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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 343735)

Have you seen Tua's contract?

Or have you seen Tua play? He's a statue, who comes unglued when his first read isn't open.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 343707)

This really should put an end to the idea that it was Ballards decision. I always knew deep down that Irsay pushed for this. And the girls know it. So they were OK to give Ballard and SS time. They saw what could be done with a legit QB and they are staying

Ballard has built a pretty solid team. Need a piece here and there like most teams. But IMO we are "only" a QB away from being elite. Hopefully that is Jones

Maybe there's something in the article that shows differently, but I still call BS that Ballard wasn't at least aligned w/ Irsay on drafting AR. You and your staff don't go from acting like someone shit in your cereal to pure adulation b/c you now get to make a decision that your boss is forcing on you. Especially if that decision could very well be career limiting. Also, drafting AR very much tracks w/ Ballard's drafts up through 2023 since he pretty much drafted purely on physical traits up until 2024.

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Exactly. Regardless of how they ranked Young, Stroud, and Richardson... they didn't feel strong enough to make a move for one over the others.

They tried the vet QB route for several years, stumbled into an elite pick, and decided they were going to take a shot with one of the top-3 QB. If Young or Stroud were the third QB left, I think the reactions would have been the same.

Maybe. I'm guessing he and his staff knew that in all likelihood AR would be there at 4 or possibly Stroud would be there. I seriously doubt Ballard would have drafted Young with Young's physical limitations.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 343741)

Or have you seen Tua play? He's a statue, who comes unglued when his first read isn't open.

And not to mention that Tua is one big hit away from having his career ended.

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 343659)

Probably won't happen, but if they trade AR and then he ends up being a quality QB for another team, the usual anti Ballard posters will crucify him for making the trade. I'm kind of neutral on Ballard. He's done some good things and he's done some crappy things, but I do believe that drafting AR was more of an Irsay thing than a Ballard thing. I have no evidence of that, just my opinion.

If we do trade AR for pennies on the dollar and he develops into a good QB then don't see how it could be looked at in any other way than a big black eye for both Ballard and SS.

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 343744)

If we do trade AR for pennies on the dollar and he develops into a good QB then don't see how it could be looked at in any other way than a big black eye for both Ballard and SS.

I agree. That's why he shouldn't be traded right now.

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 343735)

Have you seen Tua's contract?

You’re talking about a guy who lead the league in passing yards in 2022 and qb rating in 2023. He’s done far more in this league than Daniel Jones ever has.

As far as injuries, Tua has missed 15 games in 4 seasons while Jones has missed 28 games in 7 seasons, so he’s no more injury prone than Jones.

In terms of performance on the field, Tua is objectively better than Jones.

As for the contract, I’m not sure the difference between what Tua is making now and what Jones will end up getting will be enough to be prohibitive. Besides, we have cap space.

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 343750)

He's not that guy anymore.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 343755)

He's not that guy anymore.

He’s 27 years old. Younger than Jones. What makes you say he’s not that guy anymore?

If Shane Steichen can get a career year out of Jones, he can theoretically do the same with Tua, a guy who is MUCH more talented.

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 343761)

He’s 27 years old. Younger than Jones. What makes you say he’s not that guy anymore?

He's shell shocked from all of the concussions. Like I said, it's usually 1st read or bust. Watch his footwork or lack thereof. He plays QB like Marvin Hagler use to box. he lock into his stance and the ball is coming out from that platform, come hell or high water. he's terribly inaccurate on swing passes and screens because of this.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 343762)

Maybe, but I don’t buy it. A guy that good doesn’t just suddenly forget how to play.

Give him a good coach, a solid offensive line, and Jonathan Taylor and I’m willing to bet he could be just as good or better than the guy who lead the league in passer rating 2 seasons ago.

I’d be more optimistic with him at quarterback than I would be with Jones.