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JAFF 07-18-2023 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 269025)
JAFF we’re a day closer to Jesus coming back
Get ready


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Been ready

omahacolt 07-22-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 269025)
JAFF we’re a day closer to Jesus coming back
Get ready


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if that were the case, it isn't, a lot of people are going to be surprised that he doesn't approve of their behavior.

a lot of so called "good christians" are garbage people.


thankfully for those people, religion is bullshit

Racehorse 07-22-2023 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 269237)
if that were the case, it isn't, a lot of people are going to be surprised that he doesn't approve of their behavior.

a lot of so called "good christians" are garbage people.


thankfully for those people, religion is bullshit

I agree with the first line. There are many people who profess christianity, but forget the major tenets of the religion.

JAFF 07-22-2023 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 269238)
I agree with the first line. There are many people who profess christianity, but forget the major tenets of the religion.

Forgiveness is usually the last thing on the list of the far religious (you pick the group)

Racehorse 07-22-2023 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 269257)
Forgiveness is usually the last thing on the list of the far religious (you pick the group)

Far religious? What does that mean? In my opinion, the further you go with christianity, the more forgiving you are called to be.

JAFF 07-22-2023 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 269258)
Far religious? What does that mean? In my opinion, the further you go with christianity, the more forgiving you are called to be.

Its been my experience, the big talkers about their faith come up short when it comes to putting it to use. The Christians I have respect for dont talk about faith, they are too busy doing their faith.

Racehorse 07-23-2023 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 269259)
Its been my experience, the big talkers about their faith come up short when it comes to putting it to use. The Christians I have respect for dont talk about faith, they are too busy doing their faith.

I can accept that, to an extent.

JAFF 07-25-2023 05:34 PM

Morgan Stanley raises economic growth forecast, citing Biden infrastructure ‘boom’
 
Morgan Stanley raises economic growth forecast, citing Biden infrastructure ‘boom’

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...en-policy-boom

Racehorse 07-25-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 269463)
Morgan Stanley raises economic growth forecast, citing Biden infrastructure ‘boom’

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...en-policy-boom

.6% to 1.3%. That doubled, but it was atrocious before, and 1.3% is still sucky, given that prices of goods people need for every day living are rising at a much quicker pace.

JAFF 07-26-2023 05:40 PM

"Incandescently stupid": Former DHS official says he had to "dumb" down classified me
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...fc1eb0db&ei=25

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iles Taylor, who served as chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security under Donald Trump, shared how he often had to oversimply national security reports for the former president.

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"This fifty-page memo that we would normally give to any other president about what his options are is something Trump literally can't read. The man doesn't read. We've gotta boil this down into a one-pager in his voice," Taylor told podcast host Brett Meiselas on Tuesday. "And so I had to write this incandescently stupid memo called something like, 'Afghanistan, How to Put America First and Win.' And then bullet by bullet, I summed up this highly classified memo into Trump's sort of bombastic language because it was the only way he was gonna understand," Taylor added. "I mean, I literally said in there, 'You know, if we leave Afghanistan too fast, the terrorists will call us losers. But if we wanna be seen as winners, we need to make sure the Afghan forces have the strength to push back against these criminals.' I mean, it was that dumb and that's how you had to talk to him."




JAFF 07-27-2023 04:36 PM

Webb telescope spots water in a nearby planetary system
 
Webb telescope spots water in a nearby planetary system

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/27/world...scn/index.html

Its a big deal.

Racehorse 07-27-2023 04:53 PM

Link does not work.

JAFF 07-27-2023 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 269650)
Link does not work.

Try it now,

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/27/world...scn/index.html

JAFF 07-28-2023 10:29 AM

Trump indictment “reads just like organized crime activity”
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...391f1a4a&ei=13

Former President Donald Trump and two of his aides were hit with new charges in the Mar-a-Lago documents case on Thursday.

A grand jury in South Florida returned a superseding indictment adding four charges to the prior indictment against Trump and aide Walt Nauta. Another aide, Carlos De Oliveira, the Mar-a-Lago head of maintenance, was also added to the obstruction conspiracy charged in the original indictment.

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The indictment alleges that De Oliveira told another employee that "the boss" wanted the server with Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage deleted and asked how long the footage was stored.

"What are we going to do?" he allegedly said.

The alleged exchange came after Trump's team received a subpoena for the security footage, according to the indictment.

The new indictment charges Trump with two new obstruction counts and with allegedly possessing the classified document he was heard discussing in an audio recording of a meeting at his Bedminster, N.J. golf club. Trump in the audio bragged that he had a classified Iran war plan that he could not show others because he hadn't declassified it. He has since denied that he was in possession of the document.

But the new indictment alleges that he did have it and that it was marked "TOP SECRET" and involved a "Presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country."

Trump and Nauta pleaded not guilty to the earlier charges against them.

National security attorney Mark Zaid said the indictment "reads like organized crime activity," citing the "compelling" text messages and video footage cited in the document.

Former Manhattan prosecutor Karen Friedman Agnifilo told CNN that the indictment "reads like a spy novel."

"That's what you would do. You would try to… wipe out the video footage," she said. "I mean, it's just astonishing that this is what Trump wanted to do! He wanted to destroy evidence of a crime! I mean, that's really what this is."

CNN legal analyst Elliot Williams said that the timeline laid out by the indictment is "devastating."

"They start communicating about what the boss' wishes are and immediately took steps to delete this footage," he said Friday. "All of that is pretty lock, stock and barrel evidence of obstruction of justice."


Fellow CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig argued that the charge related to the Iran document was the "single most important" part of the indictment.

"Those papers he was shuffling, yes, they were classified documents, they're related to war plans, and DOJ has that document. That is now a new charge in this indictment," he said.

Lov2fish 07-28-2023 09:44 PM

Now that has value worth reading. Being somewhat of a space nerd I waited anxiously until the first pics came back from Webb. Post more of this and less politics.

Lov2fish 07-28-2023 09:47 PM

You can replace Trump's name with any politician in the last 100 years and nobody would know the difference. You gotta quit letting that dude kick bb's around the inside of your cranium. Its not healthy.

JAFF 07-29-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 269745)
You can replace Trump's name with any politician in the last 100 years and nobody would know the difference. You gotta quit letting that dude kick bb's around the inside of your cranium. Its not healthy.

Ok, so name another American President has been charged with 37 felonies?

Name another President has been caught on tape planning to hide the evidence of his crimes? Easy, Nixon. For conspiracy.

Facts are a problem for you.

JAFF 07-29-2023 12:19 PM

Democrat Weighs In on 'Alien Bodies,' Says NSA Can't Keep 'Basic Secrets'
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...13ec094b3&ei=7

My favorite part

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"Still waiting for any whistleblower to disclose the address of where the aliens are," Lieu said in his tweet. "Also, why are aliens always showing up in America?"

Why are they showing up in America? They must have seen “Hamilton”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1izVfVpBwE

Lov2fish 07-29-2023 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 269757)
Ok, so name another American President has been charged with 37 felonies?

Name another President has been caught on tape planning to hide the evidence of his crimes? Easy, Nixon. For conspiracy.

Facts are a problem for you.

You have not paid attention to history. As much as I don't like Trump, he was exposing some of the pay to play shit that goes on everyday in Washington so he was marked. He just wasn't sharp enough to hide his own pay for play schemes.

omahacolt 07-29-2023 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 269745)
You can replace Trump's name with any politician in the last 100 years and nobody would know the difference. You gotta quit letting that dude kick bb's around the inside of your cranium. Its not healthy.

deflect and play the whatabout game


never actually acknowledge a republicans shortcomings or misdeads. or in this case treason and felonies.

Colts And Orioles 07-29-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 269769)



You have not paid attention to history. As much as I don't like Trump, he was exposing some of the pay to play shit that goes on everyday in Washington so he was marked. He just wasn't sharp enough to hide his own pay for play schemes.




o


In terms of serious felonies committed by the person sitting in the Oval Office, Donald Trump is similar to Richard Nixon, which puts the 2 of them in very rare company regarding the criminality of a US President.

That said, Trump and Nixon are/were essentially no better and no worse than any other President before them or since ...... all of the decisions that each and every United States President has made throughout history are the product of a much larger structure which promotes capitalism, demonizes socialism, and is completely in bed with THE TRUE OWNERS of this country ...... the multi-billionaires, the big businesses, the oil companies, etc.

As the late, great George Carlin pointed out, the politicians are there just to give you the illusion that you have some control over what happens when you pull a lever at the voting booth every 4 years ...... you don't have ANY control over any of the important decisions regarding what goes down in our society, as it matters not one bit whether a liberal Democrat is sitting in the Oval Office or a conservative Republican. You may as well be pulling your own dick as pulling that voting lever every 4 years, because the meaning of the 2 acts are essentially the same.

o

JAFF 07-29-2023 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 269744)
Now that has value worth reading. Being somewhat of a space nerd I waited anxiously until the first pics came back from Webb. Post more of this and less politics.

I will post what ever I think is relevant and you are not required to read them. I will quote Vonnegut, “you can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut”, if you dont like it.

Lov2fish 07-30-2023 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 269798)
I will post what ever I think is relevant and you are not required to read them. I will quote Vonnegut, “you can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut”, if you dont like it.

Well that escalated quickly. You sure you want to go there? I don't think you're equipped for this.

JAFF 08-01-2023 05:54 PM

Trump has been charged with four federal counts, including 'conspiracy to defraud' th
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ouse-rcna96825

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A conspiracy to defraud the United States "by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election," according to the special counsel's office.

A conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified.

A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted.

Obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote.

Only Trump is named, the others have a chance to tell the truth and not spend their golden years in a Federal Correction facility.

6 people not named, giving them time to flip and tell the truth

JAFF 08-01-2023 07:07 PM

Estate of Henrietta Lacks reaches settlement with biotech company for nonconsensual u
 
Estate of Henrietta Lacks reaches settlement with biotech company for nonconsensual use of her cells in medical research

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/us/he...ent/index.html

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The family of Henrietta Lacks, a Black woman whose cells have been used for scientific research for decades, reached a settlement Tuesday with the biotech company Thermo Fisher Scientific, the family’s attorneys said.

Lacks’ family filed a federal lawsuit in 2021 against the company, arguing it is knowingly profiting from Lacks’ tissue sample and cell line.

In 1951, Lacks was diagnosed with cervical cancer and had tissue taken from her cervix without her consent during a procedure at The Johns Hopkins Hospital. Lacks died later that year from the cancer at the age of 31.

Artist Bryan Cobbs, left, and sculptor Larry Bechtel stand in front of a preliminary sketch for the Henrietta Lacks statue in Roanoke, Virginia.
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The sample was later used to create a human cell line that can reproduce itself outside of the body, which is now known as HeLa cells.

The cells have been used to develop the polio vaccine, in vitro fertilization, gene mapping, advancements in cancer treatment, AIDS research, cloning and stem cell studies, CNN previously reported.

The family and the company reached a “confidential settlement” outside the court, the Lacks’ attorneys told CNN.

At a news conference Tuesday, family members and their attorneys said the settlement will help them in their efforts to keep Lacks’ legacy alive.

“On her 103rd birthday, we got justice,” said Alfred Lacks-Carter, Jr., Lacks’ grandson.

Attorney Ben Crump, second from left, walks with Ron Lacks, left, Alfred Lacks Carter, third from left, both grandsons of Henrietta Lacks, and other descendants of Lacks, whose cells have been used in medical research without her permission, outside the federal courthouse in Baltimore, Monday, Oct. 4, 2021. They announced during a news conference that Lacks' estate is filing a lawsuit against Thermo Fisher Scientific for using Lacks' cells, known as HeLa cells.
Estate of Henrietta Lacks sues biotechnical company for nonconsensual use of her cells
Ben Crump, one of the attorneys representing the family, said he hopes the settlement will help to further educate others about Lacks’ legacy.

“This Black woman gave so much to the world, it’s good to give her a present back on her birthday,” Crump said.

Thermo Fisher told CNN in a statement it was “pleased” a settlement was achieved outside of court and declined to provide further comment on the case.

CNN has reached out to The Johns Hopkins Hospital for comment on the settlement. The Baltimore hospital was not named in the lawsuit but has previously said Lacks’ tissue sample would not have been taken without her consent for use in scientific research today.

Its a big deal, your body is your property and parts cannot be used without your consent and have profit made without compensation. While what was done with her cells has had an enormous impact on the health care around the world, it was done without consent of the family.

This is just another example of big business treating minorities poorly because they can.

JAFF 08-01-2023 09:46 PM

Mike Pence took notes
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...26442466&ei=18

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Then-Vice President Mike Pence took “contemporaneous notes” of his meetings with Donald Trump leading up to Jan. 6, according to a new federal grand jury indictment lodged against the former president on Tuesday which reveals Trump's continual efforts to pressure Pence into rejecting electoral votes.

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Citing the notes as evidence underpinning its case, the 45-page indictment reveals Pence took the notes after conversations with his boss in the weeks leading up to the Capitol riots, as Trump attempted to enlist him for help.

“As the January 6 congressional certification proceeding approached and other efforts to impair, obstruct and defeat the federal junction failed, the Defendant sought to enlist the Vice President to use his ceremonial role at the certification to fraudulently alter the election results,” the indictment says.

It alleges Trump and one of his co-conspirators “knowingly made false claims of election fraud” in a meeting on Jan. 4, 2021.

In that meeting, Trump asked Pence to reject or challenge legitimate electors for Democrat Joe Biden from seven states, rather than count them. The indictment claims Trump deliberately excluded his White House counsel from the meeting because lawyers had already pushed back on the idea.

“Bottom line ― won every state by 100,000s of votes,” Trump said at the time, according to Pence.

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In another, according to the notes, Trump also falsely told Pence on Dec. 29, 2020, that the Department of Justice was “finding major infractions.”

Then, on Jan. 1, the President told Pence he was “too honest” in a phone call berating the Vice President for opposing a lawsuit that would reject Biden’s presidency. Pence had told Trump that there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper; among just a number of pushbacks by Pence at the time.

In a statement Tuesday night, Pence said “today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be the President of the United States.”

Pence added he will “have more to say” after reviewing the indictment, echoing special counsel Jack Smith’s earlier comments Tuesday night that Trump is “entitled to the presumption of innocence.”


CBS News’ Robert Costa described Pence on the air as a “central, crucial key witness in this investigation,” adding “he could end up being the most important witness in this case.”

“He can speak to possible criminal intent. By Pence detailing what Trump said... Pence is someone who was weaponized at the end of the presidency for Trump, and to have him cooperating with the investigation gives the special counsel an eyewitness account who is not a lawyer or some Trump functionary.”



JAFF 08-02-2023 07:46 PM

Opinion: Trump has dug himself into the deepest possible hole
 
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/02/opini...rdt/index.html

IF you bother to read this, is lays out the present situation and how deep the hole is for donnie

omahacolt 08-03-2023 05:08 PM

everyone knows trump is guilty


we watched it all on live tv. some people just don't care.

JAFF 08-05-2023 01:41 PM

Oregon leaps into the 21st century
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/or...6e3e4530&ei=10

Leaving only New Jersey in the past.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-05-2023 05:45 PM

When I saw Oregon in the title - I thought the article was going to be about Oregon joining the Big Ten Conference.

JAFF 08-06-2023 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 270324)
When I saw Oregon in the title - I thought the article was going to be about Oregon joining the Big Ten Conference.

Lol. I was a pump jockey during my college summers. Made good money, worked many graveyard shifts, which payed more.

Racehorse 08-06-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 270345)
Lol. I was a pump jockey during my college summers. Made good money, worked many graveyard shifts, which payed more.

I don't see how you working the night giving hand jobs is relevant to this discussion, but carry on.

JAFF 08-09-2023 06:39 AM

Previously Secret Memo Laid Out Strategy for Trump to Overturn Biden’s Win
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/u...tors-memo.html

Internal memo explains the plot to overthrow the government

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The House Jan. 6 committee’s investigation did not uncover the memo, whose existence first came to light in last week’s indictment.

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A scheme to use false electors to keep Donald J. Trump in power was perhaps the most sprawling of the various efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

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A lawyer allied with President Donald J. Trump first laid out a plot to use false slates of electors to subvert the 2020 election in a previously unknown internal campaign memo that prosecutors are portraying as a crucial link in how the Trump team’s efforts evolved into a criminal conspiracy.

The existence of the Dec. 6, 2020, memo came to light in last week’s indictment of Mr. Trump, though its details remained unclear. But a copy obtained by The New York Times shows for the first time that the lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, acknowledged from the start that he was proposing “a bold, controversial strategy” that the Supreme Court “likely” would reject in the end.

But even if the plan did not ultimately pass legal muster at the highest level, Mr. Chesebro argued that it would achieve two goals. It would focus attention on claims of voter fraud and “buy the Trump campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive Biden of electoral votes and/or add to Trump’s column.”

The memo had been a missing piece in the public record of how Mr. Trump’s allies developed their strategy to overturn Mr. Biden’s victory. In mid-December, the false Trump electors could go through the motions of voting as if they had the authority to do so. Then, on Jan. 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence could unilaterally count those slates of votes, rather than the official and certified ones for Joseph R. Biden Jr.
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While that basic plan itself was already known, the document, described by prosecutors as the “fraudulent elector memo,” provides new details about how it originated and was discussed behind the scenes. Among those details is Mr. Chesebro’s proposed “messaging” strategy to explain why pro-Trump electors were meeting in states where Mr. Biden was declared the winner. The campaign would present that step as “a routine measure that is necessary to ensure” that the correct electoral slate could be counted by Congress if courts or legislatures later concluded that Mr. Trump had actually won the states.
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It was not the first time Mr. Chesebro had raised the notion of creating alternate electors. In November, he had suggested doing so in Wisconsin, although for a different reason: to safeguard Mr. Trump’s rights in case he later won a court battle and was declared that state’s certified winner by Jan. 6, as had happened with Hawaii in 1960.

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Four charges for the former president. Former President Donald Trump was charged with four counts in connection with his widespread efforts to overturn the 2020 election. The indictment was filed by the special counsel Jack Smith in Federal District Court in Washington. Here are some key takeaways:
The indictment portrayed an attack on American democracy. Smith framed his case against Trump as one that cuts to a key function of democracy: the peaceful transfer of power. By underscoring this theme, Smith cast his effort as an effort not just to hold Trump accountable but also to defend the very core of democracy.
Trump was placed at the center of the conspiracy charges. Smith put Trump at the heart of three conspiracies that culminated on Jan. 6, 2021, in an attempt to obstruct Congress’s role in ratifying the Electoral College outcome. The special counsel argued that Trump knew that his claims about a stolen election were false, a point that, if proved, could be important to convincing a jury to convict him.
Trump didn’t do it alone. The indictment lists six co-conspirators without naming or indicting them. Based on the descriptions provided, they match the profiles of Trump lawyers and advisers who were willing to argue increasingly outlandish conspiracy and legal theories to keep him in power. It’s unclear whether these co-conspirators will be indicted.
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But the indictment portrayed the Dec. 6 memo as a “sharp departure” from that proposal, becoming what prosecutors say was a criminal plot to engineer “a fake controversy that would derail the proper certification of Biden as president-elect.”

“I recognize that what I suggest is a bold, controversial strategy, and that there are many reasons why it might not end up being executed on Jan. 6,” Mr. Chesebro wrote. “But as long as it is one possible option, to preserve it as a possibility it is important that the Trump-Pence electors cast their electoral votes on Dec. 14.”
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Three days later, Mr. Chesebro drew up specific instructions to create fraudulent electors in multiple states — in another memo whose existence, along with the one in November, was first reported by The Times last year. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot also cited them in its December report, but it apparently did not learn of the Dec. 6 memo.

“I believe that what can be achieved on Jan. 6 is not simply to keep Biden below 270 electoral votes,” Mr. Chesebro wrote in the newly disclosed memo. “It seems feasible that the vote count can be conducted so that at no point will Trump be behind in the electoral vote count unless and until Biden can obtain a favorable decision from the Supreme Court upholding the Electoral Count Act as constitutional, or otherwise recognizing the power of Congress (and not the president of the Senate) to count the votes.”
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Mr. Chesebro and his lawyer did not respond to requests for comment. A Trump spokesman did not respond to an email seeking comment.

The false electors scheme was perhaps the most sprawling of Mr. Trump’s various efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. It involved lawyers working on his campaign’s behalf across seven states, dozens of electors willing to claim that Mr. Trump — not Mr. Biden — had won their states, and open resistance from some of those potential electors that the plan could be illegal or even “appear treasonous.” In the end, it became the cornerstone of the indictment against Mr. Trump.
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While another lawyer — John Eastman, described as Co-Conspirator 2 in the indictment — became a key figure who championed the plan and worked more directly with Mr. Trump on it, Mr. Chesebro was an architect of it. He was first enlisted by the Trump campaign in Wisconsin to help with a legal challenge to the results there.

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Prosecutors are still hearing evidence related to the investigation, even after charges were leveled against Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter. The House committee last year released emails its investigators obtained showing that Mr. Chesebro had sent copies of the two previously reported memos, one from Nov. 18 and another from Dec. 9, to allies in the states working on the fake electors plan.

But he did not attach his Dec. 6 memo to those messages, which laid out a more audacious idea: having Mr. Pence take “the position that it is his constitutional power and duty, alone, as president of the Senate, to both open and count the votes.” That is, he could resolve the dispute over which slate was valid by counting the alternate electors for Mr. Trump even if Mr. Biden remained the certified winner of their states.

Mr. Chesebro, who is described as Co-Conspirator 5 in the indictment but has not been charged by the special counsel, addressed the second memo to James R. Troupis, a lawyer who was assisting the Trump campaign’s efforts to challenge Mr. Biden’s victory in Wisconsin.
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By the next day, the indictment said, Mr. Chesebro’s memo had reached Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer.
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John Eastman, left, and Rudolph W. Giuliani, are both listed as co-conspirators in prosecutors’ indictment.Credit...Jacquelyn Martin/Associated Press

According to the indictment, Mr. Giuliani, who is referred to as Co-Conspirator 1, spoke with someone identified only as Co-Conspirator 6 about finding lawyers to help with the effort in seven states. An email reviewed by The Times suggests that particular conspirator could be Boris Epshteyn, a campaign strategic adviser for the Trump campaign who was paid for political consulting. That day, Mr. Epshteyn sent Mr. Giuliani an email recommending lawyers in those seven states.

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As he had done in the earlier memo, Mr. Chesebro cited writings by a Harvard Law School professor, Laurence H. Tribe, to bolster his argument that the deadlines and procedures in the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional and that state electoral votes need not be finalized until Congress’s certification on Jan. 6. Mr. Chesebro had worked as Mr. Tribe’s research assistant as a law student and later helped him in his representation of Vice President Al Gore during the 2000 election.

Calling his former mentor “a key Biden supporter and fervent Trump critic,” Mr. Chesebro cited what he described as Mr. Tribe’s legal views, along with writings by several other liberals as potential fodder for a messaging strategy. It would be “the height of hypocrisy for Democrats to resist Jan. 6 as the real deadline, or to suggest that Trump and Pence would be doing anything particularly controversial,” he wrote.

But in an essay published on Tuesday on the legal website Just Security, Mr. Tribe said Mr. Chesebro’s Nov. 18 memo “relied on a gross misrepresentation of my scholarship.”
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For one, Mr. Chesebro quoted a clause from a law review article by Mr. Tribe about Bush v. Gore as support for the idea that the only real legal deadline is Jan. 6. That was taken out of context, Mr. Tribe wrote, saying he was only narrowly “discussing the specifics of Florida state law.” Mr. Chesebro, by contrast, made it sound as if he was putting forward “a general proposition about the power of states to do what they wish regardless of the Electoral Count Act and independent of the deadlines set by Congress,” he added.
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The House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 sits below a projection displaying a tweet from Mr. Trump.
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot cited two memos from Mr. Chesebro in its December report, but apparently did not learn of the Dec. 6 memo.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

For another, Mr. Chesebro cited a constitutional treatise in which Mr. Tribe wrote that a past Congress cannot bind the actions of a later Congress, which Mr. Chesebro used to buttress his proposal that parts of the Electoral Count Act are unconstitutional. But Mr. Tribe wrote that what he meant was Congress can pass new legislation changing such a law.

The indictment also accuses Mr. Trump and his unindicted co-conspirators of acting with deception in recruiting some of the fraudulent electors. That included telling some of them that their votes for Mr. Trump would be used only if a court ruling handed victory in their state to Mr. Trump.

The Dec. 6 memo dovetails with that approach. Mr. Chesebro wrote that Mr. Pence could count purported Trump electors from a state as long as there was a lawsuit pending challenging Mr. Biden’s declared victory there. But he also proposed telling the public that the Trump electors were meeting on Dec. 14 merely as a precaution in case “the courts (or state legislatures) were to later conclude that Trump actually won the state.”
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Mr. Chesebro also suggested he knew that even that part of the strategy would draw blowback.

“There is no requirement that they meet in public. It might be preferable for them to meet in private, to thwart the ability of protesters to disrupt the event,” he wrote, adding: “Even if held in private, perhaps print and even TV journalists would be invited to attend to cover the event.”




JAFF 08-10-2023 04:11 PM

Supreme Court blocks OxyContin maker's bankruptcy deal that would shield Sackler fami
 
Govt should hold the Sackler family by the ankles and shake the last nickel out of those aholes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/su...72bbb0d0&ei=11

JAFF 08-11-2023 08:37 AM

Video of Maui fires
 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/0...l-weir-vpx.cnn

Its mind blowing. Drought in Hawaii. It looks like a California forest fire.

JAFF 08-11-2023 11:31 AM

Trump's 1st amendment rights are 'not absolute,' judge says in hearing
 
Trump's 1st amendment rights are 'not absolute,' judge says in hearing

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...693f0bef&ei=20

Lov2fish 08-11-2023 03:47 PM

Everyone's first amendment rights are absolute. The constitution is absolute, period. The document was created to restrain government from infringing on citizens. It was never for government to grant you shit. People that believe the shit liberal judges spew out are fucking morons and deserve everything that comes their way. The dumbing down of this country is nearly complete.

JAFF 08-11-2023 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 270769)
Everyone's first amendment rights are absolute. The constitution is absolute, period. The document was created to restrain government from infringing on citizens. It was never for government to grant you shit. People that believe the shit liberal judges spew out are fucking morons and deserve everything that comes their way. The dumbing down of this country is nearly complete.

No, its not. Lying to govt officials is NOT covered by the first amendment. Lying to cover a crime is not covered by the 1st Amendment.

If you get together with several associates and agree to repeat the same lie to officials to cover crime, is a conspiracy and is not covered by the first amendment. It’s really not that hard. If you really don’t understand how the government works or how the legal system works, you shouldn’t pretend to be a lawyer.

Racehorse 08-11-2023 04:30 PM

That is very sad.

JAFF 08-11-2023 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 270777)
That is very sad.

Surrounded by water, cant use it to put out the fire. Just watch, in a couple of months an el nino will drop 5 in of rain.


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