6 plus a year.

Good for him

Some are going to blast this move but this was worth it. We had tons of cap space and he is a plus player.

My guess is that Allen is on notice and if he does not have a good year, he could be a cap casualty next year

Cheers,

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I don't think anyone will really blast the move. Some might want to spend a little less but who cares. He is a good dude and good player

I'm happy to have him back, I think $6 million per is great.

Yeah, not blasting the move, but a bit surprised.

$6M was fine. $13M per year for our TE corps is probably a bit high, but nothing worth throwing a fit over.

Good to see good things happen to good people.

Chud is suppose to be a TE guru. So maybe he got what he wants.... I think they trade Allen now actually

i don't see allen being moveable with that contract

@HolderStephen
For the record, I do not anticipate Doyle's re-signing changing Dwayne Allen's status with the #Colts based on what I know.

@HolderStephen
Tight end is a strength of the team. I believe the thinking is they want to keep it that way.

With his recent injury issues and mediocre performance not likely. Hopefully, he stays healthy and plays like he showed he could early in his career.

Too much in the TE position, but I don't expect Allen to make it to the end of his deal so it isn't a big deal.

I really hope they make a push for NT on day one. Poe or Williams would be huge upgrades.

Poe has more name recognition for his one really good season, but after reading more about his back surgery and how much it has affected him, I think I'd rather go with Williams. But Ballard knows better than most how to approach Poe so I am not going to worry about it.

We have quite a lot of money invested in our starting TE's, but they are both starters and other than Hilton we have little to nothing invested in our receivers. We have Hilton, Moncrief, Allen, Doyle and Gore as our offensive specialists and now all are paid as starters except Moncrief. Our 3rd receiver Dorsett is also not on a big contract. To me we are actually still probably below the league average for the overall contract value of our offensive specialists, even if you were to include Luck.

Luck = $19.4m
Hilton = $10.0m
Moncrief = $1.9m
Allen = $6.0m
Doyle = $6.0m
Gore = $3.5m
Total spend = $46.8m


Looking at the money spent on the team, we have practically nothing invested on the offensive line besides the $12.8m for Castonzo. It's less than $8m for every other body currently on our roster which includes names that i have never heard of. The other main guys, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Good and Blythe combine for a total of $6m. Obviously after this season Mewhort is going to get a nice contract extension.

I really do think that we will be making a bit of a splash in free agency hopefully spending $7-8m a year on Larry Warford.

A starting line of Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Warford and Clark, with Haeg, Good and Blythe possibly Harrison as backups would look fine in my eyes.

I'm glad Doyle is staying. Now fix the defense.

I am glad Doyle is staying but I agree that is a lot to invest in two tight ends.

Just pretend one of them is a WR.

Then, we have two highly paid WRs (Hilton, Allen) and one highly paid TE (Doyle) and no one would bat an eye at that pay structure.

As of right now, those three guys are 3 of 4 targets whom Luck trusts and depends on the most (add in Moncrief) and whom will power our passing offense with others chipping in bit roles (Dorsett, Rogers, Swoope, Gore).

I fully expect both Allen and Doyle to deliver in 2017 or else know that they will be gone probably starting next year; especially if Swoope continues to progress. I suspect that Allen is much more on the bubble than Doyle because, so far, Doyle has only shown year-to-year improvement in his game.

Next year, our "highly paid" receivers might be Hilton, Moncrief and Doyle and I don't think anyone would have an issue with it and be saying "you can't pay that much money to your wide receivers!!!!"

Cheers,

I'm very glad. I think if you have a proven producer on your team you pay
him unless his demands are outrageous or the teams cap prohibits it, neither
of which came into play here. The draft and to some extent, free agency
are crapshoots. You just don't let talent that you have slip through your fingers.

Except they aren't WRs or used like WRs, neither one of them

I like what Doyle does for the team but he clearly is a tight end. And Allen is not healthy enough and on the field enough to justify the money he was paid last year.

If one of them were used like a WR, in the slot like a Jimmy Graham or even how Dallas Clark was used with Manning, you'd have a better argument.

I understand what you are saying, but just paying a tight end more money because your WRs don't make as much and aren't used as much is a hard justification.

The answer should be the find a way to use the WRs you have more, not pay the tight ends more because your offensive scheme relies on them the most.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...ract/98905360/

Sounds like it is structured pretty nicely to help us moving forward, also note he is now the 16th highest paid TE in the league.

$8.000m cap hit in 2017 including all of the $7.500m guaranteed money.

$5.250m cap hit in 2018

$5.650m cap hit in 2019

Good contract.

NOTE: No signing bonus. Almost all the guaranteed money was roster bonus so none of the "pro-rated" cap hits push into future years. If Jack gets cut (or traded away to a rival team), we have no dead cap to eat.

I like the structure.

Cheers,

Well, hopefully this calms the concerns over Ballard as contract writer. That's actually a great deal for the Colts. It's essentially a 1 year $8 million deal with two team options at $5.25 and $5.65 million.

Sounds like Poe is willing to take a one year deal to show that he's healthy. That might be intriguing if the bidding on Williams is getting crazy.

So if he proves it for one year are you willing to then sign him long term for big money?

If not then whats the point?

If he's good, then he contributes in 2017 and then you have the inside track to re-sign him (or franchise tag him).

If he's bad/average, then you don't have a hit past 2017 on your books. As they say in baseball, there's no such thing as a bad one year contract.

@ColtsEdwardsC 1h1 hour ago
Since 2013, @Colts TE-Jack Doyle has the highest catch percentage (79.7) among all @NFL tight ends who were targeted at least 100 times

Amen, brother!

That is why he is rolling in money, money, money!

Cheers,

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(9 MONTHS LATER)


Jack Doyle is 2nd in the NFL for receptions by a tight end. He has 64, while Travis Kelce of the Chiefs has 73.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that the article in which I got that information from has the Colts ranked 30th out of 32 teams in the NFL, ahead of only the Giants and the Browns.




Week 15 NFL Power Rankings: Biggest Breakthroughs for Every Team

(ESPN.com)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page...riots-no1-spot


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Did we really need to bring a dead thread back from the dead?:cool:

Yea this pisses me off i thought it was a new thread. I read through 5 pages trying to figure out who the new guy. Allen was.

I was confused. Cause I thought Doyle signed more than a one yr deal but thought I missed something

So fuck you C&O Damn it

Yea go ahead and laugh fuckers

^^^ hahaha....dumbass.

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In addition to the fact that the date of every OP is always shown at the top of the post, I also made it clear in my post that it was 9 months later.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, that is plenty in terms of hints/clues that the thread is not new, and that you don't necessarily have to pore through 5 pages of posts to realize this.




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I stand by this...

Colts have a gazillion dollars in cap space, why are you worried about Doyle versus Allen?

I don't think we can judge Doyle based on one season under a bad staff and a back up QB starting all season

He has had some down games, but still has made some good plays all season and has been pretty reliable.

And Dwayne Allen has done nothing in NE. Even when Gronk has been hurt. Had at least one drop I saw in the Miami game, which has been his problem his whole career.

It is idiotic

Agree here, except to say that we should judge each player by how they performed this season, taking those factors into account as well.

I think we saw Doyle do his best to step up and deliver under tough circumstances. Can we say the same thing for Kamar Aiken, or TY Hilton.

Without fear there cannot be courage. If nothing else, this throwaway season is telling us about the players we have across all levels of our roster.

Not so much with TY and Moncrief. It's hard to grade them when they're playing in Chud's idiotic scheme with a backup QB who is running for his life. And when he isn't running for his life, he has trouble with his progressions and finding receivers down field.

Mostly agree with you. But TY has had some big games with those parameters. I just havent seen moncrief having those impacts. It may be this is what you get with moncrief. I will be interested to see what decision ballard makes with him.

In that same vein, didnt irsay say something about pags' job was not dependent on win-loss record, but rather on player development? I swear I read that somewhere...

Agree it will be Interesting to see if DM is on this team next year.

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Doyle has played in 12 games so far (he missed the 49ers game with a concussion), and he already has more catches (64) than he has ever had in his career, and there are still 3 games left to be played.

Out of all of the tight ends in the NFL, only Travis Kelce of the Chiefs has more (73) ........ and Kelce has been targeted 24 more times than has Doyle (108 targets for Kelce, 84 targets for Doyle.)


That statistic alone under the circumstances that you pointed out (a back-up QB and a bad coaching staff) is pretty impressive.


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can't see how anyone can be displeased with Doyle performance or contract wise.