ColtFreaks.com - Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

ColtFreaks.com - Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum (http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/index.php)
-   Indianapolis Colts Discussion (http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   It’s the offensive line (http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150978)

IndyNorm 10-07-2022 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 243679)
I stand corrected. Letting Glow leave for a contract we could have easily afforded.

The icing on that shit sandwich Ballard made is that Glow's cap hit this year is only 60% of Pryor's.

Chromeburn 10-07-2022 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 243651)
If the O line could get its collective shit together, Ryan might have a chance to get himself sorted out. Ryan hasnt been good, but there has been opportunity, with all the O-line breakdowns.

Colts D was pretty good. Nice to see.

If your oline is bad your QB looks bad. Hard to know what we have when the guy is under duress all the time. Is he making mistakes? Yup. Is it his fault? Not entirely.

ChaosTheory 10-07-2022 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 243682)
If your oline is bad your QB looks bad. Hard to know what we have when the guy is under duress all the time. Is he making mistakes? Yup. Is it his fault? Not entirely.

Example of why it's hard to grade Ryan:

I'm only on the second or third drive of the all 22. There's a particular play, Pittman runs a 12-15yd in-route and he's easily open in the middle of the field, and Ryan sees him the whole time, the line holds up except for Kelly who gets trashed by the nose so fast that Ryan has to bail.

Stuff like that is such a killer. You're watching a 15yd catch with room to run from a good YAC receiver just disappear. Ryan sees him and has no chance.

Chromeburn 10-09-2022 12:24 AM

https://twitter.com/vevejones007/sta...UUDF7RqtMQ7WcQ

ChaosTheory 10-09-2022 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 243753)

Jewell, the ILB, threatens to blitz and if he does Pryor takes him. That would allow Browning a free run at Ryan and it would be up to him to hit Lindsay out of the backfield.

But Jewell fakes the blitz, then covers Lindsay, so it looks like Pryor's responsibility is to slide out to Browning after Jewell is not a threat but he a little late/slow.

To be fair, this is not an easy play. But we still need a guy athletic enough to make it.

IndyNorm 10-09-2022 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 243753)

That was actually one of the better pass blocked plays of the night (smh).

CanuckColt 10-09-2022 03:23 PM

Meh.
When we talk about the Colts offensive line, we mean a line that is "offensive".

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 10-12-2022 01:08 PM

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...30544818044933

Quote:

Frank Reich says the Colts are planning to stick with Bernhard Raimann at LT and let him grow.
https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1580230720307724288

Quote:

For those curious why Colts moved Braden Smith from RT to RG:

Team wanted (needed) to shore up the pocket, and they felt Smith in the interior could do that. "Elite run blocker," Reich calls him.

Whether he stays there is fluid, but Colts knew they needed to protect Ryan better.
https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1580231220298133504

Quote:

Asked if the team has considered Danny Pinter as the starting center, regardless of Ryan Kelly's status, Reich says, "that has not been discussed."
https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1580243578957070336

Quote:

Talked with OT Dennis Kelly today, the vet tackle the Colts have yet to play. Said he's been healthy since about Week 2. "Until we find that rhythm, we keep working to find that answer," he said of the o-line issues.

Why's he not playing?

"I don’t know why that hasn’t come up."
https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1580243886831984640

Quote:

Is Dennis frustrated?

"A little bit," he said, adding later, "I came here to play."

"At the same time, everybody in here wants to play... the first month as an offense, it hasn’t gone the way we wanted it go. We’re trying to figure out the issues and how to fix it."

ChaosTheory 10-12-2022 02:12 PM

I think whatever lineup they put out this week is what we'll stick with the remainder of the season barring injury. I don't think they alter Raimann, Nelson, and Kelly on the left.

But I'm very curious what the plan is with Smith, Pryor, Fries, and D. Kelly on the right.

Colts And Orioles 10-12-2022 02:36 PM

o


In my rat's ass of an opinion, Reich ought to try something daring and challenging, such as the following ......

With the exception of the center, the other 4 offensive linemen should play the first 2 series of downs. Then, have the entire 2nd-string playing the next 2 series of downs. After that, go back to the 1st-string for the next 2 or 3 series of downs. Again, keep the same center, as he would likely have some type of rhythm when snapping the ball to the quarterback.

And while he's doing this, Reich can say to the entire 1st-string, l "Guys, if you can prove to me that you can block adequately on a regularly basis, then I will go back to keeping you in there for the entire game ...... until then, I will keeping giving you all breaks every few series of downs. Maybe you guys have been tired, and you need better conditioning. But until you can show that you are capable of at least being average in terms of blocking, then we will use this system."


For the record, I do not drink alcoholic beverages, and I don't do any drugs (marijuana, cocaine, etc) ...... I just occasionally come up with these ridiculous, insane ideas that are probably laughable in reality. When we first drafted Andrew Luck, I predicted that Case Keenum would have a longer and more distinguished NFL career than Andrew Luck ...... and while Keenum has indeed lasted longer than the retired Luck, he has not nearly come close to distinguishing himself as much as Luck did in his career.

o

Pez 10-12-2022 02:39 PM

Raimann did a good job as soon as he got calmed down. He had a tough assignment. The announcers kept saying he was having a rough go, but I think he's going to be as good or better than any of the other options we have.

I don't know much about Dennis Kelley, but would like to see him get a few snaps at RT if Smith is still struggling. Getting your money's worth on $70M is probably always a good idea, but so is winning.

I think it's a horrible idea, but I bet we see Nelson play tackle at some point this year.

JAFF 10-12-2022 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pez (Post 244214)

I think it's a horrible idea, but I bet we see Nelson play tackle at some point this year.

Wow, worse case senario

Oldcolt 10-12-2022 04:37 PM

Pez, I agree about Raimann. I would prefer to keep Smith at RT and help him get back to what he used to be. He was to good and is being paid to much to give up on yet. I thought moving him inside, on a short week no less, was idiotic. I would take that bet on Nelson, mostly because I agree with you that it is a horrible idea. Apparently I have more faith in our coaches than you do which kinda mortifies me.

Lov2fish 10-12-2022 04:56 PM

Reich said today Raimann is the starting left tackle going forward.

IndyNorm 10-12-2022 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 244230)
Wow, worse case senario

It'd be better than putting Pryor back at LT.

YDFL Commish 10-12-2022 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 244250)
It'd be better than putting Pryor back at LT.

Or on the football field.

ChaosTheory 10-12-2022 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 244231)
Pez, I agree about Raimann. I would prefer to keep Smith at RT and help him get back to what he used to be. He was to good and is being paid to much to give up on yet. I thought moving him inside, on a short week no less, was idiotic. I would take that bet on Nelson, mostly because I agree with you that it is a horrible idea. Apparently I have more faith in our coaches than you do which kinda mortifies me.

Reich explained the move. He's said that one of the two biggest issues for the team was running the ball. Particularly that failing to run early was leading to a lot of 2nd/3rd and longs where the D pins their ears back

Then he said Braden Smith is "elite" in run blocking and a natural RG from his college days. They also needed more of an inside pocket. So there's his justification.

For what it's worth... I didn't rewatch the whole game, but from what I saw, Smith might've been our best OL vs DEN. And while it wasn't amazing or anything, our #3/#4 RBs did run for over 100yds at 4.3ypc. Easily our best rushing game since Week 1.

Pez 10-13-2022 02:27 PM

I think this...

LT - Raimann
LG - Nelson
C - Pinter
RG - Fries
RT - Smith, spell with D. Kelly

Chromeburn 10-13-2022 02:49 PM

I’m wondering is Dennis Kelly is still not healthy. They seem reluctant to put him out there. I think Pryor is gone from the starting lineup now. Not sure who will be at RG though.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/ra...ms-and-broncos


Good write up here. So right now Ryan sits at 2.8 seconds per throw. I think that is deceiving. Matt Pryor and Smith BOTH rank in the top seven for blown blocks. Both on one team. That’s ridiculous. I think Ryan is having to change position after 1.5 seconds trying to extend the play and he then has to reaquire a target. What I’m seeing out there is very very little time to set and throw.

omahacolt 10-13-2022 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pez (Post 244304)
I think this...

LT - Raimann
LG - Nelson
C - Pinter
RG - Fries
RT - Smith, spell with D. Kelly

why would you spell Smith?

rotating tackles is stupid. play the best 5 and move on

Colts And Orioles 10-17-2022 10:08 AM

o


(vs. JAGUARS, 10/16)



The offensive line allowed 0 sacks while Matt Ryan threw 58 pass attempts.



Offensive Line Decided to Shut Off the Sack ‘Nozzle’

(By Mike Chappell)

https://fox59.com/sports/colts/offen...e-sack-nozzle/

o

Chromeburn 10-23-2022 10:56 AM

So I learned the other day that the Colts like Darrisaw last year and if Paye hadn’t been there they would have taken Darrisaw for left tackle. Their grades were near even I guess and the Colts placed a little higher positional value on DE than LT.

omahacolt 10-23-2022 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 245644)
So I learned the other day that the Colts like Darrisaw last year and if Paye hadn’t been there they would have taken Darrisaw for left tackle. Their grades were near even I guess and the Colts placed a little higher positional value on DE than LT.

wish they would have taken darrisaw

HoosierinFL 10-23-2022 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 245647)
wish they would have taken darrisaw

Yea as much as I like Paye setting the edge his value isn’t nearly the same as someone who could lock down LT for several years.

Maybe if Paye becomes a double digit sack guy but I just don’t see that happening.

Dam8610 10-23-2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 245658)
Yea as much as I like Paye setting the edge his value isn’t nearly the same as someone who could lock down LT for several years.

Maybe if Paye becomes a double digit sack guy but I just don’t see that happening.

His career high will be 10-12 sacks, but it will only happen once or twice. Apart from that, he'll be an excellent compliment to whoever the real pass rusher on the team is at best. That's why I didn't want the Colts to draft him at 21.

Dam8610 10-23-2022 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 245647)
wish they would have taken darrisaw

That would've made me happy as well. Would've been the right position, even if wrong player.

YDFL Commish 10-24-2022 05:17 AM

How long are we going to keep playing the dog shit that is Matt Pryor?

Colts And Orioles 10-26-2022 11:17 AM

o


Speaking of the offensive line, when I was in 6th grade during the War of 1812, Mr. Martino asked the class ...... "Which part of the team do you start with when you are building a new squad ???"


He said that you don't start with the quarterback ...... you don't start with the special teams ..... you don't start with the running backs ...... you don't start with the pass-rushers ...... you start with the offensive line, because without the offensive line, you have nothing.



I still believe that to be true ...... and if that is indeed true, it's a minor miracle that the Colts have a record of 3-3-1 with an offensive line that has had a grand total of 1 good game.

o

Colts And Orioles 11-03-2022 07:47 PM

o


Colts’ Offensive Line Struggles: Where has It All Gone Wrong?

(By Zak Keefer)

https://theathletic.com/3748963/2022...line-problems/



Yards-Per-Attempt

2021: )) 5.09 (1st)

2022: )) 3.71 (29th)

Yards-Per-Game

2021: )) 149.4 (2nd)

2022: )) 87.7 (29th)

Yards Before Contact

2021: )) 1.69 (9th)

2022: )) 1.07 (27th)

% of Runs vs. 8+ Box

2021: )) 43.1 (10th)

2022: )) 21.2 (32nd)

Rush Success Rate

2021: )) 43.5 (4th)

2022: )) 34.6 (29th)

Rush 1st Down Rate

2021: )) 30.9 (1st)

2022: )) 21.2 (28th)

Rushing TDs

2021: )) 22 (5th)

2022: )) 3 (32nd)

20+Yard Runs

2021: )) 19 (1st)

2022: )) 4 (25th)

40+Yard Runs

2021: )) 5 (1st)

2022: )) 0 (32nd)

o

Dam8610 11-04-2022 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 247795)
o


Colts’ Offensive Line Struggles: Where has It All Gone Wrong?

(By Zak Keefer)

https://theathletic.com/3748963/2022...line-problems/



Yards-Per-Attempt

2021: )) 5.09 (1st)

2022: )) 3.71 (29th)

Yards-Per-Game

2021: )) 149.4 (2nd)

2022: )) 87.7 (29th)

Yards Before Contact

2021: )) 1.69 (9th)

2022: )) 1.07 (27th)

% of Runs vs. 8+ Box

2021: )) 43.1 (10th)

2022: )) 21.2 (32nd)

Rush Success Rate

2021: )) 43.5 (4th)

2022: )) 34.6 (29th)

Rush 1st Down Rate

2021: )) 30.9 (1st)

2022: )) 21.2 (28th)

Rushing TDs

2021: )) 22 (5th)

2022: )) 3 (32nd)

20+Yard Runs

2021: )) 19 (1st)

2022: )) 4 (25th)

40+Yard Runs

2021: )) 5 (1st)

2022: )) 0 (32nd)

o

Looks to me like the league's best RB has a high ankle sprain and other RBs are not capable of producing at the level of Jonathan Taylor. Let's put up one more stat on this for context: what was the percentage of carries that went to Taylor in 2021 and what is the percentage of carries that has gone to him in 2022?

Colts And Orioles 11-05-2022 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 247905)



Looks to me like the league's best RB has a high ankle sprain, and other RB's are not capable of producing at the level of Jonathan Taylor. Let's put up one more stat on this for context ...... what was the percentage of carries that went to Taylor in 2021, and what is the percentage of carries that has gone to him in 2022 ???




o



Percentage of Jonathan Taylor Rushes


2021: )) 66.5% )) (332 of 499)

2022: )) 57.6% )) (107 of 189)



Jonathan Taylor, Yards-Per-Carry


2021: )) 5.5 )) (332 l Attempts, l 1,811 , Yards)

2022: ll) 4.3 )) (107 l Attempts, . 462l. l. Yards)



Nyheim Hines, Yards-Per-Carry


2021: )) 4.9 )) (56 l Attempts, l 276 , Yards)

2022: ll) 2.0 )) (18 , Attempts, . 36 lll Yards)


o

Colts And Orioles 11-06-2022 07:28 PM

o


The Los Angeles Rams are another team whose offensive line has been significantly worse in 2022 than it was last year.


Last year, the Rams won the Super Bowl behind a solid offensive line.

This year, I just saw that their longest run of the season was ...... 23 yards.

o

YDFL Commish 11-06-2022 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 248433)
o


The Los Angeles Rams are another team whose offensive line has been significantly worse in 2022 than it was last year.


Last year, the Rams won the Super Bowl behind a solid offensive line.

This year, I just saw that their longest run of the season was ...... 23 yards.

o

Just stop posting on other teams. The only team that matters is the Colts and their sucktivity.

I don't give 2 shits on how much another team sucks or how good they are unless it directly effects the Colts.

Colts And Orioles 11-06-2022 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 248445)


Just stop posting on other teams. The only team that matters is the Colts and their sucktivity.

I don't give 2 shits on how much another team sucks or how good they are unless it directly effects the Colts.



o


I have been one of the few posters on Colt Freaks that has consistently abided by the policy of not posting NFL-related threads here in the main section. One solitary post that correlates a similarity between the Colts' offensive line struggles and another team's offensive line struggles in a thread in which I predominantly and primarily post about the Colts shouldn't ruffle your feathers. If you're that much of a cry-baby about it, too bad.

o

Colts And Orioles 11-13-2022 10:33 PM

o


(vs. RAIDERS, 11/13)



The offensive line had its 2nd solid game so far this season ...... out of 10 games overall.

o

Colts And Orioles 11-20-2022 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 249912)
o


(vs. RAIDERS, 11/13)



The offensive line had its 2nd solid game so far this season ...... out of 10 games overall.

o

o


(vs. EAGLES, 11/20)



In my rat's ass of an opinion, this was the second consecutive solid game for the offensive line, and the 3rd overall this season ...... they looked almost as good against a top-tier team like the Eagles as they did against a below-average team like the Raiders.

o

Chromeburn 11-21-2022 05:58 PM

I was hopeful that they might figure things out as we went along. But I think now it’s just too much to overcome. Too much change and I think the talent has diminished. But this is just getting whooped. Funny how we still almost won this game.

https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/...qQdoEM3OT9sjPg

JAFF 11-21-2022 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 251202)
I was hopeful that they might figure things out as we went along. But I think now it’s just too much to overcome. Too much change and I think the talent has diminished. But this is just getting whooped. Funny how we still almost won this game.

https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/...qQdoEM3OT9sjPg

They still had the effort, they played all 60 minutes. I would like the coaches to be more aggressive in the play calling. Why not?

Hoopsdoc 11-21-2022 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 251202)
I was hopeful that they might figure things out as we went along. But I think now it’s just too much to overcome. Too much change and I think the talent has diminished. But this is just getting whooped. Funny how we still almost won this game.

https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/...qQdoEM3OT9sjPg

I’m starting to wonder if Ryan Kelly’s heart is still in this. That was painful to watch.

He has to go.

Chromeburn 11-22-2022 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 251215)
They still had the effort, they played all 60 minutes. I would like the coaches to be more aggressive in the play calling. Why not?

Because they can’t hold up in pass protection and I suspect Ryan’s arm is not completely healed.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
ColtFreaks.com is in no way affiliated with the Indianapolis Colts, the NFL, or any of their subsidiaries.