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HoosierinFL 11-07-2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 248613)
Cant it both?

Like you said, he cant fix the Xs and Os, but just usher the team to the end of the season. But that doesnt really have to include wins. I would assume everyone in their right mind knows this is a lost year.

When you're firing a coach mid-year its a given that you've thrown in the towel to some extent. Has an interim coach ever rescued a team from disaster and over-achieved? (I'm sure there might be 1 or 2 examples of this, sometimes teams have a brief bump in effort and eke out a few extra wins, but nothing like taking a basement team and turning them into a playoff team)

Oldcolt 11-07-2022 03:32 PM

What fucking disaster? Didn’t anyone watch yesterday, THAT already is a disaster, Saturday certainly won’t do worse. People talk like they actually believe we are one head coach away from competing. Even if Saint Vince himself walked thru that door himself this season has been gone for weeks, if not months. Good for Frank-he isn’t an evil guy and now maybe he can get himself a semblance of a life. Good for Jeff, I think. Bastard finds himself in a shit show. Good for Colt fans-maybe we can stop having sweet sweet news conferences and start calling these assholes out. Is Ballard far behind?

Lov2fish 11-07-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 248646)
When you're firing a coach mid-year its a given that you've thrown in the towel to some extent. Has an interim coach ever rescued a team from disaster and over-achieved? (I'm sure there might be 1 or 2 examples of this, sometimes teams have a brief bump in effort and eke out a few extra wins, but nothing like taking a basement team and turning them into a playoff team)

The flip side to that is, we had a playoff roster and competed as a basement level team. The right motivator might make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Maybe, just maybe.

Oldcolt 11-07-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 248648)
The flip side to that is, we had a playoff roster and competed as a basement level team. The right motivator might make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Maybe, just maybe.

Spoken like a real true fan. Never say never my brother.

JAFF 11-07-2022 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 248646)
When you're firing a coach mid-year its a given that you've thrown in the towel to some extent. Has an interim coach ever rescued a team from disaster and over-achieved? (I'm sure there might be 1 or 2 examples of this, sometimes teams have a brief bump in effort and eke out a few extra wins, but nothing like taking a basement team and turning them into a playoff team)

https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nf...nterim-coaches

Chromeburn 11-07-2022 03:50 PM

NFL radio says Reich resigned. That firing of Brady, the QB change and everything else was too much and Reich said no more.

omahacolt 11-07-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 248655)
NFL radio says Reich resigned. That firing of Brady, the QB change and everything else was too much and Reich said no more.

i would not be surprised at all if he resigned

YDFL Commish 11-07-2022 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 248655)
NFL radio says Reich resigned. That firing of Brady, the QB change and everything else was too much and Reich said no more.

Good for him. He just did it 2 weeks too late.

nate505 11-07-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 248625)
I will say this. I'll bet that Saturday told Irsay, that he can see what is wrong with this OL and promised him that he can fix it.

If he can fix that group of frauds, just get his place in Canton ready right now.

Brylok 11-07-2022 04:04 PM

I know y'all won't care, but I've been living this since 2018. I've seen it before. I'm a Manchester United fan and Colts fan. In December of 2018, United hired former team legend Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as interim manager. They had a big bounce and then hired him as permanent manager the following year. It went okay for a year or so and then it fell apart spectacularly. They were worse than they had been before. They're much better now, but still have a lot of work to do. And now, apparently, I get to watch that again here. Great.

Hoopsdoc 11-07-2022 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 248655)
NFL radio says Reich resigned. That firing of Brady, the QB change and everything else was too much and Reich said no more.

I think Reich got a raw deal. He’s not a bad coach but Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with that offensive line.

I have to think Ballard isn’t far behind. Hell, this is his fault more than it is Franks.

rm1369 11-07-2022 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 248655)
NFL radio says Reich resigned. That firing of Brady, the QB change and everything else was too much and Reich said no more.

Makes the most sense. Teflon Ballard has repeatedly hung him out to dry. If the QB switch wasn’t his decision then it makes a lot of sense.

Chromeburn 11-07-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248661)
I think Reich got a raw deal. He’s not a bad coach but Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with that offensive line.

I have to think Ballard isn’t far behind. Hell, this is his fault more than it is Franks.

I think this caught Irsay by surprise. So he scrambled to Saturday. First thing, you can’t win anything changing your QB every year.

Second, you need a left tackle to protect your QB. I really would like to keep Ballard, but he doesn’t have sense of urgency about certain issues.

This season was done the moment they switched to Ehlinger.

Brylok 11-07-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248661)
I think Reich got a raw deal. He’s not a bad coach but Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with that offensive line.

I have to think Ballard isn’t far behind. Hell, this is his fault more than it is Franks.

Ultimately, I think it's Andrew Luck's fault and Jim Irsay's fault. That was a torpedo hit and it ultimately sunk the ship. Luck for doing what he did, and Jim for not doing what he should have done and hit the reset button right then. It doesn't matter now though. This has been 3 years 2 months and 2 weeks coming.

rm1369 11-07-2022 04:20 PM

So Frank resigns and assistants turn down job knowing what has been going on and not wanting to further taint their resumes?

Chromeburn 11-07-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 248664)
Ultimately, I think it's Andrew Luck's fault and Jim Irsay's fault. That was a torpedo hit and it ultimately sunk the ship. Luck for doing what he did, and Jim for not doing what he should have done and hit the reset button right then. It doesn't matter now though. This has been 3 years 2 months and 2 weeks coming.

Should have bit the bullet and sucked for a QB. They might have hoped Luck came back also. It hasn’t been great Qb drafts though. Fields was probably the guy they should have tried for.

Hoopsdoc 11-07-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 248664)
Ultimately, I think it's Andrew Luck's fault and Jim Irsay's fault. That was a torpedo hit and it ultimately sunk the ship. Luck for doing what he did, and Jim for not doing what he should have done and hit the reset button right then. It doesn't matter now though. This has been 3 years 2 months and 2 weeks coming.

Can’t blame Luck anymore. That was 4 years ago. That’s an eternity in the NFL.

The one at fault is the one who decided to bandaid the qb position every year instead of doing whatever it took to find a franchise guy.

Oldcolt 11-07-2022 04:39 PM

Irsay doesn’t have a clue. He was handed two generational QBs in a row and barely has shit to show for it. This is back to the 80’s crap. I’m really glad I’ve already learned how to root for this team without putting any emotional energy into it. I will keep rooting because it will be so damn sweet when we get back, but it is going to be a long shitty ride before we get there

Chaka 11-07-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 248621)
Saturday is a leader and a winner. He will get a good OC to call plays, and do the job of leading the team. I am excited to see how the team responds to this move.

I hope you're right, but I don't share your optimism. I feel like I'm watching a friend make a series of really bad decisions, but they won't listen to anyone and there's nothing that can be done to stop them.

Brylok 11-07-2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248670)
Can’t blame Luck anymore. That was 4 years ago. That’s an eternity in the NFL.

The one at fault is the one who decided to bandaid the qb position every year instead of doing whatever it took to find a franchise guy.

Three years, two months, and two weeks ago. Saying "4 years" is shorting it by nine and a half months. An entire pregnancy amount of time.

The bandaid guy is Jim.

JAFF 11-07-2022 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 248634)
He's literally only coached high school and his record is 20-16...as a high school head coach. C'mon. Smh

He knows football. He has been around some great assistant and head coaches.

Who is available right now, and available.

Thorgrim 11-07-2022 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 248598)
There is no doubt in my mind that if Matt Ryan is healthy he will regain the starting QB position.

First thing I thought when the news broke. Home against Philly at the latest unless we see a huge turnaround this Sunday.

JAFF 11-07-2022 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248640)
Who is gonna call plays? They don’t have anyone who’s ever done it.

Matty Ice?

Hoopsdoc 11-07-2022 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 248674)
Three years, two months, and two weeks ago. Saying "4 years" is shorting it by nine and a half months. An entire pregnancy amount of time.

The bandaid guy is Jim.

Three and a half seasons. Again, that’s forever in the NFL.

They’re not in this mess because Luck left. They’re in this mess because of the decisions they made after he left.

ChaosTheory 11-07-2022 05:38 PM

This is some goofy shit I've never seen before. Maybe other teams have done some weird shit like this, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.

Looked like somebody shot his dog when "he" benched Matt Ryan. And now, he didn't get fired? He resigned? Are we sure about that? I can't think of any HC that ever just resigned except for Bobby Petrino when he had a Arkansas job lined up.

Is Jim Irsay completely Jerry Jones-ing around the front office? And then skips over tenured coaches to appoint Jeff Saturday? So bizarre.

YDFL Commish 11-07-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 248673)
I hope you're right, but I don't share your optimism. I feel like I'm watching a friend make a series of really bad decisions, but they won't listen to anyone and there's nothing that can be done to stop them.


Irsay makes no moves without a lot of thought and consultation. He does have trusted people that he listens to.

Oldcolt 11-07-2022 05:49 PM

Saturday is a leader of men, no question. Is he a football savant? Who knows, I’ve never been overly impressed with how intellectually hard football is and with so called football geniuses. Real genius is genius their entire life. Football genius lasts a year or two. It isn’t X and O’x. What you need is a leader, he is that.

IndyNorm 11-07-2022 05:52 PM

As a buddy pointed out to me: what's probably going on is Irsay has decided to blow the coaching staff up and Saturday is doing him a favor by taking over for the rest of the year. On top of that it gives Saturday some good experience in case he decides to get into coaching full time.

Either that or as another buddy theorized: Irsay popped a couple of pills and then did the bubble gum, bubble gum thing w/ the names of everyone in the ROH :D.

Joking aside what is interesting is that at least the IndyStar reported that John Fox was taking over. Maybe Fox agreed to it last night and then changed his mind after sleeping on it.

rcubed 11-07-2022 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 248684)
Irsay makes no moves without a lot of thought and consultation. He does have trusted people that he listens to.

I have been wondering, is this irsay...

1. taking control
3. pissed off
2. coming unhinged
4. all the above

DragonTails 11-07-2022 05:55 PM

Just think if the Raiders lose this week.

Any change is good change in my eyes. I was so tied of watching Reich.

Did you see Tenn getting coached up last night? We have none of that.

rcubed 11-07-2022 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 248690)
As a buddy pointed out to me: what's probably going on is Irsay has decided to blow the coaching staff up and Saturday is doing him a favor by taking over for the rest of the year. On top of that it gives Saturday some good experience in case he decides to get into coaching full time.

Either that or as another buddy theorized: Irsay popped a couple of pills and then did the bubble gum, bubble gum thing w/ the names of everyone in the ROH :D.

Joking aside what is interesting is that at least the IndyStar reported that John Fox was taking over. Maybe Fox agreed to it last night and then changed his mind after sleeping on it.

I dont see why fox would want it. whats in it for him. he probably has a cush job making good money being an advisor. no long hours game planning. no media/fans scrutinizing him, knowing it would most likely be short term position anyway. if I were him I would not take it.

Chromeburn 11-07-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 248680)
First thing I thought when the news broke. Home against Philly at the latest unless we see a huge turnaround this Sunday.

There will be no turnaround. Two integral coaches are gone. This offense will limp around for the rest of the year. This is a complete disaster unless of course you are trying for a top five pick.

IndyNorm 11-07-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248661)
I think Reich got a raw deal. He’s not a bad coach but Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with that offensive line.

I have to think Ballard isn’t far behind. Hell, this is his fault more than it is Franks.

No doubt. If we get even last year's level of play out of the OL this year then we would have probably been competitive enough to at least challenge for the division and make the playoffs, which have kept the core together with the hopes that a good off season would get us there.

YDFL Commish 11-07-2022 06:04 PM

I'm sure that C&O, Oldcolt and a few other old timers will remember this. But, in 1986 the Colts fired Rod Dowhower after a 0-13 start and replaced him with Ron Meyer. Meyer won the final 3 games of that season.

CletusPyle 11-07-2022 06:05 PM

Wow....I go out and do yard work for a few hours and all hell breaks loose!:eek:

ChoppedWood 11-07-2022 06:05 PM

A full half season too long for Frank, absolutely should have been gone after the Texans fiasco last year. That exemplified his inability to coach a team through a tough time, it's just not his make-up. Obviously could do it with the helmet on but with the headset instead, dude was a catastrophe and absolutely HAD to go one way or the other. Dude is just NOT a head coach!

Saturday, well at least we have a dude in the short term who will be able to critique this pot of shit and I am sure will feel empowered to show dude's the door as they warrant it on that OL especially. I would suspect Matt Pryor will be getting the pink slip and I wouldn't be surprised if Pinter takes over at C and Kelly is sent packing in the offseason.

That said, I don't think Saturday is long for the job, just here to settle things, preach some shoe and trim some fat.

There is a report on Yahoo that Manning has the lead in the odds to become the next coach. I doubt that, but I sure as hell wouldn't be surprised or upset if he replaced Ballard as the GM. I don't think Peyton could coach but I would LOVE to see him leading player interviews and evaluations. Better be fast on your feet or you can guarantee that dude isn't going to have you on his team, and if you show any sign of not having mental toughness, fuck, no shot at all he would sign you. We need some tough, mean, fired up motherfuckers on this squad.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 11-07-2022 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 248690)
Joking aside what is interesting is that at least the IndyStar reported that John Fox was taking over. Maybe Fox agreed to it last night and then changed his mind after sleeping on it.


Erickson wrote that story. He thought that Reich may be gone after yesterday's press conference. So he inserted that extra paragraph in case the news broke while he was traveling back from Boston.

However, he had inserted his best guess at who would take over (I mentioned in a different thread that Keefer thought it would be Ventrone). The IndyStar editor was supposed to update it with the actual interim coach. Erickson admits that he should have placed a XXXXXXXXXX as a placeholder to make it obvious that it needed to be updated.

HoosierinFL 11-07-2022 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 248661)
I think Reich got a raw deal. He’s not a bad coach but Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with that offensive line.

I have to think Ballard isn’t far behind. Hell, this is his fault more than it is Franks.

Nope, there’s no way Nelson and crew are that bad. I don’t buy this narrative they got paid and quit. This is bad coaching. Just the mere fact they couldn’t pick up stunts, over and over, speaks volumes to how bad the coaching of this team is.

CletusPyle 11-07-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 248700)
Nope, there’s no way Nelson and crew are that bad. I don’t buy this narrative they got paid and quit. This is bad coaching. Just the mere fact they couldn’t pick up stunts, over and over, speaks volumes to how bad the coaching of this team is.

My 80 year old neighbor told me this morning that the whole problem is the LT position, he said it was keeping Nelson and Kelly from being able to do their job. He said fix LT and the OL will be fine!

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 11-07-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 248696)
I'm sure that C&O, Oldcolt and a few other old timers will remember this. But, in 1986 the Colts fired Rod Dowhower after a 0-13 start and replaced him with Ron Meyer. Meyer won the final 3 games of that season.


https://twitter.com/mchappell51/stat...32418508193792

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Jeff Saturday is Colts' 5th interim HC since 1984; 4th if you exclude Bruce Arians. BA took over for 12 games in 2012 after Chuck Pagano diagnosed with leukemia. Colts 9-3 with BA, who was named Coach of the Year.
https://twitter.com/mchappell51/stat...32635039133698

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The other 3 with their W-L records:

*Rick Venturi (1-10) after Ron Meyer fired
*Ron Meyer (3-0) after Rod Dowhower fired
*Hal Hunter (0-1) after Frank Kush fired


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