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YDFL Commish 11-19-2022 07:43 PM

My take is, that Reich had no conviction, no backbone to stand up to Irsay and had definitely lost Irsay's confidence.

I've said this before, I doubt that Irsay outright dictated every stupid personnel decision that was made. But he damn sure laid out some options and told Reich and Ballard to choose one.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the evidence comes out. But for Irsay to dictate starting lineups, he would have to become his dad. So maybe that is the case, but I sure as hell hope not. Because if it is, the franchise is fucked for at least a decade.

Hoopsdoc 11-19-2022 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 250516)
My take is, that Reich had no conviction, no backbone to stand up to Irsay and had definitely lost Irsay's confidence.

I've said this before, I doubt that Irsay outright dictated every stupid personnel decision that was made. But he damn sure laid out some options and told Reich and Ballard to choose one.

If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the evidence comes out. But for Irsay to dictate starting lineups, he would have to become his dad. So maybe that is the case, but I sure as hell hope not. Because if it is, the franchise is fucked for at least a decade.

No one, whether players or coaches or Ballard, wanted to bench Ryan for Sam. You won’t find a single one supporting the move. They didn’t outright say so because Irsay signs their checks, but there is no doubt from anyone I’ve seen that Jim was the sole reason behind benching Ryan for Ehlinger.

Keefer, Holder, Bowen, JMV, Wells, Kravitz, they all agree that it was Irsay behind that move. I haven’t seen anyone connected with the team that doesn’t think it was Jim. I don’t think there’s really any doubt about that anymore.

You can beat around the bush all you want but that’s Jim Irsay dictating the starting lineups. That’s just reality.

CletusPyle 11-19-2022 10:07 PM

Is something up with Irsay? Who knows, I didn't like him going after Snyder (not a Snyder fan I just thought it was petty and uncalled for), I don't remember him interfering this much in the past...last year with Wentz, this year with Ryan, hope his daughters are watching out for him!

omahacolt 11-19-2022 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 250531)
Is something up with Irsay? Who knows, I didn't like him going after Snyder (not a Snyder fan I just thought it was petty and uncalled for), I don't remember him interfering this much in the past...last year with Wentz, this year with Ryan, hope his daughters are watching out for him!

i loved irsay going after snyder. snyder is a cunt. irsay having the balls to walk up to the media and let it rip was awesome. people like snyder need to be held accountable. good for irsay

CletusPyle 11-19-2022 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 250538)
i loved irsay going after snyder. snyder is a cunt. irsay having the balls to walk up to the media and let it rip was awesome. people like snyder need to be held accountable. good for irsay

I agree he deserved it, just not sure Irsay with his past history was the best choice to call out his moral failures!

IndyNorm 11-20-2022 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250493)
Yes. I agree. I did not see many objecting to the extension when it happened. I was for it.

Yeah, most of us were like good for Q. But the Colts FO has access to his medical records, so if it is his back or something else physically that's messing him up then they should have known better.

IndyNorm 11-20-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 250503)
It's a long shot because Heinicke would need to be pulled for some reason... but yeah, it's probably two more games before it's official going by my gorilla math.

WAS is averaging about 70.3 snaps per game with Wentz and 70.5 snaps with Heinicke (pretty consistent). So WAS gets 70.4 snaps per game which would be about 1,197 snaps for the season, 838 would be 70%.

So Wentz would need another 416 snaps on top of the 422 he's already had. That's 59.4 snaps per game over the final 7 games... or 69.3 snaps per game over 6 games. Both are below WAS current average.

No way they're pulling Heinicke for Wentz, so he would have to get hurt. And is Wentz even the back up at this point?

JAFF 11-20-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 250540)
I agree he deserved it, just not sure Irsay with his past history was the best choice to call out his moral failures!

Irsay hurt himself with his substance abuse. He never physically or sexually harassed others in his employ. He has daughters who will be the principal owners of the Colts, this horseshit of rich men abusing female employees must STOP.

JAFF 11-20-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 250540)
I agree he deserved it, just not sure Irsay with his past history was the best choice to call out his moral failures!

He is exactly the guy. He has addressed his failures, admitted his addiction and fought to overcome them. He has daughters and they will be the team owners. Now is the time to say something and stand up to the harassment.

Oldcolt 11-20-2022 11:03 AM

Did I miss something with the benching of Ryan for Sam? Like a separated shoulder. A shoulder that as soon as he was able to throw the ball he was back as our starter? The players didn't like it? Who gives a shit? This isn't the NBA, yet. I know that they said Sam was going to be the qb regardless of Ryan's injury. They also said it was going to be the qb for the rest of the year. The Colts lie to us continuously, I watch what they do, not what they say. Those who know what really happened will never tell us the truth. Irsay made some people uncomfortable and for that I am happy. Somebody needed to shake shit up.

CletusPyle 11-20-2022 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250561)
Irsay hurt himself with his substance abuse. He never physically or sexually harassed others in his employ. He has daughters who will be the principal owners of the Colts, this horseshit of rich men abusing female employees must STOP.

I'm not going to argue with you about Jim Irsay's virtue, but there are other things beside his addiction I could bring up, but I would rather not, because I like Jim Irsay and because I am also not perfect and don't consider it my place to air his dirty laundry.

BTW, I am not alone in my feelings that perhaps Jim is not the best spokesman for moral virtue.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 11-20-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250378)
All I know about Brown is that he came from the Bears who have largely stunk for 35 years. No opinion on him.


Actually Morocco Brown's first job in the NFL was as a scouting intern with the Colts when Polian was the GM. Brown started that job after he finished his college football career at NC State. I believe he spent some time as an intern with Washington as well.

Following those entry jobs, he served in the following roles:

Assistant Director of Pro Personnel - Chicago - 2001 - 2007

Director of Pro Personnel - Washington - 2008 - 2013

Vice President of Player Personnel - Cleveland - 2014 - 2015

Director of College Scouting - Indianapolis - 2016 - 2022

Chief Personnel Executive - Indianapolis - 2022 -


Brown was hired for his second stint with the Colts by Ryan Grigson.

Ballard decided to keep him on as they had previously crossed paths when they both worked for the Bears at the same time.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 250474)
Because Irsay has a history of being hands off. He let Polian run the shop until it failed. Post Polian, he pulled the trigger on that one a little late, using hindsight.

Ballard has a good record finding talent. The Online was considered one of the best until that group totally failed. The remaining linemen have played well below their past efforts. You cant blame Ballard for the player preformance. That is on the coaching staff.

Finding a Qb is on both Ballard and Irsay. They should have tanked the season when Luck was put on the IR, But they didnt. They traded for Brisset and went .500. Because they thought Luck still gave them 5-6 years of play.

Jim Irsay will not tank a season. He is not his father. Yeah, he is eccentric, but he knows people. Hiring Saturday as HC, he gets a smart guy who will let the asst coaches do their job, he is going to establish the ATTITUDE. Oh, putting Ryan back at Qb is Irsay not tanking. Saturday didnt come in to tank. He came in to put up a fight. They could have hired any one off the street to tank.

Yeah, Irsay may be half a bubble of plumb, he isnt a quitter, and the Colts arent tanking. Fuck that shit. Go down swinging. I can get behind that kind of crazy

Agree with you here. He should have stayed more hands off and waited til end of year. Now he has his ass in the media for damages for the team to take.

Irsay please run your team like normal, cause you have a great perception of usually doing...

PS Irsay: stay off the media and twitter not helping anything. When one week you say Coaches and GMs are safe then start firing.

Hoopsdoc 11-20-2022 07:54 PM

Heinecke is officially the starter going forward in Washington. Announced today by Rivera

It’s the worst possible scenario for the Colts. Washington keeps winning without Wentz playing.

Looks like it will be a mid to late 3rd round pick.

ColtBlue 11-20-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251070)
Heinecke is officially the starter going forward in Washington. Announced today by Rivera

It’s the worst possible scenario for the Colts. Washington keeps winning without Wentz playing.

Looks like it will be a mid to late 3rd round pick.

Of course they would, why wouldn't they?

Hell Heinicke is 4-1 since loser Wentz as been out...

Washington probably have better record if they started Heinicke over Wentz.

Colts was smart getting rid of him.. Wentz is not a starter!!

Colts And Orioles 11-27-2022 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 250267)
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Heinicke has played better than Wentz has ...... there is no reason for the Redskins to reinsert Wentz at quarterback, regardless of the trade stipulations that they have with the Colts.

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Heinicke led the Commanders to another win this afternoon, against the Falcons.

The Commanders are now 5-1 with Heinicke at quarterback ...... they owe us no explanation whatsoever for continuing to play Heinicke over Wentz.

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CletusPyle 11-27-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 251700)
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Heinicke led the Commanders to another win this afternoon, against the Falcons.

The Commanders are now 5-1 with Heinicke at quarterback ...... they owe us no explanation whatsoever for continuing to play Heinicke over Wentz.

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I wonder if they would have traded us Heinicke for Wentz?

Brylok 11-28-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 250322)
I don't think there's much of a chance that Ballard will stay. He's been completely undermined and looks like a fool. They'll come to some sort of contract buyout arrangement and he will leave. I doubt he has any problem finding a new job. The Colts however will be... interesting.

Bob Kravitz was talking about this on the Kevin and Query show this morning (11-28-22). He thinks Ballard will leave after coming to a gentleman's agreement.

Brylok 11-28-2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 250333)
Which makes you wonder, if what someone else on this board suggested (sorry I forgot who and I am too lazy to look it up), that Saturday is really auditioning for the GM job and the Colts will have a real coaching search at the end of the season.

Kravitz talked about this, too. He thinks Saturday will be the GM next year. Again, from this morning's show (11-28-22).

YDFL Commish 11-28-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 251791)
Kravitz talked about this, too. He thinks Saturday will be the GM next year. Again, from this morning's show (11-28-22).

If that happens we will suck for a decade.

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2022 03:05 PM

I think Saturday replacing Ballard is entirely possible. As noted above, Ballard has been completely neutered by Irsay. There’s no way he wants to stay, in my opinion. Neither will Dodds or Brown.

They’ll all leave and Jim will offer Saturday the GM job.

And yes, we’ll be completely f****d until Jim is out of the picture.

JAFF 11-28-2022 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251803)
I think Saturday replacing Ballard is entirely possible. As noted above, Ballard has been completely neutered by Irsay. There’s no way he wants to stay, in my opinion. Neither will Dodds or Brown.

They’ll all leave and Jim will offer Saturday the GM job.

And yes, we’ll be completely f****d until Jim is out of the picture.

Not going to happen.

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 251807)
Not going to happen.

What’s not happening, Ballard leaving or Saturday being offered the job?

I don’t see any way Ballard stays. Why would he?

Saturday being offered the job is a little more iffy but I could definitely see it happening.

JAFF 11-28-2022 03:22 PM

I dont understand the angst over his . Will the Colts get a draft pick for a player they more than likely were going to cut and eat the contract?

Chromeburn 11-28-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 250286)
So they essentially spent a third round pick for the privelege of discovering that Wentz isn’t as good as a player they already had.

Neat.

We were going to cut him outright. So at least we got something.

Brylok 11-28-2022 03:54 PM

I listened to the show on Google podcasts a bit later in the morning/lunchtime. It's at the 1:46:18 mark on there. I'm sure it's in a similar spot on other podcasts.

Colts And Orioles 11-28-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 251700)
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Heinicke led the Commanders to another win this afternoon, against the Falcons.

The Commanders are now 5-1 with Heinicke at quarterback ...... they owe us no explanation whatsoever for continuing to play Heinicke over Wentz.

o

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And the irony of all of this is the initial presumption ...... a lot of people (maybe even the Commanders themselves) probably figured that the Commanders would have their usual crappy season, and be something like 3-9 or 4-8 right now. And at 3-9 or 4-8 and no hope for a playoff berth, all of the talk would probably be around whether or not a team that has no hope for playoff contention would then sit their starting quarterback (Wentz) for the remainder of the season, considering the stipulation/clause in the trade that they made for him.

Well, the opposite has happened ...... the Commanders are a pretty damned good team this season, as they are one of the hottest teams in the NFL having won 6 out of their last 7 games. They are very much in the hunt for a playoff berth at 7-5, and the last thing on their minds is whether or not Carson Wentz will play enough games to activate the trade stipulation in regard to a draft pick ...... the Commanders are thinking playoffs, and they probably couldn't give a rat's ass about Carson Wentz and the stipulation in his contract regarding his playing time.

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omahacolt 11-28-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 251791)
Kravitz talked about this, too. He thinks Saturday will be the GM next year. Again, from this morning's show (11-28-22).

oh fuck


this is going to get real shitty isn't it

JAFF 11-28-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251822)
oh fuck


this is going to get real shitty isn't it

When is the last time Kravitz was right about anything?

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251822)
oh fuck


this is going to get real shitty isn't it

It’s already shitty. It got shitty when Jim started dictating who plays.

It’s been downhill since then.

Chaka 11-28-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 251791)
Kravitz talked about this, too. He thinks Saturday will be the GM next year. Again, from this morning's show (11-28-22).

This seems pretty unlikely to me. Saturday's strength is motivating players and his experience as a player. Those traits are better fit for a head coach than a GM.

Brylok 11-28-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 251822)
oh fuck


this is going to get real shitty isn't it

Well, like know-it-all Jaff said, I don't know how often Kravitz has been right. He's covered the Colts for decades though, so...
I just thought it was weird to hear him saying the same things I said days ago.
There is really shitty potential though, no denying that. Lord help our Colts.

Brylok 11-28-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 251831)
This seems pretty unlikely to me. Saturday's strength is motivating players and his experience as a player. Those traits are better fit for a head coach than a GM.

Just telling y'all what was said. You can go listen to it if you like.

JAFF 11-28-2022 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 251825)
It’s already shitty. It got shitty when Jim started dictating who plays.

.

You dont know that

Chaka 11-28-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 251833)
Just telling y'all what was said. You can go listen to it if you like.

I don't doubt he said it, but it doesn't seem like it's a well thought out theory. I guess I can't rule it out completely due to Irsay's recent impulsive behavior, but I don't see the logic in it.

Given the timing of Reich's dismissal and Irsay's rapid discussions with Saturday, I'm assuming that this whole fire Reich/hire Saturday thing was motivated by Irsay watching Vrabel during the KC-Tenn game that night. If so, then I don't see why Irsay would take Saturday out of the HC position to move him to the front office. It just doesn't follow.

rcubed 11-28-2022 06:21 PM

yeah, I dont see saturday as a GM prospect.

ChaosTheory 11-28-2022 06:45 PM

If the meddling ends up driving Ballard away... What a royal black eye.

smitty46953 11-28-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 251850)
If the meddling ends up driving Ballard away... What a royal black eye.

Be hard to find a quality GM if they believe Irsay is meddling with the decisions. :cool:

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2022 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 251855)
Be hard to find a quality GM if they believe Irsay is meddling with the decisions. :cool:

Irsay is already meddling with the decisions. Anyone who doesn’t have their head stuck in the sand knows that.

There was literally only one person in the entire organization who felt like Sam deserved to start, or that he gave them a better chance to win and that was Jim. The reaction of the coaches and players, both on and off the record, made that crystal clear. It’s not even debatable anymore.

That was 100 percent Jim Irsays call.

So this arguing over whether Jim is really deciding who plays is pointless. He absolutely is, or at least he did in that situation.

ColtBlue 11-28-2022 08:30 PM

Colts need to hire Riddick as GM and whatever Irsay decides to do with Saturday.

Riddick will go after teams needs no matter what the price is.

We need to focus on draft. Cause Ballard won't. lol

Trade up with bears in the second spot eburlus may give us a deal or may not cause we let Frank go. lmao

who knows


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