Luck gave it 100% every game. Thats how he got a ruptured organ trying to score.

He will have a life time of health issues from playing football. Everyone else needs to get over it

We are

Kinda like people saying to sit Wentz so we can keep the pick we're giving to Philly. Do that, and other teams won't want to deal with the Colts anymore because we don't make deals in good faith. It's like backing out of a bet or writing a bad check.

Then why this conversation?

Because it is a message board that's why! You leftists need to stop your BS narratives trying to dissuade others from expressing their thoughts. I don't agree with everything everyone says, but it's their right to say what they feel.

Until someone does do it. Happens to players all the time. Coaches change their mind at the 11th hour. Take another job right after accepting one. Very little loyalty in sports.

Its has nothing to do with politics, why do YOU insist on making it something it isnt?

Luck is gone and he wont be back. Despite a lousy HC and a crappy GM, he dragged the Colts towards success until he was physically unable to continue. He damn near died from a ruptured organ, in front of the home town crowd.

He earned every bit of his contract, he left his blood on the LOS field.

Maybe we need to ask why are they playing Wentz on two bad legs? Havent they learned anything about protecting a talented player?

There is a whole lot of shit I'm over that I still talk about. Just giving my worthless opinion like all the assholes around here.

he was great. and nobody is "lets suck his dick good"

well you can pretend that is comparable but it isn't. it isn't at all.


firing a coach because he got cancer in his first year wasnt ever going to happen.

You can pretend that this doesn’t happen in other other companies but it does.

They just don’t have local media covering the issue. And those people aren’t millionaires being replaced with millionaires.

Would it have happened here, probably not. But it will happen eventually.

Omaha is correct, it was never going to happen. Arians would never have taken the job in that situation, it is to scumbaggy even for football coaches. Same with Irsay. At the time when Pagano came back quite a few Freaks thought Arians was better but everyone knew it wouldn't happen.Being that disloyal to a man that hired you just isn't in Arians DNA.

This would be completely different than sitting Wentz to protect our first. We wouldn't be fucking a teammate to begin with. Doubt that Irsay, Ballard or Reich would go for such a thing but I couldn't care less if we did. If Phili wanted assurances that Wentz would play if healthy they should have put it into the deal. I'm not sure why people think we owe it to Phili to play Wentz. Where is that written?

A lot of people thought he was better. There were articles written about it. No one suggested replacing him, but they were thinking it. And there were some reflective articles written about it years after. Maybe things would have turned out differently with Luck.

Wentz is injured. He should have been resting not playing. That Titans game was ridiculous watching him hobble around. If they truly think he is the answer then they should be protecting him. If it’s because they didn’t think they had a good backup, well that’s on them.

nope

it will never happen

Totally unrelated to anything, but watching the Falcons Jets game I discovered that your boy TJ Green is somehow still in the league. Plays for the Falcons.

I only know because he ran into his own returner during a punt return. :)

How that turd is still drawing an NFL paycheck is one of life’s great mysteries.

If the Colts are sitting in a position for a Top 10 pick, no shot at the playoffs and need to sit Wentz for the last 4 weeks to get it, they would be there complete laughingstock of the league if they played him and gave the Eagles a Top 10 pick. It would be a move so stupid that it would be hard to comprehend how anyone could be that stupid.

Agreed. I remember being bummed and a little upset after the week or so it happened, but at this point being mad about it is just bizarre.

I don't understand this rationale at all. The idea of trading a potential first for Wentz is that he's worth the pick. If he plays and the Colts suck to the point they aren't in playoff contention, he's not worth a first.

how is that my boy?

you don't bench a player to help your position. what kind of person are you? i always knew colts fans were racist and generally bad people but jesus. ethics, morals and integrity are missing from indiana i see

I'm not even from Indiana so as usual your bashing is a swing and a miss. And you absolutely do bench a player to help your position unless you're a total fucking moron.

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This discussion about benching Wentz and/or not necessarily fielding their best team should the Colts be in the tank late in this 2021 season is mildly reminiscent of what happened late in the 2011 season. With Peyton Manning out for the entire year with a neck injury, the Colts started the season at 0-13. They seemed well on their way to getting the #1 overall pick (the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes) when they won 2 games in a row, and went right down to the wire in the final game of the season ........ a game in which it would have cost them that 1st overall pick had they won it, as the St. Louis Rams also went 2-14 that season. In that final game against the Jaguars I remember the Colts scoring a touchdown late in the 4th quarter to cut the deficit to 19-13, and then calling timeouts on defense to try to get the ball back when the Jaguars were trying to run out the clock.

It's not the same exact situation as the one being discussed now, but there is an element of "Are you we playing for now, or are we playing for the future?" element to both of them.

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other states make people that are pieces of shit as well.


and no you fucking don't bench the player just for the draft pick. this may be a surprise to you, but a lot of people aren't pieces of shit. you make a deal, you honor the deal.

it really shouldn't even be a discussion in the front office and i'm sure it isn't

You mean other states, where even in the states with the least population have hundreds of thousands of people, have people who suck in them? Brilliant fucking revelation there.

How exactly isn't that honoring the deal? The deal doesn't state that Wentz had to be healthy. I imagine it is being discussed in the front office as a potential move because I imagine the front office isn't that dumb.

Really? Wow, just blanket condemnation for an entire state for one persons opinion

Omaha is a moron on anything other than football.

For someone who isn't even from the state.

But (so I hear) there are assholes in every state! So, uh, there's that.

They say the truth hurts. If it isn't true then it doesn't phase you and you move on.

A lot of his statement is closer to right than wrong.

But Wentz is Healthy. So why sit him? Because his ankles? Most players play through an injury. So we should sit Leonard too then. Let's sit a lot of other players too since they are dealing with injury.

Ballard made the decision to give up a first round pick.

The great Curtis Painter was a huge part of the 2011 season...but it was Orlovsky that blew the last game and secured the first pick!

Lol. Omaha saying a fans opinion that the Colts should sit their white quarterback for the black back up so they can keep their first round pick means that all Colts fans are bad people and somehow racist is really dumb. Dumb things should be pointed out.

There’s no need to defend it.

Wentz is far from healthy. And there wouldn’t be anything wrong with sitting him with an eye toward keeping the pick, as long as he was ok with it.

If Philly didn’t want to risk not getting the 1st rounder, they shouldn’t have made the deal. There’s nothing unethical about it.

Do you expect players to fulfill the contract they signed no matter what? How is that different?

I live in Tennessee. I can confirm the existence of quite a few in this state.

As to racism, it is more subtle in Indiana but seemed far more prevalent there than here.

All I know is there have been times when I have been at bar on 38th and Sherman and did not feel very welcome.....:D

Are you a POC, or an asshole? I mean, assholes are never welcome anywhere.

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, that 2011 season illustrated just how valuable Peyton Manning was to a team (any team that he plays/played for, not just the Colts.)

Larry Bird almost single-handedly took the 2nd-worst team in the NBA (the 1978-79 Boston Celtics) and led them to the best record in the NBA (61-21) in his rookie season in 1979-80 ...... and when Bird missed almost the entire 1988-89 season, the Celtics went from being a perennial juggernaut to being just an average team with a record of 42-40.

True greatness is not necessarily measured by how many championships a player's teams have won, but more so what happens to the team without that player (see LeBron James for another quintessential example of what happens to a team/franchise when that player leaves.)

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No he didn't. He made the decision to give up a first round pick if Wentz plays 75% of his snaps, or 70% if the Colts make the playoffs.

So let's say by the 14th game Wentz needs to sit out the next four to get the Colts under that 75% mark, and the Colts have a horrible record like 3-10 or something and are well out of the playoff race.

What exactly is the benefit of playing him? At that point the negatives are plenty. Wentz could hurt himself the next four games in games that are meaningless for the Colts and the Colts would lose a potential top 5 or whatever pick all because...they want to follow some unwritten rules of a deal? Imagine the shitstorm that would follow if Wentz played in this scenario to the point where the Colts lost their first round pick, then he has like an ACL tear or some real significant injury. At that point the Colts wouldn't even have a high pick to fall back on.

If the deal was that Wentz was expected to play for anything other than injuries, they could have mandated that healthy scratches don't count for the snap count in the deal. Then if the Colts claimed he had a sore ankle or whatever to get him on the injury report one could make the claim the Colts were being unethical. In this case, the deal is pretty simple. He either plays 70/75% of his snaps or he doesn't.

If Ballard really wanted to trade a first round pick for the guy, he would have. These conditions are here for a reason. Either for injury, he sucks so bad that they'd rather play the backup, or the Colts suck so bad with him that they don't want to give up a first round pick.

that is because you are a shitty person apparently. if you have no integrity, your opinion is irrelevant to any debate or conversation.

i grew up in indiana and still have ties there. it is a very racist place and littered with methheads and garbage people.

if you don't fit that description then that is fine but don't pretend that isn't the truth

well that isn't even close to the point but ok. someone feels guilty i see