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ChoppedWood 11-23-2017 08:00 AM

Fire all coaches, everywhere, all levels. Pee wee baseball- gut em', college soccer- shut em' down, NFL - fucking let those dudes wearing the pads run the show!

Dude, it's Thanksgiving, and you are the turkey! Go away.

Racehorse 11-23-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 42164)
Mcvay must be really cheating hard with the rams thus year.
Someone should investigate harbaugh who quickly turns around every program he goes to.

Yeah, Dam. Explain the Rams change to us.

njcoltfan 11-23-2017 09:44 AM

Someone explain this then: D'Juan Smith and T.J.Green are 2 players that Pagano personally worked out and drafted, one is not on the team any more and the other one is no better today then he was the day they drafted him, what does that say about our defensive guru of a coach ???

YDFL Commish 11-23-2017 10:55 AM

Just because the logic applies to most of the teams in the NFL, doesn't mean that it applies to all teams.

There will always be outliers and special cases. At each end of this is the Patriots and the Colts. And believe me, Pagano is a special case.

apballin 11-23-2017 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 42174)
Yeah, Dam. Explain the Rams change to us.

New coach new unpredictable play calling and philosophy

Chip Kelly had a successful 1st season, wheres he at now?

No matter how great the coach they can't do shit without special players

look at Mccarthy in Green Bay right now, look at Arians, the 3 constant successes of the NFL Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks have had Coach and QB hand in hand for years now

Dam8610 11-23-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 42163)
LOL, really? What about those other teams I listed? You didn't even mention any of them. Not even Patriots hate will save you from this idiotic reply. Are you just trolling at this point? Keep dying on Pagano Hill. C'mon man!

Those listed teams haven't had the player talent or when they did, the breaks didn't go their way. Players and variance explain it all.

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 42164)
Mcvay must be really cheating hard with the rams thus year.
Someone should investigate harbaugh who quickly turns around every program he goes to.

If you'd read the article, you'd know regression to the mean is a thing. Also, Goff is a second year QB who clearly has made the second year jump, they put a lot of talent around him on the offense, and they already had a talented defense. Player talent and variance. Harbaugh's situation is similar, already talented team that finally got something out of the QB position and regressed to the mean based on player talent and variance.

That's not to say I don't think either of them are talented head coaches. They are, but if either one of them had the Browns roster this year, they wouldn't be much better than 0-10, maybe 1-9 or 2-8. Why? Because that roster is bad by NFL standards. The talent on the roster is much more determinant of the team's overall success than anything any coach can do except constantly and consistently cheat.

Dam8610 11-23-2017 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 42174)
Yeah, Dam. Explain the Rams change to us.

We've never seen the growth of a second year QB and an infusion of offensive talent lead to a seismic record shift before (*cough*1999Colts*cough*).

YDFL Commish 11-23-2017 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 42214)
Those listed teams haven't had the player talent or when they did, the breaks didn't go their way. Players and variance explain it all.



If you'd read the article, you'd know regression to the mean is a thing. Also, Goff is a second year QB who clearly has made the second year jump, they put a lot of talent around him on the offense, and they already had a talented defense. Player talent and variance. Harbaugh's situation is similar, already talented team that finally got something out of the QB position and regressed to the mean based on player talent and variance.

That's not to say I don't think either of them are talented head coaches. They are, but if either one of them had the Browns roster this year, they wouldn't be much better than 0-10, maybe 1-9 or 2-8. Why? Because that roster is bad by NFL standards. The talent on the roster is much more determinant of the team's overall success than anything any coach can do except constantly and consistently cheat.

Explain the Vikings then? Bradford, Bridgeport and Keenum have all had success. Many times, this was the case when there was very little talent around them.

The Vikings running game and O-Line were terrible last season. The previous two seasons, they had very little at talent at WR.

But somehow, Zimmer keeps winning. I guess that's not coaching though. It must just be luck.

ChoppedWood 11-23-2017 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 42222)
Explain the Vikings then? Bradford, Bridgeport and Keenum have all had success. Many times, this was the case when there was very little talent around them.

The Vikings running game and O-Line were terrible last season. The previous two seasons, they had very little at talent at WR.

But somehow, Zimmer keeps winning. I guess that's not coaching though. It must just be luck.

Have you seen their practices- they flip a coin and if it's head's they get the rest of the week off. If it's tails they play the card game "in-between" all week. Their talent level is good, but their variance is unparalleled- no one has that same kind of variance. Have you seen their variance facilities- top shelf stuff, they spared no expense.

Chuck Pagano sucks. Yes he has a lot of crappy players we all get that, each week we sit here and rail on tons of them for being crap, his coaching, makes them more crappy instead of less crappy. It is really not that hard, it's not.

Colts And Orioles 11-23-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 42140)


I don't care what the statistical analysis says, I don't believe that at all.

Coaching has more impact on football than any other major sport.


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