the Free agency period was not open yet, so how can Richard Sherman meet with the 49ers and sign a deal already? Or at least reach a deal?

Colt Classic 03-11-2018 07:00 PM

Is it because he was released?

Spike 03-11-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 58404)
So just a general question......

I thought the Free agency period was not open yet, so how can Richard Sherman meet with the 49ers and sign a deal already? Or at least reach a deal?

I believe because he was cut, he can negotiate with anyone, anytime.

Spike 03-11-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 58407)
Is it because he was released?

Yes!

VeveJones007 03-11-2018 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 58373)
Nope. 21 and 22 are too far back for my liking.

Agree, but technically Buffalo has the picks to move up...if the Colts were willing to move down that far.

FatDT 03-11-2018 07:40 PM

He was cut rather than his contract expiring so he immediately became a FA.

Puck 03-11-2018 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 58411)
Agree, but technically Buffalo has the picks to move up...if the Colts were willing to move down that far.


Here is what "could" happen if that trade was

https://footballdungeon.com/mocks/du...-combine-mock/

Spike 03-11-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 58413)
Here is what "could" happen if that trade was

https://footballdungeon.com/mocks/du...-combine-mock/

Here is what Walter Football has to say about Landry so take it for what it is worth.

image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Bo...llege_logo.gif

Harold Landry, DE/OLB, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.67.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3.
2/24/18: Multiple teams sources told me that Landry belongs on the second day of the 2018 NFL Draft. They labeled his senior year tape as not impressive. Landry had a big drop in his pass-rush production year over year and put together some ugly games in run defense. Sources say that Landry is smaller than his listed numbers of 6-foot-3, 250 pounds, too. They believe he is an inch or two shorter and weighs in the 240s, which makes him more of a linebacker's body type for the NFL. Teams that run a 4-3 defense have concerns about Landry holding up on the edge because he is very undersized to be a base end. More than one NFL source sees Landry as a second-round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

In 2017, Landry had 38 tackles with 8.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks and two passes broken up. The senior missed a few games with an ankle injury late in the year.

Landry was a liability versus the run against the Fighting Irish, recording only one tackle while Notre Dame ran for seven touchdowns and had two players exceed 200 yards rushing. On the vast majority of his plays, Landry went against a freshman right tackle, yet was ineffective. Landry also lost his few reps against Mike McGlinchey, plus got rag dolled by Quenton Nelson. It was an ugly performance for Landry. He was slightly better against Clemson.

Rather keep our pick and take Chubb if he is available. And if the Colts do trade back, don't trade back that damn far.

Indiana V2 03-11-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 58413)
Here is what "could" happen if that trade was

https://footballdungeon.com/mocks/du...-combine-mock/

Aw, hail no!!!

Spike 03-11-2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 58416)
Aw, hail no!!!

I agree. I don't like this trade back with Buffalo bullshit at all.

Colt Classic 03-11-2018 09:24 PM

No thanks, they need to tell Buffalo to turn those picks into something higher than that, then talk trade.

Indiana V2 03-11-2018 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 58418)
No thanks, they need to tell Buffalo to turn those picks into something higher than that, then talk trade.

I will really question Ballard's competency of he would trade that far back.

Dewey 5 03-11-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 58416)
Aw, hail no!!!

More like, fuck that!

Maniac 03-12-2018 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 58420)
I will really question Ballard's competency of he would trade that far back.

I don't think he would. He spoke in a presser or interview a little while back and said that when you have a pick this high, you need to get an impact player for your franchise.

Racehorse 03-12-2018 06:58 AM

Any guesses at who gets almost signed by who on Day 1?

Indiana V2 03-12-2018 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 58440)
Any guesses at who gets almost signed by who on Day 1?

I don't think signings are official until Wednesday, so the Colts won't announce a thing until then due to the McDaniels debacle.

FatDT 03-12-2018 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 58443)
I don't think signings are official until Wednesday, so the Colts won't announce a thing until then due to the McDaniels debacle.

That won't keep the players or their agents from leaking info.

rcubed 03-12-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 58420)
I will really question Ballard's competency of he would trade that far back.

Peter Schrager

@PSchrags
Compensation for Cordy Glenn trade:

Bills and Bengals swap 1st Round picks. Bills go to 12. Bengals go to 21


Would you trade back to 12? (plus other compensation of course)

Dam8610 03-12-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 58567)
Peter Schrager

@PSchrags
Compensation for Cordy Glenn trade:

Bills and Bengals swap 1st Round picks. Bills go to 12. Bengals go to 21


Would you trade back to 12? (plus other compensation of course)

Now all they need to do is flip 12 to 7 and they can be in the "Trade down and still get Chubb" sweepstakes.

FatDT 03-12-2018 06:19 PM

12 probably still too far to drop.

njcoltfan 03-12-2018 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 58567)
Peter Schrager

@PSchrags
Compensation for Cordy Glenn trade:

Bills and Bengals swap 1st Round picks. Bills go to 12. Bengals go to 21


Would you trade back to 12? (plus other compensation of course)

Fuck no, if Ballard does that, and doesn't draft Chubb, some one should piss in his Cheerios!!

Puck 03-12-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 58573)
12 probably still too far to drop.

So think about the fact that the Bill would also have to add in 3.1 to make the draft chart points close to equal. Probably get even more than that... but anyway.

Would you rather have Chubb or get one of

Edmunds, Landry, Vea, Smith or Nelson at 12 and possibly Davenport, Key, Guice, Michel, Conner or Vander Esch at 21?

Could get 2 very good edge guys for the price of one... or 2 very good Olineman for the price of Chubb.

Then an extra third and possibly a 4th or 5th added in there?


Seems like a pretty good move to me... we have lots of holes to fill


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