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Luck4Reich 11-28-2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 213630)
Ballard really needs to force Reich to give up play calling and let the OC do his job.

We have an OC? lol.

Seriously I agree.

njcoltfan 11-28-2021 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 213629)
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The only good thing about this loss is that it was against an NFC team.

And with this loss, the game against the Patriots in 3 weeks is now a must-win.

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There’s no way in hell this team beats the Patriots !!

Dewey 5 11-28-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 213636)
There’s no way in hell this team beats the Patriots !!

Not a chance. They are so much more fundamentally sound & way better coached. That game will be ugly.

CletusPyle 11-28-2021 05:30 PM

Until the Colts start getting some of those benefit of a doubt calls from these God awful ref squads, it's going to be very hard to beat these league favorites!

Colts And Orioles 11-28-2021 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 213629)
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The only good thing about this loss is that it was against an NFC team.

And with this loss, the game against the Patriots in 3 weeks is now a must-win.

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 213633)



The problem is you have Reich vs Bellicheck ...... that's a huge uphill climb for our players to overcome.




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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 213636)



There’s no way in hell this team beats the Patriots !!!



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In another thread, I stated that our toughest game left on the schedule will be the one against the Patriots ...... and that that game would be even harder to win than the game that we have against the Cardinals.

I didn't say that we would beat the Patriots, just that it is now a must-win game with our overall record having dropped to 6-6 after today's loss. If we had won today and improved to 7-5, that game against the Patriots would not necessarily have been crucial (like it is now.)

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Spike 11-28-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 213634)
Get use to it because Frank isn't going anywhere. We're stuck with him for a few years.

Yes, but if I am Irsay, I'm coming down telling Reich, you're still the head coach but you need to hand off the play calling duties because you fucking suck at it. You can tell the players love Reich, and he is good at everything else. But if Reich balks, let him walk, he's killing this damn good team.

daedge 11-28-2021 05:36 PM

On another note, how atrocious was the tackling today? Highlighted by the last Fournette TD. Play that stands out much earlier was after the Paye sack, 3rd and 8 and that dumb prick Gronk converts after some awful tackle attempts.

daedge 11-28-2021 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 213649)
Yes, but if I am Irsay, I'm coming down telling Reich, you're still the head coach but you need to hand off the play calling duties because you fucking suck at it. You can tell the players love Reich, and he is good at everything else. But if Reich balks, let him walk, he's killing this damn good team.

Yep, Reich gets tunnel vision. You're asking for trouble passing 40+ times. Their edge rushers were just blasting off the LOS and that strip sack was inevitable, IMO. I was saying (out loud) to run the bloody ball right before it.

Chromeburn 11-28-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WaynesWorld87 (Post 213614)
Yep. And we still only lost by a TD. Cut the TO's down from 4 to 2, and we win this game by 2+ scores. What a damn shame. Can't ever get out of our own way against Brady.

This was so damn reminiscent of so many losses under Pagano. We shot ourselves in the foot so many times. The Bucs didn't beat us, we beat us.

Wait till the pats come. So much changes yet stays the same.

Spike 11-28-2021 06:05 PM

Hey, look at the bright side. We can hang a fucking banner that says Best Team not in the playoffs. Fuck this, I'm going to get drunk.

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2021 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 213649)
Yes, but if I am Irsay, I'm coming down telling Reich, you're still the head coach but you need to hand off the play calling duties because you fucking suck at it. You can tell the players love Reich, and he is good at everything else. But if Reich balks, let him walk, he's killing this damn good team.

Reich is feast or famine. When he looks good, he looks amazing. When he looks bad, he looks horrible.

I don’t think you can take the play calling away from him without firing him. We just need to not commit 5 freaking turnovers.

He’s better than the Pep Hamilton’s we’ve suffered through.

daedge 11-28-2021 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 213675)
Reich is feast or famine. When he looks good, he looks amazing. When he looks bad, he looks horrible.

I don’t think you can take the play calling away from him without firing him. We just need to not commit 5 freaking turnovers.

He’s better than the Pep Hamilton’s we’ve suffered through.

I just hate his pig headed tunnel vision.

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 213677)
I just hate his pig headed tunnel vision.

I think the offense is hamstrung this season with all the time Wentz missed in preseason and it being his first year.

I expect this offense to be quite a bit better next season.

Spike 11-28-2021 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 213675)
Reich is feast or famine. When he looks good, he looks amazing. When he looks bad, he looks horrible.

I don’t think you can take the play calling away from him without firing him. We just need to not commit 5 freaking turnovers.

He’s better than the Pep Hamilton’s we’ve suffered through.

Yes, you can take his play calling away, if he doesn't like it, he can go fuck himself and find another job. This team is too fucking good to let a lame brain coach destroy it.

Colts And Orioles 11-28-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 213678)



I think that the offense is hamstrung this season largely due to all of the time that Wentz missed in pre-season, and also with this being his first year with a new team.

I expect this offense to be quite a bit better next season.



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This hypothesis of the 2021 and 2022 Colts is mildly similar to the plight of the Patriots in 2020 and 2021.

Last year, the Patriots looked rather pedestrian in finishing with a 7-9 overall record in a COVID-affected season without Tom Brady. But in 2022, with a full year of having been able to adjust to life without him, they look like a juggernaut that is a bona-fide contender for the AFC championship and a Super Bowl appearance.

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Dewey 5 11-28-2021 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsdoc (Post 213675)
reich is feast or famine. When he looks good, he looks amazing. When he looks bad, he looks horrible.

i don’t think you can take the play calling away from him without firing him. We just need to not commit 5 freaking turnovers.

He’s better than the pep hamilton’s we’ve suffered through.

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Hoopsdoc 11-28-2021 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 213679)
Yes, you can take his play calling away, if he doesn't like it, he can go fuck himself and find another job. This team is too fucking good to let a lame brain coach destroy it.

You’re being pretty ridiculous. Colts have the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. They’ve scored over 30 for like 8 weeks in a row.

You don’t fire or demote a coach who’s doing that. You just don’t.

Think rationally about this.

Frank needs to not get enamored with throwing the ball and run the offense through Taylor. Oh, and the Colts need to stop turning the damn ball over.

THAT’S why they lost today.

rm1369 11-28-2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 213688)

Frank needs to not get enamored with throwing the ball and run the offense through Taylor. Oh, and the Colts need to stop turning the damn ball over.

THAT’S why they lost today.

Frank is always going to take what the defense gives. So plenty of people are going to be pissed when Taylor doesn’t see 30 touches every game. The offense moved the ball very well and scored points against a really good D. Play calling wasn’t the issue. Execution and lapses were in several instances.

jasperhobbs 11-28-2021 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 213704)
Frank is always going to take what the defense gives. So plenty of people are going to be pissed when Taylor doesn’t see 30 touches every game. The offense moved the ball very well and scored points against a really good D. Play calling wasn’t the issue. Execution and lapses were in several instances.

Not too many running backs last long doing 30 carries every game. I wish they would rotate more with marlon mack this season and draft another back as mack won't be back next year.

nate505 11-28-2021 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs (Post 213715)
Not too many running backs last long doing 30 carries every game. I wish they would rotate more with marlon mack this season and draft another back as mack won't be back next year.

Hard to rotate with a guy who is a healthy scratch game after game...for some inexplicable reason.

daedge 11-28-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 213716)
Hard to rotate with a guy who is a healthy scratch game after game...for some inexplicable reason.

He doesn't play special teams, that's why Jackson is the third active RB, as the Colts have stated.

Puck 11-28-2021 08:20 PM

JT had a total of 25 yards in the 1st half on 8 carries. Yea. maybe you could say give him more touches. But he wasn't doing anything at all.

But of that 25 yards. One was a 12 yard carry So other than that he had carries of

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Zero TD's and Carson Wentz was HOT. Scored 24 points in the 1st half passing the ball He was finding the seams and making plays. While the Bucs had the answer for the run they did not have an answer for the passing game.

Mistakes turned the game around. Pascal fumble, the strip sack and the muffed punt were killers. Bucs scored 24 points off of TO's on short fields I believe. Other than that the Colts D held them pretty well.

Had we gotten the lead and ran JT play after play and went 3 and out over and over many of you would be saying Reich is too conservative and doesn't know how put his foot on their throats. I remember this from the other game threads.People were calling him too conservative.


Should they have used JT more. Probably, But if you were going off the way the game was playing out in the 1st half you had to see being aggressive with a passing game that was working against a very good TB team was the way to go.

Even though the JT had a great series in the 4th Qtr was no reason to go away from what was working.

5 turnovers lost this game. Not the play calling

IndyNorm 11-28-2021 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 213718)
JT had a total of 25 yards in the 1st half on 8 carries. Yea. maybe you could say give him more touches. But he wasn't doing anything at all.

But of that 25 yards. One was a 12 yard carry So other than that he had carries of

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Zero TD's and Carson Wentz was HOT. Scored 24 points in the 1st half passing the ball He was finding the seams and making plays. While the Bucs had the answer for the run they did not have an answer for the passing game.

Mistakes turned the game around. Pascal fumble, the strip sack and the muffed punt were killers. Bucs scored 24 points off of TO's on short fields I believe. Other than that the Colts D held them pretty well.

Had we gotten the lead and ran JT play after play and went 3 and out over and over many of you would be saying Reich is too conservative and doesn't know how put his foot on their throats. I remember this from the other game threads.People were calling him too conservative.


Should they have used JT more. Probably, But if you were going off the way the game was playing out in the 1st half you had to see being aggressive with a passing game that was working against a very good TB team was the way to go.

Even though the JT had a great series in the 4th Qtr was no reason to go away from what was working.

5 turnovers lost this game. Not the play calling

The problem is that we've now lost 3 games where we had a double digit lead, and in all 3 of those games our best player was underutilized. Reich needs to figure out how to get JT more touches on days like today, b/c Wentz isn't capable of carrying the load by himself for an entire game against good teams.

Puck 11-28-2021 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 213730)
The problem is that we've now lost 3 games where we had a double digit lead, and in all 3 of those games our best player was underutilized. Reich needs to figure out how to get JT more touches on days like today, b/c Wentz isn't capable of carrying the load by himself for an entire game against good teams.


For the season I agree JT is our best player on offense. Today our best player on offense was Carson Wentz. Wentz got it going. JT did not The Bucs were going to throw everything at stopping JT. and they did.

Their secondary was hobbled.

From NFL.com

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Next Gen stat of the game:Jonathan Taylor earned -4 rushing yards over expected in the first three quarters (+28 in fourth quarter). Five rushes for 4 yards versus seven-plus defenders in the box in the first three quarters (seven rushes, 53 yards, TD in fourth quarter).

apballin 11-28-2021 09:53 PM

Should’ve went into the 4th quarter trying to ice away a lead, I love my chances with JT in that situation unfortunately they were still in it because of turnovers, goddam I thought Rodgers was gone on that kick return

Puck 11-28-2021 10:11 PM

So the thing that really worked for the Bucs was putting 5 and 6 on the line and loading the box and if it was a run they could generate even more pass rush with those extra bodies.

They have a great D

IndyNorm 11-28-2021 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 213731)
For the season I agree JT is our best player on offense. Today our best player on offense was Carson Wentz. Wentz got it going. JT did not The Bucs were going to throw everything at stopping JT. and they did.

Their secondary was hobbled.

From NFL.com

While Wentz was really good in the first half he was bad in the 2nd: 11/20 for 109, 2 ints, and 2 fumbles (1 lost). Like I said, he's not capable of carrying the team by himself against a good opponent. By far his best series in the 2nd half was when we (surprise) started running the ball again.

Agree that the running game wasn't going early on, but it did start to get some momentum going in the 2nd quarter before Reich decided to pull the plug on it for the game.

Either way, throwing the ball 26 straight times isn't a good idea for the Colts. Especially after they've turned it over a couple of times during that streak.

Racehorse 11-28-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 213677)
I just hate his pig headed tunnel vision.

Not so sure it is him. Wentz may be changing the plays due to what the defense is showing.

Racehorse 11-28-2021 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 213688)
You’re being pretty ridiculous. Colts have the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. They’ve scored over 30 for like 8 weeks in a row.

You don’t fire or demote a coach who’s doing that. You just don’t.

Think rationally about this.

Frank needs to not get enamored with throwing the ball and run the offense through Taylor. Oh, and the Colts need to stop turning the damn ball over.

THAT’S why they lost today.

Without the turnovers, we may have scored 50+.

nate505 11-28-2021 10:43 PM

I don't even have a huge issue with having more pass plays than run plays, but at one point in the 3rd it was nothing but pass plays. Nothing. Like 20 or something plays in a row. A blind man could see what the Colts were going to do, and it put the Bucs in position to play pass defense and get turnovers with it.

Granted, I'm not a football expert, but usually a mix of run/pass works best just to keep the defense a bit on their toes.

nate505 11-28-2021 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 213717)
He doesn't play special teams, that's why Jackson is the third active RB, as the Colts have stated.

Frankly I'd rather have a third active RB who could possibly be productive and use another guy for STs, but that's just me.

Plus, maybe I'm just imagining things, but I could have sworn I've seen Taylor/Hines/Mack all active on the same game together. Were Special Teams just not a priority then?

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2021 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 213753)
Frankly I'd rather have a third active RB who could possibly be productive and use another guy for STs, but that's just me.

Plus, maybe I'm just imagining things, but I could have sworn I've seen Taylor/Hines/Mack all active on the same game together. Were Special Teams just not a priority then?

I don’t know this for sure, but could it be that Jackson is needed on special teams because Odum and Sendejo are both starting right now?

That would make sense.

I agree though that having Mack active would sure be nice.

Hoopsdoc 11-28-2021 11:10 PM

Also, for the record, I fully expected a loss today. Arians is a good coach, the Bucs have a talented team, and, most importantly, you’re not gonna get any calls AT ALL against golden boy Brady.

That unnecessary roughness penalty on Sendejo was total bullshit. It was a quarterback sneak, for fucks sake. He was still moving forward and Sendejo hit him in the back, not the head.

In order to beat the Bucs and the refs today, we needed to dominate. We didn’t do that.

Racehorse 11-29-2021 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 213745)
While Wentz was really good in the first half he was bad in the 2nd: 11/20 for 109, 2 ints, and 2 fumbles (1 lost). Like I said, he's not capable of carrying the team by himself against a good opponent. By far his best series in the 2nd half was when we (surprise) started running the ball again.

Agree that the running game wasn't going early on, but it did start to get some momentum going in the 2nd quarter before Reich decided to pull the plug on it for the game.

Either way, throwing the ball 26 straight times isn't a good idea for the Colts. Especially after they've turned it over a couple of times during that streak.

NOt making excuses for him, but your take is not exactly fair. One INT was on a desperation play, and the other looked like the defender grabbed Pittman's jersey to get into position. One of the fumbles was on Fisher getting beat by the defender. I don't recall the other fumble. Wentz wasn't perfect, but he wasn't the reason we lost today.

ChaosTheory 11-29-2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 213778)
NOt making excuses for him, but your take is not exactly fair. One INT was on a desperation play, and the other looked like the defender grabbed Pittman's jersey to get into position. One of the fumbles was on Fisher getting beat by the defender. I don't recall the other fumble. Wentz wasn't perfect, but he wasn't the reason we lost today.

The other fumble was when he scrambled for some yardage, dove forward and took a hit. He lost the ball but regained it himself. I hold my breath every time he runs because you know he won't slide.

kitekrazy 11-29-2021 12:38 PM

The only Colt game I got to watch this season was the 2nd half and I go away pissed off. I hate that.

IndyNorm 11-29-2021 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 213778)
NOt making excuses for him, but your take is not exactly fair. One INT was on a desperation play, and the other looked like the defender grabbed Pittman's jersey to get into position. One of the fumbles was on Fisher getting beat by the defender. I don't recall the other fumble. Wentz wasn't perfect, but he wasn't the reason we lost today.

That probably did come off too harsh. Was just trying to make that point that not having a more balanced attack and throwing every single play will eventually catch up with us like it did yesterday.

Colts And Orioles 12-05-2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 213291)
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I heard them mention Lenny Moore just now ...... is he in the stadium for Robert Mathis' induction into the Colts' Ring of Honor ???

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 213293)



Don’t know why, but he’s there.



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I just found out why ...... the Colts were honoring him as a franchise legend, in addition to doing so for Robert Mathis.




The team also honored Hall-of-Famer Lenny Moore during the first half. The running back played for the Baltimore Colts from 1956-67, winning 2 championships (1958 & ’59.) His jersey number 24 is one of eight retired by the franchise.

https://www.wane.com/sports/indianap...t-colts-38-31/




All of it was planned ahead of time ...... the Colts were wearing throwback uniforms from the late 1950's, honoring those teams.


Colts to Honor Late 1950's Teams with Throwback Uniform vs. Bucs

(By Charean Williams)

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...iform-vs-bucs/

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