I think some of you are being way too hard on Wentz...I think the guy is a pretty good fit for the Colts! He is a competitor, tough as nails, strong, and at times shows a lot of skill at his position. He had a bad game today, reverted back to some of his bonehead reckless plays and held the ball way too long at times!

I also didn't like some of the play calling in this game down the stretch, I hated the passes to Hines on that last drive. He is still a young guy, he is going to get better! And as much as I hate to say it, because he is one of my favorite players, Kenny Moore did not have a great game today either!

I am tired of the high throws. Two weeks in a row with too many of them. Last week he pulled it out. Not so much this week.

Yep we got back to Frank being crafty Frank today- like the jet dive to Jackson on 3rd down. It generally never works, but hey, in his mind I bet he thinks he is really getting over on them and when he goes home he high fives himself for such plays.

He has all the physical tools to be an exceptional QB. The part between his ears are his biggest obstacle and I am not sure anyone is going to coach that out of him. The high throws and inability to hit a receiver in stride is not something that just came about today. It has been an issue all year, it just gets magnified in the losses, mainly cause the glaring problem in the losses are him.

What would it take to get Minshew in here as a backup. Might be the best backup in the league


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And yet the throw he made to Patmon in the back of the endzone was as good and accurate of a pass as I've ever seen. Not only hit him in stride, but was perfectly placed! I still contend that he is young enough that many of his bad decisions/habits can be "coached out of him"....maybe he needs a better QB coach?

I could be wrong, but I don't see him going anywhere, any time soon! He is still much better than any QB we could have drafted this year, and with our D, which is only going to get better, and Jonathan, he doesn't have to be Peyton Manning for this team to win a championship! Just my two cents....

This is the way I see it..

Sure, we could have had Minshew, but not at the rate that the Eagles paid to get him, since we are a division rival and all. Jax would have tried to fleece us and he really is just a game managing type that has already shown his limitations.

We could have went after Stafford hard and mortgaged our future to do so...that decision in hindsight might have given us *maybe* one Lombardi with the time Stafford has left. We would be rebuilding again in 4 years (with LA having all of our draft picks) and that plan would have required us to bring in more receiving talent as well.

Could have went Winston, Darnold, Dalton. I think Winston would have given us very much the same as what Carson has, Dalton and Foles would have given us the same as Minshew- game management but no ability to blow the top off and will our team to a win, which Carson at least has shown a propensity to do. It might be the ugliest turnover in the world, which we have seen ad-nauseum with Wentz this season....or it results in a TD, which we saw to Pittman vs SF and TY yesterday. Prayer balls...and Carson is a Jesus man after all.

And that leaves the rookie class. Lawrence has been historically bad, Lance has barely seen the field and hasn't looked great when he has, and Fields has been bad, lets not sugarcoat it. Zach Wilson much of the same.
As for the Qb's that we may not have had to trade the farm to acquire, Mac Jones and Mills from Houston have both outperformed expectations but do YOU really want either of them RIGHT NOW for the Colts over Wentz?

Maybe, but its close.

We don't have the capital to go get a young stud QB anyways, but I think we absolutely have to replace Wentz by the time his contract expires. That gives us another season of building around him/coaching him and if he exceeds expectations great, but I am not betting on it after year 6 in the league. He actually profiles as the perfect backup QB if not for the cost.

just ask your mom if you want to see mine

A couple people wanted to draft Mac Jones, I was one of them. Before we traded for Wentz. We are stuck with Wentz for right now. He has to improve or we will have another wasted season.

Really, you don't know how some of these other QB's would perform on this team. A solid defense and dominant running game is picture perfect for an incoming QB. But Wentz can't even beat single-man coverage. If he doesn't improve it will be a short playoff trip.

Its the part about him having every tangible to be an exceptional QB. He will hit a throw like that, but they are rarer than they should be. To be above average in this league you need consistency. He doesn't have it. He has a beast of a warrior mentality. No questioning his toughness, but we need more than that from him to take the next step.

I have been a fan since before they got to Indy. I will always be a loyal Colt fan. I won't however see everything through blue glasses. I am realistic and this team needs help for a truly consistent playoff run every year. Catching lightening in a bottle will only get ya so far.

Any thoughts/answers are welcome...

Wentz criticisms are noted enough. Overthrows, antsy with pressure, heave-and-a-prayer type throws... Plus, we just paid a 1st and 3rd, Reich loves him, and I think his flaws make him inconsistent, not necessarily bad. He's our guy at least for a while.

So aside from Wentz, how was our passing offense? Without watching the all-22 it's hard to judge receivers down field. But we are lacking behind Pittman. And I love Pittman, but he's a football player before he's a receiver. Ideally, if he's our #2, that's awesome.

Doyle being out was also big.

Also, I haven't rewatched the O-line yet, but remember the impact of one guy being out when Castonzo was here? Fisher is not as good as Castonzo, but I want to go back and pay attention to Pryor. Not to mention it was Kelly's first game back. Maybe they did alright?

well yeah our wr's are underperforming as well. we need help there for sure. pascal should not constantly get over 60% of the wr snaps.

the oline wasn't great yesterday. Pryor wasn't too bad pass blocking. he had some bad plays but overall he seemed fine.

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Get yo head out yo ass and realize that Wetnz sucks! We all see it. I've lived through Pagel, Trudeau, Schlicter, Herman... to say this was on a par with them is both embarrassing and true.

Don't forget to toss Jeff George in there, the dude from Green Bay whos name I can't spell how it was pronounced. Just a long list of nobodies after Jones until Peyton

You are just wrong if you think Wentz is on par with Trudeau or Herman, what games are you watching?

I would say he does remind me a little of Harbaugh, but I think he is slightly better. This team could easily have the #1 seed with just a few breaks in those early close losses....and all of those were not Wentz's fault! I think Wentz is going to prove you wrong, if not this season, next year for sure!

Nobody hopes you're right more than me. I have been a true fan since circa 78/79 Harbaugh threw a good ball. He didn't have an overpowering arm, but he was accurate and had ice water in his veins when the game was on the line. Dude didn't flinch.

Nobody will ever convince me that the Colts didn't beat the Steelers in '95...Harbaugh's Colts team should have gone to the Super Bowl!

Grew up watching football with dad and grandpa, but '95 was the first season I really followed it on my own. That playoff run was amazing and hooked me on the Colts.

And then they beat the Cowboys early next season. Man, the ultimate what-if.

This is the thing that make me really upset since Frank is the reason we have him. When we cut Wentz Reich should be fired.

Don Majkowski

Yeah talk about some rough years until Peyton.

Agree about Harbaugh beating Steelers.. I also think that team had a chance to beat the Cowboys too. NFL wanted their Steelers vs Cowboys SB.

I started following in '89. I remember the Emtman draft. I was so pumped for that guy. He would have been good if his knees hadn't given out.

It was a long road to Peyton and the winning years.


As for Wentz, until he shows he can beat man coverage with accurate passes, defenses will stack the box and blitz him. Tannenhill roasted the Dolphins when they blitzed him Sunday. Wentz needs to be able to do that. He doesn't need to be a top 5 QB, just top 20. But I don't know if he can do that. I never know what kind of pass is coming out of his hands.