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Racehorse 07-05-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BCN#1 (Post 163574)
As some have mentioned, I am thinking now the season will go forward but with empty stadiums and pushing those TV revenues to survive. Football in EU (Soccer) seems to work OK doing this... strange for sure but games are happening and TV viewers are there.

I hear there will be a waiver option, if we have games.

Maniac 07-06-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BCN#1 (Post 163574)
As some have mentioned, I am thinking now the season will go forward but with empty stadiums and pushing those TV revenues to survive. Football in EU (Soccer) seems to work OK doing this... strange for sure but games are happening and TV viewers are there.

So what happens when they have a few practices on game week and then 10 people on the team test positive?

Chromeburn 07-06-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 163601)
So what happens when they have a few practices on game week and then 10 people on the team test positive?

Who knows, that’s one of the big questions. Play the game with replacement players? Cancel the game?

Racehorse 07-06-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 163601)
So what happens when they have a few practices on game week and then 10 people on the team test positive?

Rivers was reported to have asked the same question.

Maniac 07-06-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163614)
Who knows, that’s one of the big questions. Play the game with replacement players? Cancel the game?

With the current roster limits they won't be able to field a team. They will have to change the roster limits/rules to allow practice squad players to play or something just to even make it possible. That's not even getting into if one position group gets hit hard, which is possible since they share meeting rooms and such.

rcubed 07-06-2020 04:50 PM

Whatever they end up doing, some team will find a way to bend the fuck out of the rules to gain an advantage...cough(pats)cough


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Chromeburn 07-06-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 163621)
With the current roster limits they won't be able to field a team. They will have to change the roster limits/rules to allow practice squad players to play or something just to even make it possible. That's not even getting into if one position group gets hit hard, which is possible since they share meeting rooms and such.

Field an offensive line made up entirely of guys off the street? Yikes.

Brylok 07-07-2020 03:18 AM

It's jumping off and fixing to absolutely shred us now. Y'all mofos wash your hands several times throughout the day, wear a mask in public, and isolate yourselves as best you can. Mandatory mask wearing in all public buildings goes into effect in my county at 5PM. I've already been doing that, so I'm used to it. I still need to buy a box of gloves tho (and more TP).
I'll be 45 next month. Y'all older, more stubborn mofos need to keep yourselves alive and do whatever you can to help yourself and others. We might disagree here and there, but I don't want any of you to die. Zero chance for a season. Buckle up...here we go. God help all of us.

Ironshaft 07-07-2020 11:04 AM

Honestly, I am licking doorknobs trying to get it.

Yeah, there is a chance that I could get serious medical compilations from it or die, but I can do that at a MUCH higher risk percentage while driving to work every day. Have you seen some folks driving?

Yeah, if I get it, there is a chance that I could pass it to someone else. That is true of EVERY communicable disease on the planet. COVID is no different. We cannot completely change our lives based on a chance...and, honestly, a unbelievably small chance as long as the person you are interacting with is under the age of 75 and does not already have serious health issues.

Herd immunity hits when 93% of the population has the virus. I am just trying to do my part of helping us get there as a nation.

At 51 and with some of the "risk" factors (high blood pressure, high blood sugar), I knew that life would not be risk free.

I rate this about as dangerous of my getting skin cancer due to spending too much time outside without sun block as a teenager building tennis courts for my summer job. It might happen and it might not but I don't think the risk is higher for me dying from COVID, honestly.

And, my personal pet theory, if it were not an election year, this would have passed with about as much concern as when 85,000 Americans died during the 2018-2019 winter from the flu. No news articles. No national freak out. Just.....life. This fear mongering is primarily an effort to effect a Presidential election. If it were in a non-election year...

My personal freedoms don't end where another person's fears begin.

Oldcolt 07-07-2020 12:02 PM

I'm 67 years old. Been a doc (obstetrician) for over 40 years. Lived thru AIDs doing deliveries (very bloody) before a cure. Took it in stride. This is different. I have never seen my fellow health care workers scared. Every single doc I know who works with COVID either doesn't go home after work (hotels mostly) or strips in the garage and immediately takes a shower when they get home. Every one. They are not just scared, they are terrified, mostly for their family. It is a bad disease that we are just learning about. It apparently can have long term consequences we are just beginning to learn about. The whole world except the US and Brazil are taking it seriously. We will see if the entire scientific establishment is correct, or if the trumpists got it right. over time. If the NFL follows guidelines and does contact tracing and 14 day isolation for contacts the season seems impossible. Has anyone seen what the plan is when someone tests positive? I am glad they are trying. Don't think they will be able to pull it off. Hope I'm wrong.

Ironshaft 07-07-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 163662)
... We will see if the entire scientific establishment is correct, or if the trumpists got it right. over time.

And this seems to be the crux of the problem.

See, I have 4 doctors in my family; father-in-law, brother, brother-in-law and cousin-in-law. All are still practicing except my 70 year old father-in-law. Different specialties all over the mid-west.

Their experience with their peers working COVID differ from yours. My father-in-law has even gone so far as to use the word "hoax" on its mortality rate.

So, using a phrase like "the entire scientific establishment" seems interesting because my family says they see as many studies that refute much of what is being recommended by the CDC as supports it.

Why it is called the "practice" of medicine, I guess! :)

Maniac 07-07-2020 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 163658)
Honestly, I am licking doorknobs trying to get it.

Yeah, there is a chance that I could get serious medical compilations from it or die, but I can do that at a MUCH higher risk percentage while driving to work every day. Have you seen some folks driving?

Yeah, if I get it, there is a chance that I could pass it to someone else. That is true of EVERY communicable disease on the planet. COVID is no different. We cannot completely change our lives based on a chance...and, honestly, a unbelievably small chance as long as the person you are interacting with is under the age of 75 and does not already have serious health issues.

Herd immunity hits when 93% of the population has the virus. I am just trying to do my part of helping us get there as a nation.

At 51 and with some of the "risk" factors (high blood pressure, high blood sugar), I knew that life would not be risk free.

I rate this about as dangerous of my getting skin cancer due to spending too much time outside without sun block as a teenager building tennis courts for my summer job. It might happen and it might not but I don't think the risk is higher for me dying from COVID, honestly.

And, my personal pet theory, if it were not an election year, this would have passed with about as much concern as when 85,000 Americans died during the 2018-2019 winter from the flu. No news articles. No national freak out. Just.....life. This fear mongering is primarily an effort to effect a Presidential election. If it were in a non-election year...

My personal freedoms don't end where another person's fears begin.

Herd immunity is a fallacy if the antibodies only last a short time, just like no one gets herd immunity from the flu or colds.

Good luck offing yourself though. Hopefully you do it without killing anyone else along the way.

apballin 07-07-2020 08:29 PM

Not in the healthcare field or nothing like a medical professional but when this shit first come around they were acting like if you get it you die which isn’t the case at all, the games must go on, thousands still go to work everyday what’s the difference no fans just pickup games in a gym we can’t lock ourselves in the house forever make people sign waivers to attend games if they choose if you don’t feel safe don’t go period but life has to go on this isn’t the zombie apocalypse it’s being made out to be

Maniac 07-07-2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163696)
Not in the healthcare field or nothing like a medical professional but when this shit first come around they were acting like if you get it you die which isn’t the case at all, the games must go on, thousands still go to work everyday what’s the difference no fans just pickup games in a gym we can’t lock ourselves in the house forever make people sign waivers to attend games if they choose if you don’t feel safe don’t go period but life has to go on this isn’t the zombie apocalypse it’s being made out to be

People go to work everyday, but if they get coronavirus, they have to stay home and quarantine. You can have fans sign waivers all you want, but if a bunch of players, coaches, refs, etc are getting the virus, then you're not going to have games. There is too much liability risk for the NFL just to not give a damn and play no matter what.

Chromeburn 07-08-2020 01:05 PM

The other thing that no one is talking about is this thing could have long term repercussion on the human body. Just bc you survive doesn’t mean it won’t hurt you. Athletes are starting to complain they can’t get back to the peak they were at before getting sick. The virus attacks the lungs and could cause long term damage and hurt your ability to process oxygen.

rcubed 07-08-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163724)
The other thing that no one is talking about is this thing could have long term repercussion on the human body. Just bc you survive doesn’t mean it won’t hurt you. Athletes are starting to complain they can’t get back to the peak they were at before getting sick. The virus attacks the lungs and could cause long term damage and hurt your ability to process oxygen.

true, but hey, it's 'merica! fuck masks! fuck all those other countries where masks and distancing worked to bring down the infection rate! Pres says its a farce and he never lies!
hee-yaw!!!

Maniac 07-08-2020 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 163733)
true, but hey, it's 'merica! fuck masks! fuck all those other countries where masks and distancing worked to bring down the infection rate! Pres says its a farce and he never lies!
hee-yaw!!!

Really odd that Trump, Pence, and the entire white house staff get tested and screened daily when they think it's a farce.

apballin 07-08-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 163698)
People go to work everyday, but if they get coronavirus, they have to stay home and quarantine. You can have fans sign waivers all you want, but if a bunch of players, coaches, refs, etc are getting the virus, then you're not going to have games. There is too much liability risk for the NFL just to not give a damn and play no matter what.

The games will go on just like life, a lot of people have already had it but until there’s a vaccine this is how it’s gonna be. If they wanna be pussies about it keep your ass at home there’s plenty willing to replace you hell for all we know coronavirus was here during the end of last season

apballin 07-08-2020 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163724)
The other thing that no one is talking about is this thing could have long term repercussion on the human body. Just bc you survive doesn’t mean it won’t hurt you. Athletes are starting to complain they can’t get back to the peak they were at before getting sick. The virus attacks the lungs and could cause long term damage and hurt your ability to process oxygen.

Once again sounds like someone being a pussy to me, lock yourself in the house until they develop a vaccine then I guess

Chromeburn 07-08-2020 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 163733)
true, but hey, it's 'merica! fuck masks! fuck all those other countries where masks and distancing worked to bring down the infection rate! Pres says its a farce and he never lies!
hee-yaw!!!

That shit pisses me off to no end. I don’t know how that got politicized but it’s ridiculous. Idiots. I’ll die for this country, I’ll fight whoever for this country, etc. but I refuse to be mildly inconvenienced for a few minutes in order to help protect my fellow citizens. Just maddening. I don’t know why people are listening to a president on medical matters.

Chromeburn 07-09-2020 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163747)
Once again sounds like someone being a pussy to me, lock yourself in the house until they develop a vaccine then I guess

Please tell me you’re joking.

JAFF 07-09-2020 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163724)
The other thing that no one is talking about is this thing could have long term repercussion on the human body. Just bc you survive doesn’t mean it won’t hurt you. Athletes are starting to complain they can’t get back to the peak they were at before getting sick. The virus attacks the lungs and could cause long term damage and hurt your ability to process oxygen.

Depending on the severity of the virus on some people, its like you smoked 2 packs of cigarettes for 40 years in a week.

There are people who will survive this thing and never be the same

Why worry about that?

JAFF 07-09-2020 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 163658)
Honestly, I am licking doorknobs trying to get it.

Yeah, there is a chance that I could get serious medical compilations from it or die, but I can do that at a MUCH higher risk percentage while driving to work every day. Have you seen some folks driving?

Yeah, if I get it, there is a chance that I could pass it to someone else. That is true of EVERY communicable disease on the planet. COVID is no different. We cannot completely change our lives based on a chance...and, honestly, a unbelievably small chance as long as the person you are interacting with is under the age of 75 and does not already have serious health issues.

Herd immunity hits when 93% of the population has the virus. I am just trying to do my part of helping us get there as a nation.

At 51 and with some of the "risk" factors (high blood pressure, high blood sugar), I knew that life would not be risk free.

I rate this about as dangerous of my getting skin cancer due to spending too much time outside without sun block as a teenager building tennis courts for my summer job. It might happen and it might not but I don't think the risk is higher for me dying from COVID, honestly.

And, my personal pet theory, if it were not an election year, this would have passed with about as much concern as when 85,000 Americans died during the 2018-2019 winter from the flu. No news articles. No national freak out. Just.....life. This fear mongering is primarily an effort to effect a Presidential election. If it were in a non-election year...

My personal freedoms don't end where another person's fears begin.

Fauci posted recently that this nation wont get to herd immunity without a vaccine, if they can create one.

OK so you don’t care if you get it. That’s fine except it I care if I get it. I got things and grandkids, and I Kinda would like to get to retirement and enjoy watching them grow up . And people like you who won’t wear a mask carrying this virus around make it possible for me to catch it. So if you don’t care about yourself, but it’s out of common decency you care for others around you, even if you don’t know them.

Colts And Orioles 07-09-2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163747)


Once again sounds like someone being a pussy to me, lock yourself in the house until they develop a vaccine then I guess




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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163760)


Please tell me that you're joking.



o


Make America toothless and retarded again.

There's no place in our great society for wimps like yourself.

You think you're so smart, just because you know how to read and write.

o

apballin 07-09-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 163790)
o


Make America toothless and retarded again.

There's no place in our great society for wimps like yourself.

You think you're so smart, just because you know how to read and write.

o

Everyone has there views on this for whatever reason I say play ball,

There will be a season I’ll bet on that

rcubed 07-09-2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163797)
Everyone has there views on this for whatever reason I say play ball,

There will be a season I’ll bet on that

*their

JAFF 07-09-2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 163803)
*their

spelling grammer nazi

apballin 07-09-2020 08:26 PM

So the real question should be, would you sign a waiver and wear a mask to attend a Colts game?

Brylok 07-10-2020 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163812)
So the real question should be, would you sign a waiver and wear a mask to attend a Colts game?

Um, no, you absolute troglodyte. The real question is: what multi-million dollar value NFL player is willing to risk his life to play a game in the face of a growing virus pandemic in which the USA is head and shoulders the world leader? Particularly lineman, where they breathe on each other all game long. And it's getting worse at a geometric rate now. Not many I'd hope. But, you go ahead! Feel free! Don't wear a mask or gloves or social distance yourself! You are a special! Go inside to bars and restaurants, movie theaters, bowling alleys. Live it up! You do you! Feel free to call other people pussies and whatnot. Perhaps you'll wind up taking care of yourself. Best of luck to you.

apballin 07-10-2020 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 163817)
Um, no, you absolute troglodyte. The real question is: what multi-million dollar value NFL player is willing to risk his life to play a game in the face of a growing virus pandemic in which the USA is head and shoulders the world leader? Particularly lineman, where they breathe on each other all game long. And it's getting worse at a geometric rate now. Not many I'd hope. But, you go ahead! Feel free! Don't wear a mask or gloves or social distance yourself! You are a special! Go inside to bars and restaurants, movie theaters, bowling alleys. Live it up! You do you! Feel free to call other people pussies and whatnot. Perhaps you'll wind up taking care of yourself. Best of luck to you.

I wear a mask your I never said I did any of the things you listed but no I’m not going to put my life on hold at some point we gotta move on I still have bundles of toilet paper from the start of all this bs

JAFF 07-10-2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163812)
So the real question should be, would you sign a waiver and wear a mask to attend a Colts game?

No. I live about 80 miles outside of Indy, its a full day just to go to a game and get home. How long will the lines be for food or bathroom with social distancing?

I will stay at home. No drink limit there

apballin 07-10-2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 163823)
No. I live about 80 miles outside of Indy, its a full day just to go to a game and get home. How long will the lines be for food or bathroom with social distancing?

I will stay at home. No drink limit there

Well from what I was told about the indy 500 the ticket holders have been informed- mask all day and a window of a time to use the restroom to name a couple things

rcubed 07-10-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 163808)
spelling grammer nazi

there should be something separating spelling and grammer.

rcubed 07-10-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163819)
I wear a mask your I never said I did any of the things you listed but no I’m not going to put my life on hold at some point we gotta move on I still have bundles of toilet paper from the start of all this bs

life should not be placed completely on hold, but there are simple things like wearing masks, distancing, avoiding crowds that helps deter the spread. other countries have seemed to do this without much issue and their numbers have decreased. parts of the US chose to rebel and that is reflected in our infection rates. some of that comes from our stupid leadership who openly defy what our medical experts recommend.

Colts And Orioles 07-10-2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163812)



So the real question should be, would you sign a waiver and wear a mask to attend a Colts game?



o


Throw in a free stay at the Bates Motel, and I'll be there.


o

Chromeburn 07-10-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 163817)
Um, no, you absolute troglodyte. The real question is: what multi-million dollar value NFL player is willing to risk his life to play a game in the face of a growing virus pandemic in which the USA is head and shoulders the world leader? Particularly lineman, where they breathe on each other all game long. And it's getting worse at a geometric rate now. Not many I'd hope. But, you go ahead! Feel free! Don't wear a mask or gloves or social distance yourself! You are a special! Go inside to bars and restaurants, movie theaters, bowling alleys. Live it up! You do you! Feel free to call other people pussies and whatnot. Perhaps you'll wind up taking care of yourself. Best of luck to you.

I really don’t see how they can do it. They are acting like they just isolate a sick person for two weeks and then they come back. But there is too much physical interaction between players. NBA is creating a quarantine bubble, no one in or out during the season. Baseball players aren’t that close to each other on the field. But hockey, football, I don’t see how you prevent a breakout if it gets on the field.

apballin 07-10-2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163840)
I really don’t see how they can do it. They are acting like they just isolate a sick person for two weeks and then they come back. But there is too much physical interaction between players. NBA is creating a quarantine bubble, no one in or out during the season. Baseball players aren’t that close to each other on the field. But hockey, football, I don’t see how you prevent a breakout if it gets on the field.

How do we know half of the nfl hasn’t had it already?

rcubed 07-10-2020 04:15 PM

what happens if a team loses a large number of players for a period of time? NBA is doing the bubble for near complete isolation during the short time they will finish the season. I dont think you could isolate 32 NFL teams like that for an entire NFL season. so what happens when a team gets hit and 10-15 players are unavailable for a couple weeks? how do they replace those players?

Brylok 07-10-2020 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 163840)
I really don’t see how they can do it. They are acting like they just isolate a sick person for two weeks and then they come back. But there is too much physical interaction between players. NBA is creating a quarantine bubble, no one in or out during the season. Baseball players aren’t that close to each other on the field. But hockey, football, I don’t see how you prevent a breakout if it gets on the field.

Me neither. It's been stated that we'll be at 100,000 new infections per day (and rising) in a few weeks. I understand people trying to be optimistic, we all want to watch the Colts, but there's a line between that and just being obtuse. I doubt the vast majority of players are willing to risk their health/life over a game. It sucks but it's better than being dead or permanently damaged.

Chromeburn 07-10-2020 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 163856)
How do we know half of the nfl hasn’t had it already?

I don’t know if they have or not. But I suppose you would know through testing, and you can get it twice. You are not guaranteed immunity forever after getting it once.


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