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Colts And Orioles 02-26-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 154732)


We were SB contenders before the season, and we lost our QB ........ a questionable, not-yet-proven 2nd-string QB stepped in and the team went 7-9, regardless of the fact Brissett is fucking awful ........ I agree that it's not about argument.

Brissett is awful, and I'm looking forward to the upgrade at QB.



o

The Colts also had an injured kicker that bailed them out of one game (against the Broncos), but may have cost them several others.

If Vinatieri were healthy, the Andrew Luckless Colts might have gone 8-8 or 9-7.

o

Chaka 02-26-2020 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 154706)
So the money has to be spent, but might as well dress it up like this is part of a carefully calculated plan.

You cannot be serious. What evidence do you have of any of this? Do you think Ballard is an idiot and has to be forced to spend the cap space? Of course he knows the money has to be spent, and he’s said as much multiple times over the last few years if you’d actually bother to listen and think about what he’s said and the plan he’s laid out for you.

Luck4Reich is absolutely correct that this plan is largely going as expected, with the exception of the Luck retirement that was out of the blue and would absolutely cripple almost any organization. Ballard has said several times that we needn’t worry about the cap space because it would be used up as the players he drafted began to develop. Guess what? That’s happening and sure enough that extra cap space now will prove very useful. However, because it will involve simply keeping our own players rather than bringing in new players, I’m sure it won’t seem to you like he’s done anything special since you won’t have to experience the frustration of being unable to pay for a Leonard, Nelson, Kelly, Castonzo, Mack or Moore (and yes, I know he's already signed) when they become eligible for free agency.

Furthermore, just as these younger players are maturing, we will have the needed cap space to supplement this with a some premium free agents. The plan was for Luck to be around for all of this too, which might have made us unstoppable, but now we have that additional curveball that we’ll have to adjust to – again, however, the cap space will help there as well.

Chromeburn 02-26-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 154712)
His plan was working and is. Luck was a 5-6 game winning difference over Brissett. We are a QB and a few other pieces from contending for a SB.

Also nothing wrong with altering your plan when things dont pan out... something Ballard does that Grigson never would do.

Ehh comparing Ballard to Grigson is easy, Grigson makes every GM look better. Should compare Ballard to the best in the league, that’s the platform Irsay has put him on.

Filling the QB hole is a pretty big piece. You can’t really hide it in today’s NFL. They will have to upgrade it somehow.

Chromeburn 02-26-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 154711)
If I had to guess:

Colts players who entered NFL in 2017 who will be 4th year vets in 2020:

Malik Hooker, defensive secondary
Marlon Mack, offensive backfield
Grover Stewart, defensive line
Anthony Walker, defensive linebackers
Kenny Moore, defensive secondary (UDFA)
Rigoberto Sanchez, special teams (UDFA)

Colts players who entered NFL in 2018 who will be 3rd year vets in 2020:

Quenton Nelson, offensive line
Darius Leonard, defensive linebackers
Braden Smith, offensive line
Kemoko Turay, defensive line
Nyheim Hines, offensive backfield
Jordan Wilkins, offensive backfield
Tyquan Lewis, defensive line
Zach Pascal, wide receiver (UDFA)

Longer term NFL veteran who are Main-Stays on team:

Anthony Castonzo, offensive line
Ryan Kelly, offensive line
T.Y. Hilton, wide receiver
Jack Doyle, tight end
Justin Houston, defensive line
Pierre Desir, defensive secondary
Denico Autry, defensive line
Mark Glowinski, offensive line
Jacoby Brissett, quarterback

23 names on those three lists encompassing most of our starters.

Almost half the locker room will be 3rd year vets or older.

That would be the change that I think happened from last season to this season.

-- AND --

Irsay told him to spend money ! ? ! :)

You have 5th year extensions for first rounders and also the franchise tag. So you can potentially extend contracts beyond those four years. Spacing out the larger second contracts.

Pez 02-26-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 154689)
1) someone he wants is available

Or more likely

2) Irsay told him he better spend some fucking money and improve the team

Get Teddy Bridgewater and Shelby Harris in free agency. Trade one of our seconds to get high enough in the first to get Kinlaw.

Let Bridgewater compete with Brisket for the starting job.

Our base DL looking like this would be pretty stunning:

DE - Houston
DT - Kinlaw
DT - Harris
DE - Sheard

Chromeburn 02-26-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154743)
Get Teddy Bridgewater and Shelby Harris in free agency. Trade one of our seconds to get high enough in the first to get Kinlaw.

Let Bridgewater compete with Brisket for the starting job.

Our base DL looking like this would be pretty stunning:

DE - Houston
DT - Kinlaw
DT - Harris
DE - Sheard

So re-sign Sheard?

Pez 02-26-2020 05:10 PM

Ah, good point, I forget Sheard was UFA... I think we resign him, but Autry may be in that slot.

We can likely get Sheard for < $7M a year (wrong side of 30 now), he's a veteran presence and get 5 sacks a year. If Harris and Kinlaw are disruptive in the middle he will have more opportunities.

Luck4Reich 02-26-2020 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154743)
Get Teddy Bridgewater and Shelby Harris in free agency. Trade one of our seconds to get high enough in the first to get Kinlaw.

Let Bridgewater compete with Brisket for the starting job.

Our base DL looking like this would be pretty stunning:

DE - Houston
DT - Kinlaw
DT - Harris
DE - Sheard

I would not be mad at that.

JAFF 02-26-2020 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154757)
So re-sign Sheard?

YES. All that guy does is play hard and play through the bumps and brusies

Racehorse 02-26-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 154733)
o

The Colts also had an injured kicker that bailed them out of one game (against the Broncos), but may have cost them several others.

If Vinatieri were healthy, the Andrew Luckless Colts might have gone 8-8 or 9-7.

o

That just tells me just how close we would have been with Luck under center last year.

Racehorse 02-26-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154743)
Get Teddy Bridgewater and Shelby Harris in free agency. Trade one of our seconds to get high enough in the first to get Kinlaw.

Let Bridgewater compete with Brisket for the starting job.

Our base DL looking like this would be pretty stunning:

DE - Houston
DT - Kinlaw
DT - Harris
DE - Sheard

Turay isn't any slouch, either.

JAFF 02-26-2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 154777)
That just tells me just how close we would have been with Luck under center last year.

Yeah, except...... Luck probably wouldn't be ready for the season. And then he would have been banged and bruised and working from behind on his health.

How close we would have been with a HEALTHY Andrew Luck. He wasn't. He wasn't through rehab.

Let it go.

Chromeburn 02-26-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154758)
Ah, good point, I forget Sheard was UFA... I think we resign him, but Autry may be in that slot.

We can likely get Sheard for < $7M a year (wrong side of 30 now), he's a veteran presence and get 5 sacks a year. If Harris and Kinlaw are disruptive in the middle he will have more opportunities.

I wouldn't mind him back since he is pretty key to the run defense. Unless they find a guy who can rush and play the run. But when he is not in there the DE's we have were not able top stand up to the run all game long. That would create a chain reaction letting OL into our LB's. Leonard is then not as effective. So yeah, unless they find an upgrade I'm for re-signing him.

Colts And Orioles 02-26-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 154733)
o

The Colts also had an injured kicker that bailed them out of one game (against the Broncos), but may have cost them several others.

If Vinatieri were healthy, the Andrew Luckless Colts might have gone 8-8 or 9-7.

o


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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 154777)


That just tells me just how close we would have been with Luck under center last year.



o

Hey, they beat the Chiefs on their home-field in Kansas City with Jacoby Brissett at QB ........ granted that that was only one game, but I suspect that they were not nearly as bad as they sometimes looked later in the season, particularly against the Saints.

So as disappointing as it was to see the 2019 Colts go from a playoff contender with a 5-2 overall record to a mediocre 7-9 also-ran, I suspect that Chris Ballard's assertion that he was building a team that was not overly-dependent on one player (such as Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck) was not just lip service ........ for a fairly recent reference, the 2011 Peyton Manningless Colts were considerably worse than were the 2019 Andrew Luckless Colts.


o

Racehorse 02-26-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 154780)
Yeah, except...... Luck probably wouldn't be ready for the season. And then he would have been banged and bruised and working from behind on his health.

How close we would have been with a HEALTHY Andrew Luck. He wasn't. He wasn't through rehab.

Let it go.

Moron, the post was not about Luck so much as it was to say that our roster is close to where we all want it to be. Add in a QB that is not Brissett, and we make a deep run last season. That is the point.

Let it go (fuck) yourself

Puck 02-26-2020 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154743)
Get Teddy Bridgewater and Shelby Harris in free agency. Trade one of our seconds to get high enough in the first to get Kinlaw.

Let Bridgewater compete with Brisket for the starting job.

Our base DL looking like this would be pretty stunning:

DE - Houston
DT - Kinlaw
DT - Harris
DE - Sheard

Put me on the HELL NO to Bridgewater train.

apballin 02-26-2020 10:14 PM

Rappaport says Colts are Rivers most likely landing spot, get ready freaks i think it’s gonna happen

JAFF 02-26-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 154796)
Moron, the post was not about Luck so much as it was to say that our roster is close to where we all want it to be. Add in a QB that is not Brissett, and we make a deep run last season. That is the point.

Let it go (fuck) yourself

Sorry my psychic abilities could not decipher what you meant, only what you typed.

So now it your turn, concentrate and see if you can guess what I’m thinking now.

Puck 02-26-2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 154798)
Rappaport says Colts are Rivers most likely landing spot, get ready freaks i think it’s gonna happen

I may be in a huge minority here but I’m good with this. Spend the picks on building the rest of the team. Rivers may get us deep into the playoffs which would be fun. Or he may fail miserably and give us another high draft pick next yr

Will he be Kerry Collins or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or a Peyton to Denver guy?

Build the defense

rcubed 02-27-2020 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 154800)
I may be in a huge minority here but I’m good with this. Spend the picks on building the rest of the team. Rivers may get us deep into the playoffs which would be fun. Or he may fail miserably and give us another high draft pick next yr



Will he be Kerry Collins or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or a Peyton to Denver guy?



Build the defense



I get what you are saying but i just dont think he has much left (and i am not a rivers hater like most here).


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Puck 02-27-2020 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 154801)
I get what you are saying but i just dont think he has much left (and i am not a rivers hater like most here).


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I freakin hate Rivers. But that was with the chargers . I'll hate him less if hes with the Colts. Still wont buy his jersey kinda hate

smitty46953 02-27-2020 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 154805)
I freakin hate Rivers. But that was with the chargers . I'll hate him less if hes with the Colts. Still wont buy his jersey kinda hate

Hey Mrs. Puck, Puck needs a Rivers 17 jersey for Christmas :cool:

Racehorse 02-27-2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 154799)
Sorry my psychic abilities could not decipher what you meant, only what you typed.

So now it your turn, concentrate and see if you can guess what I’m thinking now.

I keep forgetting that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. My bad.

Racehorse 02-27-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 154801)
I get what you are saying but i just dont think he has much left (and i am not a rivers hater like most here).


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I agree. He's done. Maybe two years ago, we would have gotten a good version of the guy. Not now.

Spike 02-27-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 154798)
Rappaport says Colts are Rivers most likely landing spot, get ready freaks i think it’s gonna happen

Fuck Rivers, that would be dumb as hell. He isn't worth a shit anymore. Desperation move if it happens.

Pez 02-27-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 154798)
Rappaport says Colts are Rivers most likely landing spot, get ready freaks i think it’s gonna happen

Rappaport said this:

"It seems right now the most logical spot would be the Indianapolis Colts, who havent ruled out anything, may be in the quarterback market. They grabbed Jacoby Brissett [whom] they have to make some decisions on, and they may still draft a quarterback. Right not that seems like the most logical spot for Rivers."

I just don't see us doing it.

rcubed 02-27-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 154836)
Rappaport said this:



"It seems right now the most logical spot would be the Indianapolis Colts, who havent ruled out anything, may be in the quarterback market. They grabbed Jacoby Brissett [whom] they have to make some decisions on, and they may still draft a quarterback. Right not that seems like the most logical spot for Rivers."



I just don't see us doing it.



I think its just that we dont have a solid QB and the link to reich/sirianni. I dont see us signing rivers either.


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Luck4Reich 02-27-2020 04:35 PM

Sure are enough places reporting Rivers likely going to the Colts from CBS sports to Sports Illustrated.

I never liked the guy and hate the Chargers but if we did and won a SB that would be ok.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 02-27-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 153518)
Looks like Chris Jones might hit free agency. Or a reference to something else?


Per Rapoport - KC will franchise tag Chris Jones. Obviously KC can still tag and trade. But right now, KC is saying that they want him back.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1233065472989564929

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The #Chiefs are going to franchise tag star DL Chris Jones, sources say. Not a surprise, but Kansas City views him in their long-term plans and hopes to get a deal done at some point. The window opens officially today.

Brylok 02-27-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 154869)
Sure are enough places reporting Rivers likely going to the Colts from CBS sports to Sports Illustrated.

I never liked the guy and hate the Chargers but if we did and won a SB that would be ok.

I'm starting to believe it might happen. The Colts would then take Love at 13 and have Rivers to mentor him for a year or 2 as opposed to just drafting him and throwing him out there. Reich and Rivers would probably be really good for the kid, and it sounds like a good way to approach things...but I've always hated Rivers and, man... I'd have to get over that in a hurry. Don't know if I have it in me. JMV is starting to believe it, too for whatever that's worth.

Brylok 02-27-2020 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 154873)
Per Rapoport - KC will franchise tag Chris Jones. Obviously KC can still tag and trade. But right now, KC is saying that they want him back.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1233065472989564929

KC is smart. No way they should let him go.

1965southpaw 02-27-2020 06:28 PM

Anyone else listen to JMV this afternoon???? He claims he got a phone call from a "colts insider" who regularly sources him credible info. This source is saying 0% chance that Colts go after Rivers. He also says that they are targeting a high profile free agent to throw big money on. Who knows what's true.....take it for what it's worth.

Discflinger 02-27-2020 06:41 PM

$100 says Clowney

Discflinger 02-27-2020 06:45 PM

Keeps us from resigning Sheard as well.

Chromeburn 02-27-2020 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 154892)
Anyone else listen to JMV this afternoon???? He claims he got a phone call from a "colts insider" who regularly sources him credible info. This source is saying 0% chance that Colts go after Rivers. He also says that they are targeting a high profile free agent to throw big money on. Who knows what's true.....take it for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 154893)
$100 says Clowney

Rivers doesn't seem their style. Although I heard he is a good guy off the field and in the locker room, big Christian. Just a smack talker on the field.

There were some Clowney rumors a month ago.

Looks like Chris Jones will get the franchise tag, although the Chefs will have to cut people to do that and sign their picks, and sign Mahomes.

I wonder if they really are talking a big FA, or they consider a middle tier big to them. Who else is out there? Cooper? Barrett? Ngakoue?... Tom Brady? :D

Discflinger 02-27-2020 07:10 PM

Rather it be Ngakoue.

Colt Classic 02-27-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 154875)
I'm starting to believe it might happen. The Colts would then take Love at 13 and have Rivers to mentor him for a year or 2 as opposed to just drafting him and throwing him out there. Reich and Rivers would probably be really good for the kid, and it sounds like a good way to approach things...but I've always hated Rivers and, man... I'd have to get over that in a hurry. Don't know if I have it in me. JMV is starting to believe it, too for whatever that's worth.

Whatever they do, I'd hate for them to double dip like that. Spend good money on a vet AND their first pick?! There are way too many other positions where a difference maker is needed instead of doubling up on QB's.

Luck4Reich 02-27-2020 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 154910)
Whatever they do, I'd hate for them to double dip like that. Spend good money on a vet AND their first pick?! There are way too many other positions where a difference maker is needed instead of doubling up on QB's.

Chiefs were paying Alex Smith 17 mil a year 45 million guarentee... then took Mahomes... worked out for them.

Mahomes didn't start right away.

If a Vet only signed for 2 years and we drafted a QB to grow behind them what's so bad about it?

The vet is off the books after 2 years..... keep in mind that Ballard has left 45+ million in cap every year hes been here so why not?

apballin 02-27-2020 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 154892)
Anyone else listen to JMV this afternoon???? He claims he got a phone call from a "colts insider" who regularly sources him credible info. This source is saying 0% chance that Colts go after Rivers. He also says that they are targeting a high profile free agent to throw big money on. Who knows what's true.....take it for what it's worth.

Zero percent is pretty strong, and other than Clowney what high profile free agent is there?

JAFF 02-27-2020 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 154814)
I keep forgetting that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. My bad.

Nope not even close to what I was thinking. Check your own comprehension


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