2019 NFL Draft Day 1

[smitty46953]

Yep. Have to wonder if Sweat is on the Colts board now.

Tillery ? :cool:

[Chromeburn]

Sigh, was hoping Simmons would drop a little more. Will Tillery make it.

[VeveJones007]

I'm glad he's gone!

He's going to be a load to deal with in the division, though.

[smitty46953]

Broncos could get Lock here ? :cool:

[Butter]

That #57 from Hillsboro HS is a BIG dude!

Yes he is.

[VeveJones007]

Tillery ? :cool:

I'll say this: if the Colts take Tillery, I'll feel a lot more confident that he's a scheme fit.

[VeveJones007]

Broncos taking Fant.

[Luck4Reich]

I'm glad he's gone!

Another pancake.. Nelson is hungry.

[VeveJones007]

Seattle might go Sweat here to replace Clark, or maybe they get an OL to actually protect Wilson.

[YDFL Commish]

Tillery ? :cool:

That's where I'm leaning.

[Butter]

Seattle might go Sweat here to replace Clark.

WOuld make a lot of sense for them.

[Luck4Reich]

Getting closer.

[smitty46953]

Broncos taking Fant.

Yep, guess Elway wasn't in love with Lock after all :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Get Denver and Cincy on the phone to see if they'd move up for Lock.

[smitty46953]

Wherever Ryan Grigson is, DK Metcalf is #1 on his draft board. :rolleyes:

[YDFL Commish]

Another pancake.. Nelson is hungry.

Yeah, Big Q, Kelly and Glowinski can handle him...in 2020.

[Chromeburn]

Run on CBs should start soon

[YDFL Commish]

Wherever Ryan Grigson is, DK Metcalf is #1 on his draft board. :rolleyes:

Shit! Grigs would've traded half the franchise to get him!

[TheMugwump]

Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford still available :cool:

And now at pick #21, they are STILL both available.

As is Dillard.

And Sweat and Tillery.

And I'm starting to think they'll get a REALLY good player with their first pick tomorrow night.

[Luck4Reich]

Good TE

[Luck4Reich]

Yeah.. Sweat probably gone here.

[smitty46953]

Two TE's from Iowa before any WR's or RB's who would have predicted that last fall? :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Pick traded by Hawks

[Luck4Reich]

Metcalf to Pack now? Lol

[smitty46953]

Seattle trading back with Packers :cool:

[TheMugwump]

Wait. Did I just hear that Denver just used a first round pick on a TE who, over the past TWO seasons had only 21 targets and 15 receptions. And he is a suspect blocker?

Nice pick, Elway. Glad you are finally doing the Colts a favor, after fucking us back in 1983.

Edit: Nvrmind. That was just in the red zone over the last two years. That makes a LOT more sense.

[Luck4Reich]

Two TE's from Iowa before any WR's or RB's who would have predicted that last fall? :cool:

Not Grigson lol

[smitty46953]

Seattle trading back with Packers :cool:

Seahawks trade: Pick 21

Packers trade: Pick 30, Pick 114 and Pick 118.

[Chromeburn]

Wait. Did I just hear that Denver just used a first round pick on a TE who, over the past TWO seasons had only 21 targets and 15 receptions. And he is a suspect blocker?

Nice pick, Elway. Glad you are finally doing the Colts a favor, after fucking us back in 1983.

Who said that? Fant is a decent blocker. He just got compared to Hockenson all the time who is an outstanding blocker.

[smitty46953]

Packers taking Darnell Savage :eek:

[Luck4Reich]

Shut the fuck up!

[Chromeburn]

Packers taking Darnell Savage :eek:

Wow, he shot up the last couple weeks

[smitty46953]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter

Eagles trading up to Ravens’ spot at No. 22.

[Butter]

Wait. Did I just hear that Denver just used a first round pick on a TE who, over the past TWO seasons had only 21 targets and 15 receptions. And he is a suspect blocker?

Nice pick, Elway. Glad you are finally doing the Colts a favor, after fucking us back in 1983.

Edit: Nvrmind. That was just in the red zone over the last two years. That makes a LOT more sense.

What? He had 78 rec and 18 TDs over the last two seasons. Dud sounds a bit like Ebron. Put away the Methanol.

[YDFL Commish]

WTF are the Pack doing?

[VeveJones007]

Moved up for Savage? Huh.

[TheMugwump]

Who said that? Fant is a decent blocker. He just got compared to Hockenson all the time who is an outstanding blocker.

It was Kiper. And yeah, who the hell is Mel Kiper. I know, I know. But I know nothing about Fant.

[Thorgrim]

Son
Of
A

[Luck4Reich]

WTF are the Pack doing?

Keeping up.with the Giants:p

[Thorgrim]

I see the colts trading back if they can find a willing partner.

[Luck4Reich]

What do the Iggles need?

[TheMugwump]

You think Philly takes Greedy here?

[VeveJones007]

Here come a few OL.

[smitty46953]

Dillard to eagles, need OL :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Ok makes sense

[VeveJones007]

Ford or Taylor to Houston?

[TheMugwump]

Damn. I'm hoping for Ford or Taylor over Dillard, but him going may start a run on OT.

[VeveJones007]

I think Sweat will be on the board for the Colts...

[smitty46953]

Ok makes sense

Purely a move to jump Texans who need OL too :cool:

[smitty46953]

Ford or Taylor to Houston?

Yep I agree

[Chromeburn]

Only four more picks till Josh Jacobs

[Luck4Reich]

Only four more picks till Josh Jacobs

Lmao.... noooooooooo

[TheMugwump]

Houston will take Taylor.

Then Indy will take Ford and move him inside to RG for a few years, or see if he or Smith is the better RT, and the loser of that competition will be the RG for then next 10 years.

And Glowinski gets to be the super sub.

[Thorgrim]

Only four more picks till Josh Jacobs

Shut your damn mouth!

[Luck4Reich]

Interesting pick?

[VeveJones007]

Reach reachity reach reach reach

[smitty46953]

Tytus Howard to Texicans bit of a surprise :eek:

[TheMugwump]

Uhm...who?

Maybe they found someone, but the first round?

[VeveJones007]

Houston will take Taylor.

Then Indy will take Ford and move him inside to RG for a few years, or see if he or Smith is the better RT, and the loser of that competition will be the RG for then next 10 years.

And Glowinski gets to be the super sub.

Abram is a better player.

[YDFL Commish]

A few rounds to early?

[smitty46953]

Reach reachity reach reach reach

Somewhere Jaywan Taylor just shit himself :eek:

[smitty46953]

Gruyock and the Raiders take Jacobs with Lynch retiring? :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Gruyock and the Raiders take Jacobs with Lynch retiring? :cool:

Sounds good to me.

[Butter]

Gruyock and the Raiders take Jacobs with Lynch retiring? :cool:

I could see that, but DK seems like such a Raiders pick.

[TheMugwump]

Abram is a better player.

Is he Bob Sanders?

Because if not, then Big Uglies are more important than big safeties.

The Colts are ONE O-lineman away from having one of the league's best lines since the Aikman Cowboys. They move the pile on 3rd and 1, and they keep Andrew on his feet.

I'll take another lineman. But we'll see what Ballard is thinking real soon.

[TheMugwump]

Gruyock and the Raiders take Jacobs with Lynch retiring? :cool:

Hopefully.

[smitty46953]

I could see that, but DK seems like such a Raiders pick.

Or AB's cousin or whoever he is Marquise Brown :cool:

[nate505]

I want Abram, but in Ballard I trust.

[Butter]

Or AB's cousin or whoever he is Marquise Brown :cool:

That would be crossing the streams. The universe might implode.

[Luck4Reich]

Sweat is going to land in the Colts lap.

[Butter]

Gruyock and the Raiders take Jacobs with Lynch retiring? :cool:

Nailed it!

[Luck4Reich]

I would be happy with any of the 3.... Sweat, Tillery or Abram

[VeveJones007]

Is he Bob Sanders?

Because if not, then Big Uglies are more important than big safeties.

The Colts are ONE O-lineman away from having one of the league's best lines since the Aikman Cowboys. They move the pile on 3rd and 1, and they keep Andrew on his feet.

I'll take another lineman. But we'll see what Ballard is thinking real soon.

He's more Cam Chancellor.

[FatDT]

Surely the Ravens will take Sweat. Which will be a gut punch.

[TheMugwump]

Maybe.

It really is looking like a trade back too, if Ballard can find a dance partner.

Of course there are two OT's still on the board with first round grades as well.

[Luck4Reich]

Surely the Ravens will take Sweat. Which will be a gut punch.

Noooooooo.

Them fuckers would too.

[FatDT]

Noooooooo.

Them fuckers would too.

They lost Zadarius Smith and Terrell Suggs. They need edge rush. They’ll take Sweat.

[Chromeburn]

Is he Bob Sanders?

Because if not, then Big Uglies are more important than big safeties.

The Colts are ONE O-lineman away from having one of the league's best lines since the Aikman Cowboys. They move the pile on 3rd and 1, and they keep Andrew on his feet.

I'll take another lineman. But we'll see what Ballard is thinking real soon.

I had a Sanders comp for Savage.

[smitty46953]

Ravens will go WR Marquise Brown :cool: Need weapons

[Luck4Reich]

Phew!!!
Here we go!!!

[Spike]

Do Colts go cornerback? Probably that dude from Washington.

[Butter]

Ravens will go WR Marquise Brown :cool: Need weapons

Fuck Kiper, ESPN needs to hire Smitty.

[smitty46953]

Colts up and I have no clue, but think Tillery … :cool:

[Butter]

Do Colts go cornerback? Probably that dude from Washington.

I doubt it.

[Chromeburn]

DK Metcalf! Get it done Grigs!

[FatDT]

Do Colts go cornerback? Probably that dude from Washington.

I just don’t see him as a 1st rounder. Short, slow, probably a slot corner in the NFL.

[TheMugwump]

I'd love to be a fly on the war room wall right now to see how many of their first round list are still on the board.

I've been clear who I want, but I think it'll be Sweat.

[nate505]

There are many players I'd be happy with. Abram and Sweat top the list.

[Luck4Reich]

DK Metcalf! Get it done Grigs!

GTFO tonight lol

[FatDT]

Oh shit we could get Montez Sweat.

[Butter]

Lol just think how if Marquis is anything like AB how he is going to react to a RB barley throwing to him.

[Big Smooth]

Trade.

Damnit

[Chromeburn]

Trade ! Gimme picks, more picks

[smitty46953]

Washington is trading up to Indianapolis’ spot at No. 26. Sweat must be off Ballards board :eek:

[TheMugwump]

There's the trade!

[nate505]

A trade? So they aren't picking today?

[Big Smooth]

Man we really need pressure.

I'm not feeling this

[Luck4Reich]

Oh shit we could get Montez Sweat.

Yes sir

[Butter]

It ain't sexy, but I am ok with it.

[Luck4Reich]

Yes sir

Err no sir lol

[Indiana V2]

So I stayed up for nothing.

[Luck4Reich]

What picks are we getting?

[nate505]

I like more picks. At least if the haul is good.

[Dewey 5]

Traded out

[Chromeburn]

Washington is trading up to Indianapolis’ spot at No. 26. Sweat must be off Ballards board :eek:

I think that heart condition has a lot of teams worried. Hurst was a scheme fit last year and we didn’t touch him.

[Thorgrim]

A lot of first round talent has slipped due to reaches. Ballard could clean up if he plays his cards right.

[smitty46953]

Mike Chappell‏Verified account @mchappell51

Chris Ballard at the end of Monday presser.
‘We’ll be together Thursday. Or maybe not. Maybe on Friday.’

:eek:

[Butter]

George Bremer‏

@gmbremer
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#Colts getting Washington’s second rounder tomorrow (46) and their 2020 second-rounder.

Should be a decent second next year as well, I am good with this.

[Spike]

There's the trade!

In Ballard we trust.

[Luck4Reich]

Ballard likes them picks

[smitty46953]

What picks are we getting?

Colts trade: Pick 26.

Redskins trade: Pick 46 and a 2020 second-round pick.

:cool:

[Chromeburn]

George Bremer
‏

@gmbremer
15s15 seconds ago
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#Colts getting Washington’s second rounder tomorrow (46) and their 2020 second-rounder.

Hmm, that could be a high pick with a rookie QB

[nate505]

Colts trade: Pick 26.

Redskins trade: Pick 46 and a 2020 second-round pick.

:cool:

Blah. Not really a fan of that trade.

[Butter]

Hmm, that could be a high pick with a rookie QB

I would expect a top 50 or better.

[FatDT]

Seems like a shit trade for us.

[Luck4Reich]

I guess we will see how Sweat does and if it was with trading the pick.

[smitty46953]

Don't mind trading back but wish had gotten more this year :cool:

[TheMugwump]

Washington took Sweat.

Huh.

[Luck4Reich]

Seems like a shit trade for us.

I'm leaning towards this

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Ballard likes them picks


Ballard REALLY likes those 2nd round picks :D

[Luck4Reich]

I'm questioning Ballard on this one. We should have.got more.

[Butter]

Don't mind trading back but wish had gotten more this year :cool:

Maybe, but it is only dropping 20 spots and getting what should be a high 2nd next year. I would have loved another 4th or something this though. I guess the uncertainty on Sweats heart and character was too much for Ballard.

[Dewey 5]

Blah. Not really a fan of that trade.

Same here but lets wait & see. Tillery could be there at 34. Winovich most likely will be.

[FatDT]

Yeah WTF do we need a productive 6'6 4.4 40 pass rusher for? 2020 2nd rounder baby.

[smitty46953]

Here are Colts picks for 2019 :cool:

» 2nd round (34th overall)
» 2nd round (46th overall)
» 2nd round (59th overall)
» 3rd round (89th overall)
» 4th round (129th overall)
» 4th round (135th overall)
» 5th round (164th overall)
» 6th round (199th overall)
» 7th round (240th overall)

[Luck4Reich]

There goes Abram damn!

[njcoltfan]

I wonder when the Colts are going to draft someone to fuckin rush the passer!!

[nate505]

Same here but lets wait & see. Tillery could be there at 34. Winovich most likely will be.

I think the Colts can get some nice players in the 2nd round, and having 3 second rounders is nice (as well as a potential high 2nd rounder next year), but I just wish they could have got a little more for it.

And great, there goes Abram.

[Thorgrim]

Don't mind trading back but wish had gotten more this year :cool:

Agreed. Ballard must have had his sights on someone in particular that got swept up. My guess is Savage.

[Luck4Reich]

I wonder when the Colts are going to draft someone to fuckin rush the passer!!

In 2020

[Butter]

Yeah WTF do we need a productive 6'6 4.4 40 pass rusher for? 2020 2nd rounder baby.

I guess it just comes down to the truth about his heart issue.

[smitty46953]

Johnathan Abram to Oakland that sucks wanted him :cool:

[nate505]

I'm questioning Ballard on this one. We should have.got more.

Basically how I feel. When I heard the trade was made I was expecting at least two second rounders and a third. Perhaps I'm overvaluing the pick at that point though.

[Dewey 5]

Agreed. Ballard must have had his sights on someone in particular that got swept up. My guess is Savage.

Or Simmons.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Here are Colts picks for 2019 :cool:

» 2nd round (34th overall)
» 2nd round (46th overall)
» 2nd round (59th overall)
» 3rd round (89th overall)
» 4th round (129th overall)
» 4th round (135th overall)
» 5th round (164th overall)
» 6th round (199th overall)
» 7th round (240th overall)



I think the Colts will try to move up from Pick 89 to either the bottom of Round 2 or early in Round 3.

[Chromeburn]

Agreed. Ballard must have had his sights on someone in particular that got swept up. My guess is Savage.

Or Josh Jacobs..

[Thorgrim]

I think the Colts will try to move up from Pick 89 to either the bottom of Round 2 or early in Round 3.

I wonder what kind of package that would require.

[Luck4Reich]

Grigs would have done someting!! Lmao

DK is still available haha

[Thorgrim]

Or Josh Jacobs..

Lol damn you

[Luck4Reich]

I wonder what kind of package that would require.

If its with the Redskins not much since they got a bargain. Maybe can give us a bargain back?:cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Really wanted to.see Abram in a Colts uniform... oh well.

[smitty46953]

Chargers take Tillery, shit !!! :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Tillery gone.......... fuuuuuuck

[Dewey 5]

So much for Tillery

[FatDT]

It lined up perfectly. Teams before us reached for QBs and TEs and OL. Even the Ravens passed on Sweat. Right in front of us. He fell in our lap but we gave him to the fucking Redskins. Maybe he’ll bust but he has a better chance than most of becoming a 10+ sack per year player.

The best DL draft in years and we punted. We won’t get a piece of it at all.

[smitty46953]

Joey Bosa
Melvin Ingram
Jerry Tillery

Chargers' defensive line is going to be nice :cool:

[ChoppedWood]

Yep was really hoping that would be our guy... I think he's gonna be a hell of an inside pressure guy for them.

[smitty46953]

Where are Puck, Sherck, Omaha, GBB, & Dammy ? :eek:

[Butter]

That is disappointing.

[Spike]

Where are Puck, Sherck, Omaha, GBB, & Dammy ? :eek:

Getting drunk.

[Luck4Reich]

Hoping we can get at least 2 of with our 3 2nd round picks. I expect he will reach with a pick too.

Deandre Baker CB Georgia
Dremont Jones DT Ohio St.
Taylor Rapp S Washington

[Butter]

Getting drunk.

We are all getting drunk on this Blessed day.

-Ken M probably.

[Oldcolt]

Ballard telegraphed it. He said that the talent is pretty level from the middle of the first round thru the end of the second. He thinks the player he gets at 46 will be as good as the player at 26 and he gets another second round pick, albeit next year. I don't get it so that makes me feel better. The fact that so many people seem slightly apoplectic about who we are missing out on also makes me think this is a good thing. Most likely a good move.

[IndyNorm]

Not only Sweat but the top CBs, Murphy and Williams, are still on the board. Seems like we should have gotten way more than just next year's 2nd rounder to move down 20 spots. I think Ballard had someone inked in and when he and Marquis Brown were both gone he panicked.

[smitty46953]

Seahawks select DE LJ Collier :cool:

[Butter]

Not only Sweat but the top CBs, Murphy and Williams, are still on the board. Seems like we should have gotten way more than just next year's 2nd rounder to move down 20 spots. I think Ballard had someone inked in and when he and Marquis Brown were both gone he panicked.

I doubt it was panic, he has hinted strongly he was going to trade down, I just don't think he got as good a trade partner as he wanted. Doesn't seem like the value was as good as it should be, but not really that far off when considering the partner.

[Mr. Session]

I get it, but damn.

I would have liked to see Washington's first round pick next year. Maybe in exchange for another pick of ours in a later round this year. r/colts is riding Ballards dick for this one, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but what are the odds he gets another "All Pro" player in the second?

Even Grigson had a "money" draft, once.

[smitty46953]

Seahawks trade: Pick 30

Giants trade: Pick 37, Pick 132, Pick 142.

:cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I wonder what kind of package that would require.


I think Pick 89 and next year's third rounder should be enough to pick early in Round 3 this year. Obviously if the move up isn't as far, it would be less.

Maybe talk to the Jets again about a trade.

[Luck4Reich]

There goes Baker

[Dewey 5]

Hoping we can get at least 2 of with our 3 2nd round picks. I expect he will reach with a pick too.

Deandre Baker CB Georgia
Dremont Jones DT Ohio St.
Taylor Rapp S Washington

Scratch Baker off the list.

[smitty46953]

Giants take CB Deandre Baker, the first CB off the board :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Scratch Baker off the list.

Yep..I already did lol

[smitty46953]

Rams trade #31 to Falcons
Falcons select OT Kaleb McGary :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

I get it that Ballard didnt feel the value was there at 26... but there are guys coming off the board that can help the Colts a lot and kinda.pissing.me.off!

[IndyNorm]

I doubt it was panic, he has hinted strongly he was going to trade down, I just don't think he got as good a trade partner as he wanted. Doesn't seem like the value was as good as it should be, but not really that far off when considering the partner.

I dunno. The Redskins are pretty fuckin stupid. Seems like we should have gotten next year's 1st instead of their 2nd or this year's 3rd/4th thrown in along with the what we got.

[Luck4Reich]

Good player bit of a reach though

[Butter]

I dunno. The Redskins are pretty fuckin stupid. Seems like we should have gotten next year's 1st instead of their 2nd or this year's 3rd/4th thrown in along with the what we got.

Next years fist seems delusional. A 4th would be more in line.

[smitty46953]

N'Keal Harry to the Patriots :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

I hate Pat's fans

[Dewey 5]

Lot of good talent in round 2. Don't lose your shit just yet.

[smitty46953]

Later :cool:

[IndyNorm]

Next years fist seems delusional. I 4th would be more in line.

Maybe, but I've seen smarter FO do dumber shit. For example: Polian traded a 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder to draft Tony Ugoh.

Either way, seems like we should have gotten more.

[nate505]

Lot of good talent in round 2. Don't lose your shit just yet.

I'm not totally upset. I just thought he could have got more for the pick.

FWIW, the draft card that people use suggests it's a good trade, though I don't know how the card handles future picks (ie is the 450 points for a mid second rounder worth the same next year as opposed to this year).

That second pick tomorrow will be a first round talent, and he'll have two more picks to go with it in the 2nd. Hopefully at least two of them turn out to be key players for the Colts in the next few years.

[Butter]

Maybe, but I've seen smarter FO do dumber shit. For example: Polian traded a 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder to draft Tony Ugoh.

Either way, seems like we should have gotten more.

1 early 2nd for what was expected to be a late first. We traded a Late first for a mid second and what what can be expected to be a mid to early 2nd. Seems not that far apart.

[rcubed]

Ballard loves his second rounders!


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[Coltsalr]

Sounds like we might be waiting awhile tomorrow night too:

Chris Ballard ended his press conference tonight by saying, "We might not be done. There's gonna be a lot of interest in that 34th pick."

[Coltsalr]

N'Keal Harry to the Patriots :cool:

Glad it’s him and not AJ Brown.

[VeveJones007]

Sounds like we might be waiting awhile tomorrow night too:

Chris Ballard ended his press conference tonight by saying, "We might not be done. There's gonna be a lot of interest in that 34th pick."

Wouldn’t surprise me. On paper, I’m upset the Colts didn’t get at least another 4th in this draft, but the trade market was deflated this year. I’m not going to quibble too much over a 4th round pick.

And anyone upset about passing on Sweat, you can GTFOH with those hot takes. You have no idea what those medicals looked like.

Lots of good options available on Day 2. Will be fun to see what they do.

[Butter]

Wouldn’t surprise me. On paper, I’m upset the Colts didn’t get at least another 4th in this draft, but the trade market was deflated this year. I’m not going to quibble too much over a 4th round pick.

And anyone upset about passing on Sweat, you can GTFOH with those hot takes. You have no idea what those medicals looked like.

Lots of good options available on Day 2. Will be fun to see what they do.

I agree. Bit more would have been nice, but FFS a Redskins 2nd will be damn near a 1st.

[Dam8610]

Don't like the trade with Sweat on the board, but apparently Ballard didn't like Sweat as much as dropping down 20 spots to only get a 2020 2nd. That said, Ballard has earned trust at this point, and I'm sure he'll get some good players in the building. I think it's going to be a long time before the Colts get another shot at a talent like Sweat, though.

[Puck]

Don't like the trade with Sweat on the board, but apparently Ballard didn't like Sweat as much as dropping down 20 spots to only get a 2020 2nd. That said, Ballard has earned trust at this point, and I'm sure he'll get some good players in the building. I think it's going to be a long time before the Colts get another shot at a talent like Sweat, though.


If you listened to his presser he was asked about Sweat. He made a face and said I'm not going to get into that. But he is a good. Good player. So my take is its medicals.

https://www.colts.com/video/

[Dam8610]

If you listened to his presser he was asked about Sweat. He made a face and said I'm not going to get into that. But he is a good. Good player. So my take is its medicals.

https://www.colts.com/video/

I'd take a chance on medicals to get a 6'6" 260 DE who runs a 4.41 40, has an 85" wingspan and nearly 36" arms, and has some developed pass rush moves. For me, he was the 3rd best player in the draft from a pure talent perspective (behind Quinnen Williams and Ed Oliver). I hope the 46th pick and the 2020 2nd turn out to be worth it.

[Maniac]

And anyone upset about passing on Sweat, you can GTFOH with those hot takes. You have no idea what those medicals looked like.



The entire league has the same medical info and a team was willing to give up a pick to move up to get him.

[JAFF]

1 early 2nd for what was expected to be a late first. We traded a Late first for a mid second and what what can be expected to be a mid to early 2nd. Seems not that far apart.

And it's for next year. More picks, afforable talent, starting to look more like a Pats draft.

[JAFF]

The entire league has the same medical info and a team was willing to give up a pick to move up to get him.

It's the home town INDY doctors, they bring in the doctors working on their residency from IU Med to do all those tests and exams. The Colts doctors are from Sports Med (IU Med) who work the combine, doing the exams.

One of the reason the combine is in Indy, they have two big hospitals who are willing to give the NFL a day to do all this tests. And it's all downtown, close to the stadium.

[Chaka]

The entire league has the same medical info and a team was willing to give up a pick to move up to get him.

Yes, but it was Washington

[DrSpaceman]

I was not surprised to see Ballard trade down seeing all the pass rushers and LBers going off the board. Figure that might happen.

He found Darius Leonard in the second last year. Will wait and see how it plays out. Not worried.

[Dam8610]

I was not surprised to see Ballard trade down seeing all the pass rushers and LBers going off the board. Figure that might happen.

He found Darius Leonard in the second last year. Will wait and see how it plays out. Not worried.

He had arguably the best DE in the draft fall into his lap. All the pass rushers weren't gone. Ultimately all I care about is getting quality talent on the roster, but it's difficult to reconcile that with the Colts passing on one of the best talents in this draft was passed on just to pick up a 2nd round pick next year. Honestly this move would make much more sense if it was their 1 next year. Passing on a player that should've gone top 10 in this draft on talent alone makes a lot more sense if you're locking in a top 15 pick in next year's draft.

[DrSpaceman]

A top prospect with a potential congenital heart defect that could kill him anytime.

A bit risky, don't blame them for passing

[Dam8610]

A top prospect with a potential congenital heart defect that could kill him anytime.

A bit risky, don't blame them for passing

Somebody was going to put a jersey on him and send him out there. I hope the Colts made the right call on it, but it's hard to look at the tape and the measurables and think they did.

[Oldcolt]

Somebody was going to put a jersey on him and send him out there. I hope the Colts made the right call on it, but it's hard to look at the tape and the measurables and think they did.

25 other teams made the same call.

[Chaka]

He had arguably the best DE in the draft fall into his lap. All the pass rushers weren't gone. Ultimately all I care about is getting quality talent on the roster, but it's difficult to reconcile that with the Colts passing on one of the best talents in this draft was passed on just to pick up a 2nd round pick next year. Honestly this move would make much more sense if it was their 1 next year. Passing on a player that should've gone top 10 in this draft on talent alone makes a lot more sense if you're locking in a top 15 pick in next year's draft.

If he was such a sure thing, why was he passed over 25 times before the Colts pick arrived (and with many of those teams focused on DL prospects)? Look, this was a typical Raiders / Washington move - go for the big name and ignore the red flags that the other, wiser teams see. Dan Snyder runs his team like a fan.

I wasn't overwhelmed with the return we received from the trade, but I like how Ballard is always focused on the long term success even if its disappointing to the fans to not make a pick on the first day. In a week, we won't care that we didn't have a first round pick, we'll just be focused on the players Ballard selected.

[FatDT]

25 other teams made the same call.

Only one team traded away the pick that was used to draft him though. If Sweat reaches his potential Ballard is going to look foolish.

[Dam8610]

25 other teams made the same call.

That doesn't make it the right call. 28 teams passed on DeMarcus Lawrence (29 if you count the Cowboys passing on him in round 1). Do you think any of those teams regret that decision?

[Maniac]

25 other teams made the same call.

Not really. Some teams had other needs.

He may have been misdiagnosed:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027883/article/montez-sweat-may-have-been-misdiagnosed

Sweat recently met with Houston Texans team doctor Dr. James Muntz and was told he had been misdiagnosed with a heart condition in February while at the scouting combine, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Thursday, via sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Tests taken at the combine revealed Sweat might have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which results in thickening of the heart walls, as doctors in Indianapolis measured nearly two centimeters of thickness, according to Rapoport. Sweat has since met with several experts, who concluded that doctors at the combine accidentally included capillary muscle in their testing and that Sweat's actual measurement is about 1.5 centimeters, Rapoport added.

"Which would mean there is no risk for Montez Sweat under this diagnosis," Rapoport said. "This discrepancy would explain why some teams are absolutely fine with it."

Doesn't much matter now, Ballard and crew passed on him, so hopefully they don't regret that and get some decent players out of the trade down.

[Chaka]

Only one team traded away the pick that was used to draft him though. If Sweat reaches his potential Ballard is going to look foolish.

So many of these comments remind me of the post-draft threads from last year, when everyone was complaining about the selection of Nelson, Leonard, and (to a lesser degree) Smith.

It’s certainly possible that Sweat could succeed, no question. I’m certainly in no position to speak meaningfully about Sweat's skills relative to the other DL prospects, or more importantly his medical condition. I just know that lots of smart teams passed over him (or didn’t make an effort to trade up to get him), and a perennially dumb team (Washington) did. As we sit here today, I’ll side with history and say that I think the chances are that this will turn out better for us than it does for Washington.

[FatDT]

So many of these comments remind me of the post-draft threads from last year, when everyone was complaining about the selection of Nelson, Leonard, and (to a lesser degree) Smith.

It’s certainly possible that Sweat could succeed, no question. I’m certainly in no position to speak meaningfully about Sweat's skills relative to the other DL prospects, or more importantly his medical condition. I just know that lots of smart teams passed over him (or didn’t make an effort to trade up to get him), and a perennially dumb team (Washington) did. As we sit here today, I’ll side with history and say that I think the chances are that this will turn out better for us than it does for Washington.

While I find your post (and almost all of your posts) irritating the only thing I'm going to say is that I didn't complain about any of the draft picks you listed.

And remind any that need it that disagreeing with a move does not mean that I or anyone else critical of said move means we think Ballard is stupid, incompetent, a bad GM, is less smart than Colts fans on the internet, or should be fired.

[Chromeburn]

Not really. Some teams had other needs.

He may have been misdiagnosed:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027883/article/montez-sweat-may-have-been-misdiagnosed



Doesn't much matter now, Ballard and crew passed on him, so hopefully they don't regret that and get some decent players out of the trade down.

I heard this Sunday and then again leading up to the draft. I wonder if all the teams knew and simply some ignored it because they couldn't confirm it themselves. If so Sweat lost a lot of money yesterday and we might have missed out.

[Maniac]

I heard this Sunday and then again leading up to the draft. I wonder if all the teams knew and simply some ignored it because they couldn't confirm it themselves. If so Sweat lost a lot of money yesterday and we might have missed out.

Yeah I don't know. Hopefully for his health it was a misdiagnosis. If so, yes he lost out on a lot of money and is probably pissed off about that, but he can still make a ton of money by proving the doubters wrong.

I'm not saying Ballard was wrong with their choice not to pick him. It's just a bit surprising.

[Coltsalr]

25 other teams made the same call.

And it was a traditionally stupid team that made the other call.

[Maniac]

While I find your post (and almost all of your posts) irritating the only thing I'm going to say is that I didn't complain about any of the draft picks you listed.

And remind any that need it that disagreeing with a move does not mean that I or anyone else critical of said move means we think Ballard is stupid, incompetent, a bad GM, is less smart than Colts fans on the internet, or should be fired.

About the only pick I didn't like last year was Turay. I don't like them drafting project players in the 2nd round. Hopefully the kid develops. He showed flashes here and there, so we'll see.

[VeveJones007]

I fully recognize that it goes against our nature as crazy, irrational fans, but it's okay to say "I don't have an opinion on the Colts passing on Sweat because I have no idea what kind of medical information the team was given. Oh, and I'm not a fucking doctor."

[Dam8610]

While I find your post (and almost all of your posts) irritating the only thing I'm going to say is that I didn't complain about any of the draft picks you listed.

And remind any that need it that disagreeing with a move does not mean that I or anyone else critical of said move means we think Ballard is stupid, incompetent, a bad GM, is less smart than Colts fans on the internet, or should be fired.

Exactly. If this was Grigson, I'd be ready to riot. As it is, I'm only mildly irritated with Ballard, mostly because he proved himself last year. That said, the 2018 draft doesn't make any decision Ballard makes beyond question. He can be wrong.

[Maniac]

I fully recognize that it goes against our nature as crazy, irrational fans, but it's okay to say "I don't have an opinion on the Colts passing on Sweat because I have no idea what kind of medical information the team was given. Oh, and I'm not a fucking doctor."

Fans by nature are crazy, and have plenty of opinions. That's why boards like this exist. It's debatable how rational most opinions on the internet are.

[Chaka]

While I find your post (and almost all of your posts) irritating the only thing I'm going to say is that I didn't complain about any of the draft picks you listed.

And remind any that need it that disagreeing with a move does not mean that I or anyone else critical of said move means we think Ballard is stupid, incompetent, a bad GM, is less smart than Colts fans on the internet, or should be fired.

Look pal, I didn’t go back to check your comments from last year, and I wasn’t accusing you specifically of leaving such posts – only that there were tons of such posts last year and your comment reminded me of them. Nor did I suggest that you believe Ballard is incompetent and needs to be fired – so quit being a drama queen, please.

As far as my posts are concerned, sorry they irritate you but the truth hurts sometimes. I mostly refrain from commenting about player skills, offensive/defensive schemes, etc. because I recognize that many of the posters here (yourself included) plainly know more about those things than me. That’s why I come here in the first place – to read that kind of input and hopefully learn a little from everyone. However, I do know a little about business, negotiating and long term strategy – issues which are sometimes overlooked here - so I try to contribute some perspective from that angle. But, as always, you don’t need to listen and you are free to ignore my posts.

[VeveJones007]

Fans by nature are crazy, and have plenty of opinions. That's why boards like this exist. It's debatable how rational most opinions on the internet are.

Of course. Though if we're grading things on a spectrum of rationality, how would you compare these two:

1) The Colts are idiots for passing on a player with a heart condition.
2) I don't know enough about the player's medicals, so I'll withhold judgment on whether or not it was the right call.

[Maniac]

Of course. Though if we're grading things on a spectrum of rationality, how would you compare these two:

1) The Colts are idiots for passing on a player with a heart condition.
2) I don't know enough about the player's medicals, so I'll withhold judgment on whether or not it was the right call.

Has anyone here said the Colts are idiots for passing on a guy with a possible medical issue (if he was not misdiagnosed as reported that he may have been)?

[FatDT]

Look pal, I didn’t go back to check your comments from last year, and I wasn’t accusing you specifically of leaving such posts – only that there were tons of such posts last year and your comment reminded me of them. Nor did I suggest that you believe Ballard is incompetent and needs to be fired – so quit being a drama queen, please.

As far as my posts are concerned, sorry they irritate you but the truth hurts sometimes. I mostly refrain from commenting about player skills, offensive/defensive schemes, etc. because I recognize that many of the posters here (yourself included) plainly know more about those things than me. That’s why I come here in the first place – to read that kind of input and hopefully learn a little from everyone. However, I do know a little about business, negotiating and long term strategy – issues which are sometimes overlooked here - so I try to contribute some perspective from that angle. But, as always, you don’t need to listen and you are free to ignore my posts.

Lol ok.

[Dam8610]

Of course. Though if we're grading things on a spectrum of rationality, how would you compare these two:

1) The Colts are idiots for passing on a player with a heart condition.
2) I don't know enough about the player's medicals, so I'll withhold judgment on whether or not it was the right call.

Or:

3) The medical experts don't seem to think the heart condition is a big deal because they let him workout at the combine where they wouldn't let Maurice Hurst do the same last year, and some medical experts seem to think he doesn't have a heart condition at all. He was a top 5 talent in this draft available at 26, and Ballard passed on him and didn't get a first round draft pick in 2020 for his trouble despite dropping 20 slots very early in this draft. While I'm mildly annoyed at the decision making of the front office in this instance because getting a top 5 talent at 26 seems like a no brainer to me, especially at a position of need, I'm still confident based on their past results that they'll add a quality group of players to the roster.

3 seems the most rational to me.

[Hoopsdoc]

Well, if Dammy hates the move, we can rest assured it was the right one.

[VeveJones007]

Or:

3) The medical experts don't seem to think the heart condition is a big deal because they let him workout at the combine where they wouldn't let Maurice Hurst do the same last year, and some medical experts seem to think he doesn't have a heart condition at all. He was a top 5 talent in this draft available at 26, and Ballard passed on him and didn't get a first round draft pick in 2020 for his trouble despite dropping 20 slots very early in this draft. While I'm mildly annoyed at the decision making of the front office in this instance because getting a top 5 talent at 26 seems like a no brainer to me, especially at a position of need, I'm still confident based on their past results that they'll add a quality group of players to the roster.

3 seems the most rational to me.

Your very first comment, and therefore the basis of your rationale, is one giant assumption which you couldn’t possibly know.

[Dam8610]

Your very first comment, and therefore the basis of your rationale, is one giant assumption which you couldn’t possibly know.

You're saying I can't possibly know what the medical professionals are indicating? Or that I can't possibly know whether Sweat was allowed to work out at the combine?

[VeveJones007]

You're saying I can't possibly know what the medical professionals are indicating? Or that I can't possibly know whether Sweat was allowed to work out at the combine?

“Medical professionals don’t seem to think...”

We don’t know what they really think. All we have are various reports that do not necessarily true. Any positive report could just be coming from Sweat’s agent. Any negative report could have been fueled by teams hoping he would fall to them. We. Don’t. Know.

[Dam8610]

“Medical professionals don’t seem to think...”

We don’t know what they really think. All we have are various reports that do not necessarily true. Any positive report could just be coming from Sweat’s agent. Any negative report could have been fueled by teams hoping he would fall to them. We. Don’t. Know.

Read the whole thing. "The medical experts don't seem to think the heart condition is a big deal because they let him workout at the combine where they wouldn't let Maurice Hurst do the same last year, and some medical experts seem to think he doesn't have a heart condition at all." PROVABLE FACT: Montez Sweat was allowed to work out at the combine after being diagnosed with the condition. PROVABLE FACT: Maurice Hurst was not allowed to work out after being diagnosed with his heart condition. Using simple logical deduction, we can infer from the above provable facts that if Montez Sweat has a heart condition, the doctors who examined him at the combine don't think it's serious enough to prevent him from the strenuous physical activity of performing football drills, in part because we saw them remove someone last year from workouts for the same reason. So yes, to some degree based on their actions, we can tell what they think.

[Luck4Reich]

Hes a Redskin now... move on!

[Luck4Reich]

If Ballard just finds another Leonard and a lot of good depth at this point I'll be happy. He will add a couple more key FA signings that will be good contributors. O LINE will Gel more as will 2nd and 3rd year players grow and get better. This team will be fine.

[Racehorse]

A top prospect with a potential congenital heart defect that could kill him anytime.

A bit risky, don't blame them for passing

Len Bias comes to mind

[Dam8610]

Len Bias comes to mind

Keep him away from cocaine, then.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

If you listened to his presser he was asked about Sweat. He made a face and said I'm not going to get into that. But he is a good. Good player. So my take is its medicals.

https://www.colts.com/video/


Taking a look after the draft + UDFA signings, it appears to me that the Colts HEAVILY scouted Simmons, Sweat and Abram. There are 4 of their Mississippi State teammates that were either drafted (Green in Round 6), signed to UDFA contracts or invited to a rookie mini-camp tryout.

[Racehorse]

Keep him away from cocaine, then.

My point was that when you draft a player high in the draft, and said player keels over, you end up with nothing to show for the pick. You can blame it on drugs or a heart defect, but he is dead either way, and the team lost out on getting value for the pick.