Secondary

[Maniac]

I'm not sure I've seen a worse game by a secondary. For as much talent as they have there, that kind of effort is pretty inexcusable.

[Thorgrim]

Winston threw for a career high 456 yds. Two of his touchdowns came after he fractured his thumb in the third quarter! Nobody here can convince me that Winston is a good quarterback. Like much of the team the secondary is overrated and the fast start to the season was smoke and mirrors. Need upgrades here as well. This team is still rebuilding and the secondary is still a work in progress.

[Luck4Reich]

A young team that's going through a lot of growing pains. A lot of rookie and 2nd and 3rd year players on the defense. Not making excuses but bad games happen. This Defense is starving for some good young pass rushers. The coaches have to get better at I. Game adjustments too. Hard to run against #2 run defense so what are you doing to keep the ball from their offense Reich?

[Thorgrim]

I'm not sure I've seen a worse game by a secondary. For as much talent as they have there, that kind of effort is pretty inexcusable.

If indeed the talent is there, which I’m not sure is the case, you must question either the scheme or whether they are unmotivated. For a certainty, Winston’s talent is not part of the equation.

[YDFL Commish]

They just aren't good zone defenders. I don't know when Eberflus and Reich are going to realize this. But when they go to zone they get torched.

[Luck4Reich]

Bucs had the ball nearly 10 more minutes than the Colts and almost twice as many first downs. Terrible!

[ukcolt]

We have played so much better in man coverage the last few weeks, but that was when we had Kenny Moore on the field. Not having him was a HUGE factor in why we played the way we did yesterday. It was as if they didn't trust the guys to try to play man coverage...why not? It couldn't have gone any worse than it did.

Have we had a single game this season where Desir, Moore, Ya-Sin, Tell/Wilson have played together? And the bigger question is have we had a game where they have played together when they are pretty much healthy and not just suited up because we need them (which seems to have been the case with Desir for large chunks of this season). I like our corners and the depth....they are young and have struggled to recover from injury, but they have generally been in pretty good coverage all year, just not making the play on the ball as often as you would like.

It looked like Ya-Sin hurt his hand/arm in this game, have we heard any update on that?

[Chromeburn]

I think this is more an indictment of the offense than the defense. If not for the turnovers we would never have been in this game. Also the fact they held the ball ten minutes more tells me the offense could not sustain drives. We won’t play the number 2 run defense every week. But our over reliance on the run game is no different than the over reliance on the passing game we used to have. We need a QB that can convert passes. A guy that has good accuracy and will keep defenses honest, but also can pick up the slack if the running game isn’t up to the task.

Could their coverage have been better? Yeah. But a team is symbiotic, offense and defense don’t work in a total vacuum.

[Maniac]

I think this is more an indictment of the offense than the defense. If not for the turnovers we would never have been in this game. Also the fact they held the ball ten minutes more tells me the offense could not sustain drives. We won’t play the number 2 run defense every week. But our over reliance on the run game is no different than the over reliance on the passing game we used to have. We need a QB that can convert passes. A guy that has good accuracy and will keep defenses honest, but also can pick up the slack if the running game isn’t up to the task.

Could their coverage have been better? Yeah. But a team is symbiotic, offense and defense don’t work in a total vacuum.

Sorry, but no. The defense allowed far too many 3rd down conversions, even some ridiculous 3rd and long ones. They kept allowing easy passes even without the bucs best WR. That was a pathetic effort by the secondary.

[Maniac]

They just aren't good zone defenders. I don't know when Eberflus and Reich are going to realize this. But when they go to zone they get torched.

This could be, and if so, and the coaches don't see that or adjust to that, then we have another problem.

[Lawrence Owen]

The talent/players on the secondary is fine.
Individual effort was there.
The real problem was they were not in position to make plays because Matt Eberflus had called a zone defense the majority (at least 80%) of the game. And when the play calls had Hooker or Geathers or Willis covering TE's/RB's instead of protecting the deep ball in that zone,...Winston made them pay.
This defensive performance was all on Eberflus for not making mid-game adjustments when they were being torched.
I do think the reason was because his defense was getting turnovers...But that's no excuse when a QB is throwing 85% completion percentage on you...and those completions are coming within 2-3 seconds of snapping the ball, because his receivers got into the holes in the zones that fast. This also hurts the pass rush, because 2-3 seconds is generally not enough time for 4 down linemen to get to the QB. And when it was,..Winston was able to roll out and give his an extra second to get to that open spot.
Eberflus HAS to learn to make in-game adjustments...or I will want him gone next year.

[Chromeburn]

Sorry, but no. The defense allowed far too many 3rd down conversions, even some ridiculous 3rd and long ones. They kept allowing easy passes even without the bucs best WR. That was a pathetic effort by the secondary.

The defense allowed 8-15 3rd down conversions. Roughly 50%, which is worse than their usual. The way this defense is designed it gives up yards but is supposed to tighten up in the red zone. It is not supposed to give up the deep play. Considering this offense likes the deep pass I would think that plays to our strength. But safety help seemed a little late on a lot of deep passes. Still if it was for the two extra touchdown and the four turnovers we aren’t even in this game.

I think halftime adjustments are kind of a myth. You have to make in game adjustments. At halftime, by the time you get inside, use the bathroom, get something to drink and the coaches are done talking you have about a couple minutes. Not really enough time to put in comprehensive adjustments.

[JAFF]

I'm not sure I've seen a worse game by a secondary. For as much talent as they have there, that kind of effort is pretty inexcusable.

How many sacks did the Colts get? Not nearly enough. They need a big bad passrusher.

[Maniac]

How many sacks did the Colts get? Not nearly enough. They need a big bad passrusher.

Even when they got pressure, it didn't matter much. They still found the zones and completed too many passes. Also, a decent secondary can help those pass rushers have more time to get to the QB.

[Maniac]

Two straight games, complete fucking trash. Giving up a completion percentage record is a whole new level of awful.

[JAFF]

Its hard to judge pass defense by the secondary with no pass rush

[Maniac]

Its hard to judge pass defense by the secondary with no pass rush

see post 14. We already had that discussion.

Allowing 29 completions out of 30 passes is fucking pathetic, no matter the pass rush or lack of.

[JAFF]

see post 14. We already had that discussion.

Allowing 29 completions out of 30 passes is fucking pathetic, no matter the pass rush or lack of.

Considering how protected WR's are you can only cover someone for so long, and that means EVERYBODY in the D backfield has to be perfect every time if you take 8 seconds to get anywhere close to the QB.

It not one thing or the other, it's BOTH. You get some pass rush, it makes playing DB a lot easier. Freeney and Mathis made work easier for their DB's.

[Maniac]

Considering how protected WR's are you can only cover someone for so long, and that means EVERYBODY in the D backfield has to be perfect every time if you take 8 seconds to get anywhere close to the QB.

It not one thing or the other, it's BOTH. You get some pass rush, it makes playing DB a lot easier. Freeney and Mathis made work easier for their DB's.

No shit. We've already had that discussion. A good pass rush helps the secondary and a good secondary also can help a pass rush.

BUT....Every team has these same rules that their secondary has to go by covering those WR's and NONE of them suck as bad as the Colts secondary has the last two weeks or has ever allowed 29 of 30 completions, the lone incompletion was a pass behind the line of scrimmage. Literally every pass Brees threw beyond the line of scrimmage he completed. I don't give a fuck how poor your pass rush is, that is fucking PATHETIC on a whole new level.

[1965southpaw]

Two straight games, complete fucking trash. Giving up a completion percentage record is a whole new level of awful.

Q: What is 82 and 144????



A: The average completion % and QB rating of the last 3 QBs this defense has faced.

Considering 2 of those 3 are Tannehill and Winston that is a harsh indictment of this defense.

[Puck]

Q: What is 82 and 144????



A: The average completion % and QB rating of the last 3 QBs this defense has faced.

Considering 2 of those 3 are Tannehill and Winston that is a harsh indictment of this defense.


Where is the 3rd?

[Luck4Reich]

Where is the 3rd?

Probably the one they played last night lol.... I think his name is Brees or something.