You believe we have seen a decrease in stupid behavior in the USA over the last year?

Every draft pick is a crap shoot. Eason has qualities that cant be taught. But he wasnt close to a finished product. Thats why he got drafted low in the draft. I am hoping the reason they didnt wait and get him as an UDFA, is that he has a good football IQ and has shown he coachable.

You dont by a ticket, you cant win. The Colts will need to find a guy like Brady, who had the tools and the brains and the work effort to succeed. And you have the right staff and coach the hell out of them

5 years there has seen a steady increase in dumbassery and its not just one group. Its been a nation effort.

Did I somehow misinterpret the below? Because it seems like you describe qualities that Reich prefers in QBs, including slow, then say Trey Lance fits the bill:

Also, I watched enough Mac Jones to know he's more athletic than your typical 4.8+ 40 pocket passer. He is elusive in the pocket, and he's a threat to run the ball for significant yardage when the pocket breaks down. He's not as fast as Russell Wilson, but I'd be willing to bet he's not as slow as Drew Brees, either.

Regarding Eason, we'll have to agree to disagree, because all the 4th round or later QBs that I can remember coming into the NFL and spending any significant time as a starter got their opportunity because the starter in front of them got injured. I can't think of any since 2000 for whom that's not the case. That suggests a pattern to me.

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I'd buy 2 tickets for that dream as a fan/observer, but I wouldn't count on it if I were the GM of the Colts in 2021 and beyond.

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What I was saying is Mac Jones is shorter, slow and doesn’t have a big arm. I do like Jones other intangibles, but he does not fit the profile I think Reich prefers. Trey Lance seems to possess the traits Reich covets; athletic, big arm, tall.

Eason literally has an opportunity right now to step up. The reason he isn’t the starter is bc he isn’t very good, not bc there is someone in front of him. If he was good they would consider it. Teams were not impressed with his football knowledge at the combine after interviews. Ballard just said he has a long way to go. At best he is a long term project.

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This person asserts that Eason could be the Colts' starting QB in 2021.



Why Jacob Eason Could Be Next in Line to Take Over Colts’ Starting QB Job

(By Jerry Trotta)

https://horseshoeheroes.com/2021/01/...g-quarterback/

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I read that one earlier. I see it as he is saying that he would have the edge over a newly signed player because of familiarity with the playbook. This is based on no other QB under contract at the moment.

That person is stupid.

Mac Jones is 6'3" to Trey Lance's 6'4", not exactly a huge difference, and I thought 6'3" was considered prototypical height for the position, or at least in the range. Also, when watching Mac Jones on tape, what makes you think he's not athletic? The things that make me think he is are watching him extend plays when the pocket collapses, escape sacks and find his way to open field, and outrunning oncoming pass rushers. He wouldn't be able to do those things were he slow. Also, "slow" doesn't necessarily mean unathletic at the QB position. I don't think anyone in the NFL would say Patrick Mahomes is unathletic, but his 40 time was 4.8, and he's considered one of the biggest running threat QBs in the NFL. I'll grant you he doesn't have a big arm, but he has what is IMO the most important arm trait for a QB, which is accuracy. I'll reiterate here that I hope Mac Jones is available at 21 and I hope the Colts pick him if he is.

It would be interesting if he were, and an amazing story if he were to succeed, but I don't think either Ballard or Reich are going to bet their jobs on him basically sight unseen. If he gets forced into action and excels, that's different, but they didn't draft him in such a way that they were putting their jobs on the line in doing so.

Why? Great O line. Good RBs. Young WR and you keep TY.

Opposition crowds the line to stop the run, now you get one on one coverage with the wide receivers. Whoever the next quarterback is he’s going to have to learn a lot. Why not learn with a bunch of young talent. One bad year next year look out.

That’s as if everything else works right. Isn’t it better to go ahead and groom the young new quarterback and take your lumps in one year.?

Because he's not even ready to be the backup at this point, much less the starter, so it's stupid.

If they said he was ready to be the backup, then ok, you have a bit of a point that he can learn on the job, but not as 3rd string. You're just asking for a complete mess and too much pressure and scrutiny for a guy who isn't ready for the job.

No way he plays meaningful minutes next year. I believe his time schedule has not been influenced by our needs at qb. Ballard/Reich are bringing him along on a time schedule that they believe suits Eason best for his personal long term development. It is the right way to go about this in my opinion.

You start to quibble those inches but they do matter. He isn’t Drew Brees short but he might get more balls knocked down than others. Although arm length and extension on throws matter also. He does throw with good anticipation so he can put some air under his throws. Plops them down into the wr basket over the CB.

I think his feet seem heavy, he navigates the pocket well. But he will stay in the pocket. I don’t see him bootlegging much or leaving the pocket to throw like a Allen. Mahomes has slow 40 speed but I think he is a better athlete and has the arm to throw accurately on the run. A quicker twitch. Even Drew Brees has juked a guy here and there. But I don’t see that quick twich reflexes in Jones. He diagnoses and gets rid of the ball very fast when under duress. I think that is his strength.

Incidentally, Ballard has said he likes this QB class.

And Mac Jones is a better option?

You sound like my wife.

You're splitting hairs with the height thing. This prompted me to go look it up again, and everything I could find said 6'3"-6'5" is ideal QB height, fwiw. Also, I don't know what film you're watching, but you make Mac Jones sound like Drew Bledsoe when he's not. I think there may be some situations where you're dinging his athleticism because he made the smart decision rather than the athletic one. One example of that came against Ohio State where he started to take off to run for a first down, but instead stopped and flipped a short pass to Jaylen Waddle for a first down. Could he have run for that first down himself? Possibly, but even were he a DeShaun Watson level of athlete at the QB position, he's not the athlete that Jaylen Waddle is, and Waddle outrunning the LB is a much surer bet.

Where we certainly agree is his ability to throw accurately with anticipation and place balls where only his receiver can catch them. Any tape of Mac Jones you put on will have at least 5 throws where Jones releases the football at the exact moment the DB turns to run with the WR, and most of them will go for a big play. Perhaps my favorite throw of his all year had this in spades and looked like something an NFL veteran would do. Again, it was against Ohio State, Alabama had the ball at about the 40 yard line and Ohio State lined up in an obvious Cover 3 shell. Devonta Smith lined up in the slot and ran a deep cross from the left hash to the right corner of the endzone. At the snap, Jones immediately turns his head left, which draws the single high safety who was shading to the offense's right hash to drift to the left, which left Tuf Borland, a LB, on an island against Devonta Smith. The instant Jones looks to Smith he sees the matchup he wants and throws a rainbow to Smith in stride for an easy 6 untouched, ball travels 35-40 air yards. I'll grant you that Devonta Smith is a special player, but I love that play so much for Mac Jones because it's how you win in the NFL. A QB that can manipulate a defense with his eyes to create a 1 on 1 matchup between a LB and a slot WR in the NFL is elite, and creating matchups like LB covering slot WR is how offenses win on Sundays.

He’s not a dual threat QB dude. He is a pocket passing QB. Can he scramble for a first down? Sure. If he going to scare a team with his legs? No. And I said he was shorter than Reich seems to like. Not that he was too short for the position. Don’t need 20 posts back and forth about it. If you want to see his actual athletiscm we can wait for the combine or his pro day. He looks lead footed to me. Occasional bootleg, but he won’t break a defense down with his legs. He really tries to stay in the pocket. And I don’t see him buying a lot of throw time with his legs by leaving it.

His quick decision making, accuracy, and ability to hit his guys in stride is what I do like. If you protect him I think he can pick apart a D. I think his floor is a solid backup QB. He does run RPOs well which I think Reich will take notice of. I think he might be a safer bet than Justin Fields who has great ability but also takes way to long to throw at times.

I have no idea if Ballard believes Mac Jones is a better option. Perhaps you should get in touch with Ballard to find out and you can argue with him about why you think Eason should be starting. Good luck.

The UPS guy said the same thing about her.

He doesn't have to be Lamar Jackson to be a good NFL QB, and I never said he was a threat to run the ball every down. Your assessment made him sound like Drew Bledsoe, but in this post, I can see we're actually pretty close to agreement on his athleticism for the position, except that you want to call him "lead footed" for some reason. I don't think anyone would say Russell Wilson isn't athletic, but if you look at his Wisconsin tape or his early NFL tape and compare it to Mac Jones vs. Georgia, for example, you'll see similarities in the ways they use their legs. Primarily you'll see both use them to escape pressure, keep their eyes downfield, and use their elite passing traits to push the ball downfield. You'll also see an occasional RPO, as you said, which keeps the defense off balance and forces them to account for the QB, which puts further stress on the defense.

I never said he was Drew Bledsoe, you did, and I never said he had to be Lamar Jackson. Please stop with the disingenuous exaggerations.

If you need a comparison to understand what I am saying, I'll compare his ability to scramble to Derek Carr. (I suspect Carr might be faster with a 4.67) Jones can probably get a first down if there is a lane and the pocket breaks down. He cannot extend a play horizontally with his legs. He cannot run away from pursuit. He will not threaten a defense with his legs and will not demand a spy. I call him lead-footed bc he looks lead-footed. Do you see him running for TD's or first downs? He is a pro-style QB, not a dual-threat QB.

Now you are comparing him to Russel Wilson, one of the best dual-threat QB's in the league. What are you talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecl7ij3Dg0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8r7wLnb1xc

Mac Jones had 35 rushing yards this year and 1 rushing TD. A QB sneak from the 2-yard line. He had -6 rushing yards in high school.

Russel Wilson had 370 yards and 5 TDs his final year.

They don't look similar at all running the ball. Jones can barely get the ball away if the pocket breaks down. He doesn't have the speed to extend the play. Wilson is a threat to score when he starts running.

As for RPO; Jones's run option was handing off to Najee Harris, not running it himself. Which is Reich's style. Wisconsin doesn't run RPO, they are like the least RPO school in college.

Dude, it is Dam. What do you expect?

Dont ask, he will answer. Killing me smalls

You, sir, have made a valid point.

Rivers was a stupid mistake, we should have started Eason and should start Eason in 2021.

Instead of knowing what we have at QB in Eason, we have another first round playoff loss and no clue what to do at QB.

That wouldn't have worked. He didn't even get a full offseason because of COVID, and he very clearly wasn't NFL ready. It would've wasted the rest of the talent on the roster.

Wouldn't have worked for what? Not winning our division, barely making the playoffs, one and done? Ok, maybe.

Brissett was on the roster also. he started 15 games last year and threw 6 picks, compared to Rivers' 11.

If they'd started Eason, it would've likely completely ruined his development, and the Colts would have a Top 5 pick. You can argue that that would've been better, and in the long term it may have, but I'd prefer to keep the front office that the NFL is trying to pick apart together, which likely would not have happened in that scenario, and this team was one bounce of the football (on Allen's late game fumble) from beating a team that will be in the AFC Championship this week. I'd rather watch the team do that than get a Top 5 pick.

Ya know we were 1 decision/break short of beating the Bills. If you think Brissett was better last year than Rivers this year, well there is nothing I can say, I am left speechless.

And just when I thought that I couldn’t read anything stupider than I previously had in this thread.

Yes, sure,, Buffalo was a great game..

We lost to every afc playoff team we faced. Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Tennessee (once), Baltimore all in the regular season, then Buffalo in the playoffs. Im pretty sure we would have lost to the chiefs. We also lost to the jags. If we are talking about close games, we nearly lost to houston, twice.

I'm not saying rivers is better than brissett, or that Eason is our qb answer. I'm saying we traded a year of our qb development (whoever that may have been) for our Philip rivers shot at the superbowl.



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They beat GB and would've beat TEN both games if Buckner wasn't on the COVID list for the second game. Games against playoff teams are hard, so are games against franchise QBs. For the latter portion, ask any AFC South rival about the last 20 years prior to 2019. It was much more enjoyable to watch an 11-5 team that had a puncher's chance in the playoffs than it would've been to watch a 5-11 team where all the talent on this roster went to waste.

I'm just wondering if maybe Eason is closer than we know, and we're just getting a lot of coach-speak because they want him to keep working hard.

We will see if they start him. They say nice things, but their actions show their real intentions.

There is a contingent of Colt fans on twitter that want to start Brisset again. I can't understand why. Brisset was so good they brought in Rivers.

Playing in games does not always equate to development. Game situation, if he was not near ready, could have harmed his development.

Agree with both points here, especially the first. Ballard said he wants to build talent through the draft so we have long term solutions. But then he signs rivers.

We know brissett is not the answer, we know rivers is not the answer. If Ballard hadn't deviated from his stated intentions, we would know if Eason was or wasn't the answer. We would likely also have the same number of playoff wins.

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I understand that could have harmed his development. But how does that make a case for getting Rivers? We could "protect Eason's development" by putting brissett in front of him.

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Because they already tried the brissett experiment. Rivers was a good and convenient option. Knew the system and plenty of experience which were important given the lack of preseason. They knew it was a short term solution, only tied to one year, possibly stretch to second year, no real impact to our cap. That would give eason 1-2 years to learn which he could probably do better under a QB like rivers than brissett. Low risk with potential for a higher reward than brissett could have provided. Seems like a well thought out decision to me.

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Pez is an otherwise solid poster.

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