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ChoppedWood 01-13-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Drewtone (Post 220876)
I haven't lived in Indy for a long-ass time, but I listened to Dakich a bit here and there over the summer.... when did that fucker go off the deep end? And is he buddies with Grigson or something?

I don't think there is any doubt there's some kind of kick back thing going on with Grigson. Maybe he's been promised some position in the next organization Grigson soils, who knows, but yeah it's way over the top.

Chromeburn 01-13-2022 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Drewtone (Post 220876)
I haven't lived in Indy for a long-ass time, but I listened to Dakich a bit here and there over the summer.... when did that fucker go off the deep end? And is he buddies with Grigson or something?

He’s a tool. More concerned with stroking his ego. Knows next to nothing about football. Keeps pushing the Grigson narrative because I think he has a hard on for Ballard. I’ll listen to him about basketball but tune him out on football. It’s fine when you need someone to be devils advocate, Dakich will say the stuff no one is Reich should be fired/Wentz sucks etc. But if you listened to him the team would be the Giants looking for a head coach every couple years. He’s mostly just pissed bc they turn down the majority of his interview requests, but when they do go on he kisses ass. If I need a bad idea I’ll go to Dakich.

Hoopsdoc 01-13-2022 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 220860)
Gardner Minshew anyone? Throws with anticipation. Accurate. Sees the field.

One more thing, he hates the Jaguars, so he will always be up for that game.

https://youtu.be/PBHN3dflVyM

I would actually rather bring in Minshew and have him compete with Ehlinger than roll another year with Wentz.

daedge 01-13-2022 04:51 PM

I wish Reich would cut out the painful "climbing the mountain" cliches.

rcubed 01-13-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 220934)
I wish Reich would cut out the painful "climbing the mountain" cliches.

it was probably his theme for the year. probably will be something new next year.

ChoppedWood 01-13-2022 06:20 PM

This is a good article on the Wentz quandry:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sounds-...205538390.html

My favorite line:
And most of all, Wentz had a penchant for making things more complicated than they had to be in the offense, either failing to embrace the simple plays or simply choosing to force bad decisions. So much so that the Eagles' internal data on dropped interceptions placed Wentz amongst the NFL’s worst when it came to that category.

It is kind of crazy how many he got away with this year. He could have had FAR worse TO stats than he did--- but for being lucky.

Man if they go forward with him, Jim is going to have to find some creative ways to sell tix because people are fed up with trash and have far more entertainment opportunities with every passing year.

CletusPyle 01-13-2022 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 220934)
I wish Reich would cut out the painful "climbing the mountain" cliches.

I would suggest he use "chopping wood"!

HoosierinFL 01-13-2022 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 220878)
I don't think there is any doubt there's some kind of kick back thing going on with Grigson. Maybe he's been promised some position in the next organization Grigson soils, who knows, but yeah it's way over the top.

I'm sure its pretty simple. Dakich played under Knight who was a raging asshole but successful, and thus he believes that you have to be a raging asshole to be good in sports. So Dakich is an asshole, and thinks anyone who is a raging asshole must really be good at what they do, and anyone who can't stand them is probably just to weak to cut it. Hence Grigson = good, and that both the Colts and the Hoosiers will stink until some raging assholes get put back in charge.

IndyNorm 01-13-2022 10:55 PM

I didn't watch the whole thing, but the most glaring thing from what I saw (other than Wentz is a total dumbass) was how wide open JT/Hines was on every play Warner reviewed. Hitting the RB out of the backfield in stride was something Rivers was great at, and led to a lot of big plays in '20. We really need to get back to more of that.

Chromeburn 01-13-2022 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 220999)
I didn't watch the whole thing, but the most glaring thing from what I saw (other than Wentz is a total dumbass) was how wide open JT/Hines was on every play Warner reviewed. Hitting the RB out of the backfield in stride was something Rivers was great at, and led to a lot of big plays in '20. We really need to get back to more of that.

It is asinine that we didn't throw to them more. Hines was criminally underused. JT with a full head of steam is a virtual first down. I really think Wentz cost us a playoff berth.

rcubed 01-14-2022 12:03 AM

Watching this reminded me of the same type of video showing trent richardson making the wrong decision almost every run.

ChaosTheory 01-14-2022 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 221004)
It is asinine that we didn't throw to them more. Hines was criminally underused. JT with a full head of steam is a virtual first down. I really think Wentz cost us a playoff berth.

The "layups" Ballard mentioned. The downstream effect of hitting some of those would've been huge.

Chromeburn 01-14-2022 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 221007)
The "layups" Ballard mentioned. The downstream effect of hitting some of those would've been huge.

Just simply connecting passes and sustaining drives. We would have had a very bad year if JT had not emerged.

Racehorse 01-14-2022 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 221007)
The "layups" Ballard mentioned. The downstream effect of hitting some of those would've been huge.

Those, plus the miss to a wide open TY was a missed layup.

Colts And Orioles 01-14-2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 221018)



Those, plus the miss to a wide open TY was a missed lay-up.




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CletusPyle 01-14-2022 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 221020)

I was at that game....that one hurt!

Colts And Orioles 01-14-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 221022)



I was at that game ...... that one hurt !!!




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If Miller had gone for the dunk instead of the lay-up, he might have had a 3-point play ...... one of the many "what-ifs" in sports history.

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Chromeburn 01-14-2022 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 220860)
Gardner Minshew anyone? Throws with anticipation. Accurate. Sees the field.

One more thing, he hates the Jaguars, so he will always be up for that game.

https://youtu.be/PBHN3dflVyM

More press for Minshew. Ballard said he wonders who the next Brady is and who will get him.

https://medium.com/kicks-n-cleats/th...t-8f8e63610590

rcubed 01-14-2022 02:55 PM

I wouldnt mind minshew next season.

I was on board with the wentz trade, but would probably just cut loses at this point.

DragonTails 01-14-2022 03:26 PM

Maybe they can trade Wentz back to Philly after this weekend. lol

He should have just dumped the ball off to JT all game. I've been saying that for weeks.

Puck 01-14-2022 06:54 PM

So I finally sat and watched this. WOW. Can Kurt still play??? This tells me that ANY QB the Colts bring in. I care less about anything than brains.

In my crazy back of my mind when you sort through it all.... I think when Frank made the call to Rivers when Wentz had Covid. he almost hoped Rivers would say YES and then he had a reason to bench Wentz for the playoffs.

With Rivers we win BOTH of the last games. And probably both blow outs

Puck 01-14-2022 11:57 PM

I look back at this season. And with Rivers. We may be undefeated.

Discflinger 01-15-2022 12:00 AM

I love what you say

Discflinger 01-15-2022 12:09 AM

I saw Spiders Mans and the laughing was more than the moning. Felt sorry for the everyone. They went to the sellout.

Discflinger 01-15-2022 12:10 AM

Phillip was our man. Two times.

Dam8610 01-15-2022 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 221122)
I look back at this season. And with Rivers. We may be undefeated.

Disagree, his arm was gone. He probably would've been better than Wentz, but not by a whole lot.

Puck 01-15-2022 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 221127)
Disagree, his arm was gone. He probably would've been better than Wentz, but not by a whole lot.

We are gonna disagree on this and that is fine....

Rivers had exceptional knowledge of the game. Maning like knowledge

The RB and short passing game would have killed most teams.

And Rivers was top 10 in long ball passes ( correct me if I'm wrong)

Rivers would have torn this schedule apart

Discflinger 01-15-2022 03:43 AM

Yep. I apologize for drunk posting, but, meh.

rm1369 01-15-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 221122)
I look back at this season. And with Rivers. We may be undefeated.

No way. Especially with the early injuries along the line and lack of pass rush. They make the playoffs with Rivers though.

Racehorse 01-15-2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 221124)
I saw Spiders Mans and the laughing was more than the moning. Felt sorry for the everyone. They went to the sellout.

English, please

omahacolt 01-15-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 221130)
Yep. I apologize for drunk posting, but, meh.

never apologize for drunk posting buddy

Puck 01-15-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 221133)
No way. Especially with the early injuries along the line and lack of pass rush. They make the playoffs with Rivers though.

We were in every game. With Rivers on a second yr there would have much less adjustment on offense.

I'd love to see Warner break down all of Wentz's games I would bet he was bad in most of them.

Just saying. Rivers is 10 times the QB that Wentz is right now.

Hopefully they get him fixed

Oldcolt 01-15-2022 12:13 PM

Puck, do you think that they will try to 'fix' Wentz? I think that is the most likely outcome this year. With all we have invested in him there will be a lot of pressure to try one more year. One thing that bothers me is that, as far as I know, not one teammate has spoken out in support of Wentz. To me that is very telling. Sucks

Puck 01-15-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 221149)
Puck, do you think that they will try to 'fix' Wentz? I think that is the most likely outcome this year. With all we have invested in him there will be a lot of pressure to try one more year. One thing that bothers me is that, as far as I know, not one teammate has spoken out in support of Wentz. To me that is very telling. Sucks

I think that is the plan. Only because I don't see better option out there without using multiple 1st round picks. And we don't have one this yr, I am am pretty sure you cannot trade beyond 2 yrs. So we only have a 1st next yr since we don't have one this yr

There is a chance that Carr will come available. If so Ballard needs to go after him aggressively

Oldcolt 01-15-2022 02:07 PM

Unfortunately Puck, I agree with you. If he is fixable it will be such a miracle I may need to convert to Christianity.

omahacolt 01-16-2022 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 221148)
We were in every game. With Rivers on a second yr there would have much less adjustment on offense.

I'd love to see Warner break down all of Wentz's games I would bet he was bad in most of them.

Just saying. Rivers is 10 times the QB that Wentz is right now.

Hopefully they get him fixed

hopefully they get him cut

Chromeburn 01-16-2022 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 221148)
We were in every game. With Rivers on a second yr there would have much less adjustment on offense.

I'd love to see Warner break down all of Wentz's games I would bet he was bad in most of them.

Just saying. Rivers is 10 times the QB that Wentz is right now.

Hopefully they get him fixed

Stampede blue did a stat analysis after each week. They are pretty good. Basically they don’t paint a pretty picture. Inconsistent at best is how I would describe it.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/stats-and-stats-i-hate

JAFF 01-16-2022 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 221142)
never apologize for drunk posting buddy

Those are his best posts

Puck 01-16-2022 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 221241)
hopefully they get him cut

If they have a better option that makes sense then yes of course

Oldcolt 01-17-2022 12:07 AM

I fear we are stuck with this fool (Wentz) for at least one more year. Options are limited. I had always thought it was a two year deal. I just didn't think he would end up getting shittier as the year went on. I think we sign Fisher for one more year. I saw him as a two year deal with his pass blocking coming back the second year. If I remember many people felt it would take a full year to get the quickness and explosiveness back that is needed to effectively pass block.


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