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Chromeburn

04-07-2019, 07:18 PM

So you can post your own or someone else's mock. I am gonna share Emmit Smith's mock. Well, walterfootball's version of Emmit's mock. I think Johnson & Johnson would be a decent pick but maybe a little high for him here.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019emmitt_1.php

Indianapolis Colts: Chauncey Johnson-Johnson, S, Florida

Michael Irving once famously say that point win championship. But sometime you gotta stop the other team from getting point. That mean you have to add some great defense players to the death chart and then you can play good defense if you has good defense player.

Chauncey Johnson-Johnson from my old school, the Gator. He have two Johnson in his name, which make me think of another great saying, that two Johnson better than one Johnson. I hear this when I past by my son room and playing a video on his computer gizmo. Then, later, I past by again, and I hear girl moan. I wonder what the blot of this movie can possibly be, probably someone realize that it better two has two Johnson better than one Johnson.

Puck

04-07-2019, 08:03 PM

Butter

04-07-2019, 10:14 PM

Holy crap that shit is hard to read..... I think maybe they ought to find a proof reader and teach him how to talk and write..... I feel dumber reading what was written

You get that it is a parody right?

Puck

04-07-2019, 11:31 PM

You get that it is a parody right?

Ah.... got ya...

Then wrong forum fuckers!!!!

Dam8610

04-08-2019, 12:45 AM

Chromeburn

04-08-2019, 10:23 AM

It's not a "mock draft", per se, but I'm thinking they go Tillery at 26 (unless Burns/Ferrell fall or they trade up for one of them), Simmons (or Tillery in the Burns/Ferrell scenario) at 34, and Juan Thornhill or Amani Hooker at 59.

So if Burns and Ferrel are not there they go two DT’s with top two picks? I think if Simmons is there we have to take him. Like Warren Sapp dropping in the draft, Simmons is a top ten if not top five talent in this draft.

Chromeburn

04-08-2019, 10:26 AM

NFL draft scout has been one of the more accurate mocks over the years. This mock by them feels pretty right overall. However I don’t see is drafting a receiver at 26.

26. Indianapolis – WR A.J. Brown, Mississippi: Adding an explosive playmaker such as Brown could be the luxury weapon that elevates the Colts offense into the upper-echelon.

https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftscout/mocks/serritella-mock-draft-2-0-_oiqZBel-EWDrRpU5B91SQ/

FatDT

04-08-2019, 11:59 AM

We don't need a 1st round WR to have a top offense.

YDFL Commish

04-08-2019, 01:11 PM

VeveJones007

04-08-2019, 01:26 PM

Grigson isn't drafting anymore.

I think AJ Brown is the best receiver in the draft, but give me Ferrel, Simmons, or Abram based on who is available at 26 in that mock.

If Ballard really wants an EDGE, I think he needs to move up. I expect KC to jump in front of the Colts to try to replace Houston/Ford.

Dam8610

04-08-2019, 04:19 PM

So if Burns and Ferrel are not there they go two DT’s with top two picks? I think if Simmons is there we have to take him. Like Warren Sapp dropping in the draft, Simmons is a top ten if not top five talent in this draft.

I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

Coltsalr

04-08-2019, 05:19 PM

I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

You really believe the drop off between what we could get at 26 vs 34 is that significant?

In my mind, if they believe that Simmons is truly as good as the hype (the talent to become the next Suh) then you do it. If not, then I’m not sure imterested at #34 anyway.

YDFL Commish

04-08-2019, 05:31 PM

I think AJ Brown is the best receiver in the draft, but give me Ferrel, Simmons, or Abram based on who is available at 26 in that mock.

If Ballard really wants an EDGE, I think he needs to move up. I expect KC to jump in front of the Colts to try to replace Houston/Ford.

I agree that Brown may be the best WR in the draft. If Wilkins slips to 26, then Ballard is all over him. If not then I would want Murphy and then Tillery at 34 or vice versa.

I've got a feeling that Tillery has Pats written all over him if he's there at 32. He's just the type of versatile defender that BB drools over.

Chromeburn

04-08-2019, 05:37 PM

I'm all for drafting Simmons at 34, but it's too much of a risk at 26 for me. Let someone else risk a 1 on him if they're going to.

It’s a difference of 8 picks. But spending a one would give you the 5 year option which might be nice considering the injury. Real chance he is gone at 34. I don’t know if he lasts to 26 if the run on defensive line happens that I suspect will happen.

YDFL Commish

04-08-2019, 05:53 PM

What's the best case scenario for Simmons playing this season...maybe 8 games..and then how effective will he be?

Also he's got the baggage of punching a woman in the face. I'm pretty sure that Ballard will steer clear of that dude.

Butter

04-08-2019, 10:55 PM

?

Also he's got the baggage of punching a woman in the face. I'm pretty sure that Ballard will steer clear of that dude.

If Ballard believes he has grown as a person and put that behavior in the past I think he would consider him.

Dam8610

04-08-2019, 11:11 PM

You really believe the drop off between what we could get at 26 vs 34 is that significant?

In my mind, if they believe that Simmons is truly as good as the hype (the talent to become the next Suh) then you do it. If not, then I’m not sure imterested at #34 anyway.

It’s a difference of 8 picks. But spending a one would give you the 5 year option which might be nice considering the injury. Real chance he is gone at 34. I don’t know if he lasts to 26 if the run on defensive line happens that I suspect will happen.

I think you don't risk a first round pick on an injured player, because of the higher trade value first round picks carry (fifth year option is very attractive to teams trying to get a QB). I also think the talent level of the other options the Colts will have at 26 among healthy players is enough to go for one of the healthy players on the board. I might feel differently about it in the position of the Raiders, Rams, or Cheaters, but that's not the position the Colts are in. Also, having watched the tape, Tillery could be as good as Simmons IMO, and won't be injured to start the season. You don't have to agree, but that's my take on it. Considering what happened with Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack in recent history, I think quite a few NFL talent evaluators agree.

If Ballard believes he has grown as a person and put that behavior in the past I think he would consider him.

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

Butter

04-08-2019, 11:56 PM

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

That is the take I have from it all. He did something horrible, knows and owns it and has worked hard to be a decent person. If Ballard with the amount of research and info they can get on him decides he is OK, I a cool with it.

Chromeburn

04-09-2019, 09:45 AM

I think you don't risk a first round pick on an injured player, because of the higher trade value first round picks carry (fifth year option is very attractive to teams trying to get a QB). I also think the talent level of the other options the Colts will have at 26 among healthy players is enough to go for one of the healthy players on the board. I might feel differently about it in the position of the Raiders, Rams, or Cheaters, but that's not the position the Colts are in. Also, having watched the tape, Tillery could be as good as Simmons IMO, and won't be injured to start the season. You don't have to agree, but that's my take on it. Considering what happened with Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack in recent history, I think quite a few NFL talent evaluators agree.

Every coach he's ever had fully vouches for his character. Considering that incident happened when he was in high school, I think Ballard will be among the group who looks at it as an isolated incident rather than a character red flag.

I think Tillery is underrated, but I don’t think he is a top ten player. Maybe he will be but Simmons is the better rated player and a DT doesn’t usually have an instant impact like a RB does. I’m ok with losing half a season or even a season of the guy turns out to be a Fletcher Cox type. Getting a ten year stud is worth the trade off for me.

Chromeburn

04-09-2019, 09:48 AM

That is the take I have from it all. He did something horrible, knows and owns it and has worked hard to be a decent person. If Ballard with the amount of research and info they can get on him decides he is OK, I a cool with it.

His sister was in a fight with the girl, he said he feared for his family. I don’t like the fact she was on her back at the time. But he was in high school and all the reports about him since then have been great. I didn’t not like the Mixon situation and did not want him. But the circumstances seem different here.

FatDT

04-09-2019, 10:32 AM

His sister was in a fight with the girl, he said he feared for his family. I don’t like the fact she was on her back at the time. But he was in high school and all the reports about him since then have been great. I didn’t not like the Mixon situation and did not want him. But the circumstances seem different here.

He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

Luck4Reich

04-09-2019, 12:19 PM

He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

The only thing his sister was in danger of was not finding a buffet with enough food to make her happy.

Dam8610

04-09-2019, 12:55 PM

I think Tillery is underrated, but I don’t think he is a top ten player. Maybe he will be but Simmons is the better rated player and a DT doesn’t usually have an instant impact like a RB does. I’m ok with losing half a season or even a season of the guy turns out to be a Fletcher Cox type. Getting a ten year stud is worth the trade off for me.

I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

Chromeburn

04-09-2019, 03:25 PM

He has been a model citizen and kept his grades up. I can buy that he acted out-of-character because he had no priors and has done nothing since. But the idea that his sister is in danger is pretty ridiculous if you watch the video.

I agree at the moment he seemed to be piling on. I’m just passing on what he has said. But we didn’t see the whole fight, just that clip of it. This is a situation where it would come down to the interview for me, unfortunately we don’t have that access.

Chromeburn

04-09-2019, 03:35 PM

I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

I think he is a top five player in this draft (a strong DT draft) if healthy and no off field crap. To the Falcons seems a little low to me. I think he would have been right behind Q Williams, Bosa and Allen talent wise. At the end of the process I think he would have been top ten with QBs and defensive schemes dropping him a bit. He should project as a better player than Tillery, (and I like Tillery) but if I could guarantee this I would be working in a front office. I don’t mind drafting dropping players, I would have taken that Michigan DT last year. It’s a gamble but has a high payout if you hit.

Dam8610

04-09-2019, 05:43 PM

I think he is a top five player in this draft (a strong DT draft) if healthy and no off field crap. To the Falcons seems a little low to me. I think he would have been right behind Q Williams, Bosa and Allen talent wise. At the end of the process I think he would have been top ten with QBs and defensive schemes dropping him a bit. He should project as a better player than Tillery, (and I like Tillery) but if I could guarantee this I would be working in a front office. I don’t mind drafting dropping players, I would have taken that Michigan DT last year. It’s a gamble but has a high payout if you hit.

For me he was never even a top 5 DL. That's where our disagreement is. Even if healthy, I'd have William's, Sweat, Oliver, Bosa, and Allen ahead of Simmons.

VeveJones007

04-09-2019, 06:33 PM

I never thought Simmons was a top 10 player. Top 15-20, sure, and he was consistently mocked to the Falcons before his injury, but never top 10 for me. This puts him in the same category for me as Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack: Top 15ish player who suffered a freak knee injury and fell to the top of round 2 as a result. If you could guarantee that he'd be Fletcher Cox after the time he misses with this injury, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him at 26, either, but also he'd be long gone before that, maybe even in the top ten. Unfortunately we don't know how he'll perform and the injury is just another risk factor that could potentially hinder his success. For me, Tillery grades in a similar range but doesn't have the risk factor of the injury to deal with. That's why taking Tillery at 26 or trading down would be options I would use before taking Simmons at 26. I see the value at 34 in part because historically that is where players like Simmons have gone.

I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

YDFL Commish

04-09-2019, 11:08 PM

I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

I guess that we should agree to disagree, because I don't see Tillery as strictly a 5-tech.

I could be wrong in that evaluation, but at the end of the day I have to believe that he has more versatility than strictly playing a 5-tech role.

Dam8610

04-10-2019, 02:13 AM

I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

He could play 5 tech, but he's not the type of player that would be pigeonholed to strictly that role. In fact it's the versatility I see that I think the Colts will covet. He has size, length, and athleticism that shows through on tape and in measurables, and could theoretically play 3 positions on the Colts DL, those being NT, UT and run down DE. I'm honestly curious as to what tape of him you watched that has you so convinced that 5 tech DE in a 3-4 is his only viable NFL role.

VeveJones007

04-10-2019, 08:29 AM

He could play 5 tech, but he's not the type of player that would be pigeonholed to strictly that role. In fact it's the versatility I see that I think the Colts will covet. He has size, length, and athleticism that shows through on tape and in measurables, and could theoretically play 3 positions on the Colts DL, those being NT, UT and run down DE. I'm honestly curious as to what tape of him you watched that has you so convinced that 5 tech DE in a 3-4 is his only viable NFL role.

Watch any tape of his and notice how he attacks the OL. He’s chest to chest and beats a guard (usually) with power. He isn’t beating the guard off the snap and behind him before the guard can get his hands on him.

That last part is what the Colts want. The first part leads me to believe he would be great in a 2 gap scheme. Maybe he can play with more speed, but I don’t see any tape to show it. Just watch some Christian Wilkins and notice how often he slices or sidesteps through gaps. That’s what Eberflus wants.

Dam8610

04-10-2019, 09:17 AM

Watch any tape of his and notice how he attacks the OL. He’s chest to chest and beats a guard (usually) with power. He isn’t beating the guard off the snap and behind him before the guard can get his hands on him.

That last part is what the Colts want. The first part leads me to believe he would be great in a 2 gap scheme. Maybe he can play with more speed, but I don’t see any tape to show it. Just watch some Christian Wilkins and notice how often he slices or sidesteps through gaps. That’s what Eberflus wants.

What I see is that he's usually using his length to keep a guard off of him and is usually able to use that length to penetrate a gap and/or generate interior pressure. The way he attacks also allows him to stay more disciplined in gap contain and thus he doesn't have teams running at him for big gains. He has the explosiveness to knife through a gap if he needs to, but his other traits make that a risk he doesn't have to take to generate interior pressure.

Chromeburn

04-10-2019, 10:36 AM

I still say most of you are off on Tillery. If they trade Henry Anderson for a late pick, they aren’t spending a high pick on another player best suited for a 5T. Maybe we’ll know in a couple weeks one way or the other.

But Henry Anderson has been a 5-tech since college. He never played in anything but a 3-4 college or pro. Tillery has been a DT in a 4-3 all through college. The situations are not the same. Tillery has showed enough burst to be a 3-tech and has a frame that could put on more weight and could potentially play NT. The guy seems pretty scheme diverse. Also you have to ask what the defense asked of him, ND likes to keep their LBs free from linemen. Tillery’s RAS score is just below Q Williams so he has the athletiscm.

Chromeburn

04-10-2019, 10:37 AM

For me he was never even a top 5 DL. That's where our disagreement is. Even if healthy, I'd have William's, Sweat, Oliver, Bosa, and Allen ahead of Simmons.

That’s the nice thing about the draft. We will find out in a couple years how these guy turn out.

omahacolt

04-10-2019, 10:51 AM

But Henry Anderson has been a 5-tech since college. He never played in anything but a 3-4 college or pro. Tillery has been a DT in a 4-3 all through college. The situations are not the same. Tillery has showed enough burst to be a 3-tech and has a frame that could put on more weight and could potentially play NT. The guy seems pretty scheme diverse. Also you have to ask what the defense asked of him, ND likes to keep their LBs free from linemen. Tillery’s RAS score is just below Q Williams so he has the athletiscm.

Anderson played 3 tech here a good amount. He was pretty good at it

Chromeburn

04-10-2019, 02:13 PM

Anderson played 3 tech here a good amount. He was pretty good at it

When was that? He was always at end I thought.

Well fuck, I guess he played a lot of 3-tech at Stanford too in nickle packages. Well just ignore my earlier post, I thought he was always a 5-tech. I really wonder why they did let him go then.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-pff-stat-chat-colts-de-henry-anderson

VeveJones007

04-10-2019, 02:41 PM

When was that? He was always at end I thought.

Well fuck, I guess he played a lot of 3-tech at Stanford too in nickle packages. Well just ignore my earlier post, I thought he was always a 5-tech. I really wonder why they did let him go then.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-pff-stat-chat-colts-de-henry-anderson

Because the whole point of Eberflus’s one gap system is to get through the gap before the OL even engages. You need a special get off, which Anderson and Tillery don’t have. They win with length and strength, not pure speed.

VeveJones007

04-10-2019, 02:43 PM

What I see is that he's usually using his length to keep a guard off of him and is usually able to use that length to penetrate a gap and/or generate interior pressure. The way he attacks also allows him to stay more disciplined in gap contain and thus he doesn't have teams running at him for big gains. He has the explosiveness to knife through a gap if he needs to, but his other traits make that a risk he doesn't have to take to generate interior pressure.

That’s all well and good, but it isn’t Eberflus’s scheme. He wants that penetration first and foremost. Wreck havoc in the backfield, then the LBs clean up.

omahacolt

04-10-2019, 02:56 PM

Because the whole point of Eberflus’s one gap system is to get through the gap before the OL even engages. You need a special get off, which Anderson and Tillery don’t have. They win with length and strength, not pure speed.

Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Dam8610

04-10-2019, 03:07 PM

Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Exactly. Using length and strength to win is just as good as using explosion to win, maybe even better in some cases because it causes less exposure to a big play in the run game.

Also, based on where Eberflus came from, he values length and athleticism in all his DL.

VeveJones007

04-10-2019, 03:51 PM

Winning is important. Who cares how it happens?

Ballard and Eberflus do. Again, I’m arguing what I believe they think, as evidenced by statements and moves that they’ve made. I think they prefer interior DL who get penetration immediately and I don’t think Tillery fits that mold; thus, I don’t think they’ll view him as a fit worthy of a top 34 pick.

I could be completely wrong. Maybe Tillery is capable. Maybe Eberflus wants more players with versatility so that he can change depending on opponent, conditions, down/distance, etc.

VeveJones007

04-10-2019, 03:53 PM

Exactly. Using length and strength to win is just as good as using explosion to win, maybe even better in some cases because it causes less exposure to a big play in the run game.

Also, based on where Eberflus came from, he values length and athleticism in all his DL.

Hopefully we’ll see how they feel. Tillery should be an option at 26 and maybe even 34.

FatDT

04-11-2019, 11:49 AM

I'm not at all unhappy with either Eberflus or Ballard, overall I think they will likely be the best we've had in years at their positions. But I will never be convinced that getting rid of Hankins, Anderson, and Simon were good moves. I get that Hankins was a money thing moreso than scheme fit, he was as good a fit or better than Woods or Stewart. With Anderson and Simon though, they were good players that I think team leadership should've been able to utilize.

VeveJones007

04-11-2019, 04:48 PM

Dam8610

04-11-2019, 05:01 PM

Was listening to a podcast with Jake Arthur. He was asked what he saw as a really good, realistic scenario for the Colts with their first three picks. He said Ferrell, Simmons, and a DB at 59 like Darnell Savage, Rock-Ya Sin, or Deandre Baker.

That definitely seems realistic and would be an impressive haul.

That would be ideal. If you told me the Colts could have that at the beginning of the process, I'd've taken it no questions asked. If they do go DB at 59, a name I'd watch for is Juan Thornhill.

VeveJones007

04-11-2019, 05:49 PM

That would be ideal. If you told me the Colts could have that at the beginning of the process, I'd've taken it no questions asked. If they do go DB at 59, a name I'd watch for is Juan Thornhill.

Also makes me wonder how open Ballard would be to trading down if he could get an early 2nd and another early pick in Rd 3 coming back. Then he could conceivably come out of Day 2 with top 100 players at DE, DL, S, CB, and WR.

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 10:50 AM

File this nugget away for Friday night of the draft: There is considerable buzz from opposing teams that the Indianapolis Colts could target a wide receiver at No. 34 overall.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 12:15 PM

@TylerDBrooke
Hearing that the #Colts are VERY HIGH on Boston College iOL Chris Lindstrom.

Sounds like keeping Andrew Luck upright is still a priority for this front office and coaching staff.

But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

Dam8610

04-12-2019, 12:24 PM

But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

Of course they're high on Lindstrom, he's an athletic guard and they seem to like those. I suppose I'd be okay with him at 59, but I think he'll be gone by then. I hope they don't pop him at 34.

Chromeburn

04-12-2019, 12:26 PM

But will he be a BPA will all the talent on defense in this draft?

There was some other guard they liked as well. I want to say He was from Duke. I’ll have to look it up again.

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 01:23 PM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

Adding to this, a Bleacher Report podcast today said the Colts, Titans, and Raiders have been looking hard at Marquise Brown. That being said, does anyone else get the impression that this scouting staff looks hard at everybody? They seem to leave no stone unturned.

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 01:24 PM

Of course they're high on Lindstrom, he's an athletic guard and they seem to like those. I suppose I'd be okay with him at 59, but I think he'll be gone by then. I hope they don't pop him at 34.

Agree. You can find and develop athletic guards from later in the draft.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy

04-12-2019, 02:21 PM

That being said, does anyone else get the impression that this scouting staff looks hard at everybody? They seem to leave no stone unturned.

I agree.

FWIW, of the teams he has visited, Brian Burns thought the Colts have displayed the most interest so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/10/colts-buccaneers-lions-giants-among-teams-meeting-with-brian-burns/

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 02:39 PM

S/CB Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is visiting the Colts today.

Chromeburn

04-12-2019, 02:59 PM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830785

1) I think most of us would agree that the Colts need to come out of the draft with a good option at WR and that 34 is the first place they should consider it.
2) I wonder if the Colts are driving some of these rumors. If Simmons is still on the board after Round 1, this type of rumor could push either the Cardinals or a team trading up to 33 to target a WR.

Mis-information, can’t trust anything you hear right now. They could go WR, RB, Dline, Secondary. Lots to choose from. But at 34 should be most the the receivers on the board. I see a run in the 2nd on WRs since I don’t predict many, if any at all, going in the first.

Chromeburn

04-12-2019, 03:00 PM

I agree.

FWIW, of the teams he has visited, Brian Burns thought the Colts have displayed the most interest so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/10/colts-buccaneers-lions-giants-among-teams-meeting-with-brian-burns/

Seahawks want to trade down. I just don’t see him making it to 26, or making it past Baltimore really.

VeveJones007

04-12-2019, 03:12 PM

Seahawks want to trade down. I just don’t see him making it to 26, or making it past Baltimore really.

Could all be moot if the Dolphins take him at 13.

Chromeburn

04-12-2019, 05:23 PM

Could all be moot if the Dolphins take him at 13.

Yup, I can see him really coveted by 3-4 teams. I think Jaylon Ferguson is more realistic for us. Or Omenihu in the 2nd, or even the TCU guys later on.

Ferrel seems all over the place. but come draft day I have a hard time seeing him fall either.

HoosierinFL

04-15-2019, 03:13 PM

Here is the big full mock draft conducted at reddit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19jmWk9P7tiIyu74N_4f_u9qBGWNOYxQFfmK8NI2llac/edit#gid=0

They assembled GMs and war rooms for each team and did a full mock, with trades and all.
Here's a summary of what the Colts did:
TRADE - Colts trade 1.26 to Bills for 2.40, 4.112, 2020 2nd Round Pick

We didn't like any of the players left on board at 26 (and I'm a big proponent of trading down from our spot as any player I think the Colts would target will be there at 34. We had dueling offers from Arizona and the Bills, but Bills came back with the 2020 2nd and that sealed the deal.

Round 2, Pick 34 - Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson

We got a player on our board that we really liked. He is the best 1T in the draft and we got him in the 2nd round. Entire WR was thrilled with this pick. We actually had a slew of targets available to us, but we settled on our biggest need and the clear best player at the position. Very happy with this one.

Round 2, Pick 40 - A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss

This pick was a bit debated in what we wanted, but we ended up not wanting to pass on arguably the best WR in the draft at pick 40. The Colts have met with him and he provides Slot/Outside versatility and is a great overall player. Thrilled to be getting him at pick 40.

Round 2, Pick 59 - Oshane Ximines, EDGE, Old Dominion

EDGE went very fast in this draft, and we didn't want to miss out on the best one on board. He's a great pick that can develop behind Sheard and Houston to start opposite Turay in a year. He more fits the mold of Sheard and provides us a guy with power that has some speed to him. This pick almost ended up being DeAndre Baker, but the Texans took him 4 picks before us. Still thrilled to have him.

Round 3, Pick 89 - Lonnie Johnson, CB, Kentucky

Happy about this pick too. A CB with all the tools to succeed in the NFL. Our target here was Love, but he went a few picks before us. We didn't need a CB to start immediately this year, so taking someone like Johnson that we can develop was good enough for us. He has also met with the Colts, which is another checkmark in his corner. Very pleased with this pick. Side note, we almost drafted David Montgomery here, but felt the value wasn't really there at RB to do that.

Round 4, Pick 112 - Marquise Blair, S, Utah

We were very happy with this pick. We wanted to get a S and were throwing around names, and we realized Blair was still there. He's tall, got good speed, loves to hit, and loves the game. Everything we could ask for. He played all kinds of positions for Utah, which we liked. We get a player who doesn't have to play right away, can contribute on ST, and will end up contributing at SS in the future.

TRADE Colts give 4.129, Washington gives 5.173, 5.175, 2020 7th

We didn't have too many targets in this round and Washington offered a good value for pick 129, so we jumped on it. It ended up working out for both teams in the end.

Round 4, Pick 135 - Michael Jordan, G/T, Ohio State

We all wanted some OL depth and were glad someone like him fell. He gives us Tackle and Guard versatility, and gives us more depth on the OL. Great pick here for us.

Round 5, Pick 164 - Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffallo

We really wanted to come out of this draft with a backup QB to develop for when Brissett leaves. We all love us some Brisket, but he deserves an opportunity to start somewhere and that wasn't going to happen here. Jackson gives us a QB with some potential to develop, and Reich is the guy to do that. We were scared he'd go in the 4th, but getting him in the mid 5th is a steal for us.

Round 5, Pick 173 - Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple

Really happy with this one. We wanted another RB with some power behind him, and we got that in Armstead. He always falls forward, and is willing to push the pile. He's got good feet and vision, and is reliable in the run game. Great pick for us and should be a good contributor in the RBBC for us.

Round 6, Pick 175 - Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech

We really wanted some LB depth in this draft, and Allen is a good player. He's had some issues, but I believe that is all past him and he's a talented player. He'll contribute on ST off the bat and can potentially come in and compete for starting reps at SAM.

Round 6, Pick 199 - Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame

This is more of a developmental pick than anything. We don't have any TE under contract after next year, and I have a feeling one of Doyle or Ebron is going to be leaving. I'm not sold on any of the other players we have as long term starters, so we take a player here who has potential to develop into something serviceable as a TE2.

Round 7, Pick 240 - David Sills V, WR, West Virginia

We were shocked he made it here. Doubling up on WR just made sense, with the weak depth that we have. All about competition, and he was a reliable target for Will Grier at his time in WV. Cain is a 6th round pick, Rogers is a UDFA with drop issues, Fountain couldn't crack the roster, and Pascal is nothing to write home about. More competition, and could develop into something. Great value in the 7th and couldn't pass it up.

YDFL Commish

04-15-2019, 04:21 PM

That would be a terrible draft.

HoosierinFL

04-15-2019, 04:27 PM

That would be a terrible draft.

Yea, I'd say worthy of a B- grade at best. Likely production coming from the first 2 picks, with everyone else being depth or developmental. Certainly underwhelming compared to the impact of last year's draft class.

Chromeburn

04-15-2019, 04:58 PM

That would be a terrible draft.

Yea he not a fan of that draft. Tyree has a cannon for an arm and... well that’s about all he has. Michael Jordan was good value, and A.J. Brown I like. Armsteas might be on the Colts radar. But overall kind of meh.

VeveJones007

04-16-2019, 06:27 PM

Luck4Reich

04-16-2019, 06:41 PM

VeveJones007

04-16-2019, 06:49 PM

It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

Just to clarify, Matt Delaney’s podcast today was the straw that broke the camel’s back. He was reviewing Rd 1 picks across mocks and he had me screaming in my car. He didn’t have a negative word to say about Lawrence, but had critiques on Abram, Ferrell, Simmons, and several WRs, all of whom would be significantly better picks than Lawrence.

VeveJones007

04-16-2019, 06:53 PM

I just saw the one that has Ballard trading back and selecting Abram.

I dont know enough to comment but I would like some more front 7... I know Ballard likes his picks so I can see him trying to get more.

If Burns is there Ballard wouldnt trade.

Agree on Burns. While I still think the pick will end up being DL or DE, I could see some scenarios with Abram that I would be happy with assuming Ballard grabs a good DT and DE in Rd 2 at 34 and 59. Maybe Ferguson or Winovich and Jones.

apballin

04-16-2019, 07:02 PM

It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

Who says he’s a 2 down DT?

He’s a monster and I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him but watching the colts draft series I’m not sure if he fits the character they’re looking for

Coltsalr

04-16-2019, 07:44 PM

It’s official. Seeing Dexter Lawrence mocked to the Colts is now irritating me more than assumptions that Deon Cain will be a stud WR.

Taking a two down DT in Rd 1 would drive me crazier than taking a RB and that’s saying something.

After Ballard has dumped Hankins/Anderson I think he’s over sensitive, if anything, to DL’s not being proper scheme fits.

I’d be very surprised if Lawrence is drafted. I really can’t imagine he’d be drafted with that in mind. I’d have to assume that Ballard sees something else in him that nobody else (us certainly included) sees. But for a guy that’s 342 pounds, what the hell other fit could there possibly be.

But yeah, safe to say, I don’t see Ballard doing it, for better or worse. I’d argue for better in this instance.

Luck4Reich

04-16-2019, 08:09 PM

Puck

04-16-2019, 09:28 PM

I want the DK Metcalf at 26 to stop too... Fuck that guy!

A WR with the first? You’re fucking nuts dude

Luck4Reich

04-16-2019, 09:36 PM

A WR with the first? You’re fucking nuts dude

Did you read my post? Lol......

I said FUCK that guy and the mock drafts suggesting him.. understand now? Lol

Luck4Reich

04-16-2019, 09:40 PM

I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

VeveJones007

04-16-2019, 09:59 PM

Who says he’s a 2 down DT?

He’s a monster and I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him but watching the colts draft series I’m not sure if he fits the character they’re looking for

2nd or 3rd and long, you’re playing Lawrence over two of Autry/Lewis/Hunt/Ward?

Drafting Lawrence would be like trading a 1st for Jordan Howard.

JAFF

04-16-2019, 10:04 PM

I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

Thanks, im not going to unsee that post.

Puck

04-16-2019, 11:02 PM

I know you drink Puck so I get how you may have misread that lol:p

My bad. My blood boils thinking we take a WR the first. Or the people who think it’s the right thing to do. So I jumped the gun.

And yes I drink. Who doesn’t ha

Luck4Reich

04-16-2019, 11:52 PM

My bad. My blood boils thinking we take a WR the first. Or the people who think it’s the right thing to do. So I jumped the gun.

And yes I drink. Who doesn’t ha

Lol... no worries... Way too many mocks has us taking a WR and it's stupid. Thank God Grigson is gone. I think he might.

Discflinger

04-17-2019, 01:50 AM

Interesting points.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q62Wo_iyCUM

VeveJones007

04-17-2019, 09:51 AM

Joel Erickson with a good write up on the DT position. I’m particularly grateful he didn’t list He Who Must Not Be Named.

Chromeburn

04-17-2019, 10:33 AM

2nd or 3rd and long, you’re playing Lawrence over two of Autry/Lewis/Hunt/Ward?

Drafting Lawrence would be like trading a 1st for Jordan Howard.

What about third and short or 4th and short? Or even 3rd and 4? Of course the dedicated pass rushers come in on obvious passing downs. And he doesn’t seem to be the liability guys that size normally are.

VeveJones007

04-17-2019, 10:36 AM

What about third and short or 4th and short? Or even 3rd and 4? Of course the dedicated pass rushers come in on obvious passing downs. And he doesn’t seem to be the liability guys that size normally are.

So you’d spend a 1st on a slightly better Al Woods? Or a 1st on a predominantly two-down, thumper at LB? Or a predominantly two-down, non-receiving threat at RB?

apballin

04-17-2019, 07:50 PM

Not even close Al woods was a 4th round pick Lawrence is way better than your giving him credit for, if not for the talent at DT in this draft he’d be goin way earlier

omahacolt

04-17-2019, 07:58 PM

My bad. My blood boils thinking we take a WR the first. Or the people who think it’s the right thing to do. So I jumped the gun.

And yes I drink. Who doesn’t ha

And let’s be honest. Colts fans always want weapons. I have read numerous times this year where fans want a te in the first.

YDFL Commish

04-17-2019, 08:49 PM

And let’s be honest. Colts fans always want weapons. I have read numerous times this year where fans want a te in the first.

Well, women and Tom Brady love them some TE's.

VeveJones007

04-17-2019, 09:15 PM

Not even close Al woods was a 4th round pick Lawrence is way better than your giving him credit for, if not for the talent at DT in this draft he’d be goin way earlier

Like Vita Vea did? Or Danny Shelton? Those “planet” DTs don’t provide 1st round value, especially in the Colts scheme. Even the really good ones like Snacks Harrison are only worth a mid to late round pick.

Chromeburn

04-18-2019, 02:24 AM

So you’d spend a 1st on a slightly better Al Woods? Or a 1st on a predominantly two-down, thumper at LB? Or a predominantly two-down, non-receiving threat at RB?

Again, Lawrence is more athletic than your traditional one dimensional run stopper. He has been able to rush the passer. And this is a specialist league. Guys that can do it all are at a premium. I would love Q Williams but we have no shot at him, I would love his teammate Wilkins. Doubt he is there either. We are ok Autry is light in the pants because he can rush the passer. But we will still have to face running teams in the playoffs. We have very little beef on the dline. The pats are going run heavy at the end of Brady’s career. Baltimore is going run heavy. League is constantly changing trying to find a edge. Offenses change, defenses adjust through scheme and personnel. Offenses change again. So yeah, an end of the round 1st on a big NT like him, I would rather have some other guys first, but if they aren’t there yeah I would be ok with him.

Racehorse

04-18-2019, 06:35 AM

And let’s be honest. Colts fans always want weapons. I have read numerous times this year where fans want a te in the first.

The best weapon is the one who gets the ball back to the offense.

VeveJones007

04-18-2019, 10:15 AM

Again, Lawrence is more athletic than your traditional one dimensional run stopper. He has been able to rush the passer. And this is a specialist league. Guys that can do it all are at a premium. I would love Q Williams but we have no shot at him, I would love his teammate Wilkins. Doubt he is there either. We are ok Autry is light in the pants because he can rush the passer. But we will still have to face running teams in the playoffs. We have very little beef on the dline. The pats are going run heavy at the end of Brady’s career. Baltimore is going run heavy. League is constantly changing trying to find a edge. Offenses change, defenses adjust through scheme and personnel. Offenses change again. So yeah, an end of the round 1st on a big NT like him, I would rather have some other guys first, but if they aren’t there yeah I would be ok with him.

Even though he provides more pass rush than other NTs, it doesn’t mean he isn’t still predominantly a two down player. In passing situations, he won’t be on the field, so he isn’t worth a 1st round pick in this scheme or in today’s NFL. That’s why I asked you whether he would play ahead of two among Autry/Hunt/Lewis/Ward on passing downs and you deflected.

Chromeburn

04-18-2019, 03:43 PM

Even though he provides more pass rush than other NTs, it doesn’t mean he isn’t still predominantly a two down player. In passing situations, he won’t be on the field, so he isn’t worth a 1st round pick in this scheme or in today’s NFL. That’s why I asked you whether he would play ahead of two among Autry/Hunt/Lewis/Ward on passing downs and you deflected.

Oh fuck off with that shit, I’m just trying to have a conversation.

Who would Lewis play ahead of on run downs of Sheard/Hunt/Lawrence/Autry?

Do talented NT’s go in the first round traditionally? Yes. So is he worth a first rounder? To most teams yes. Now the argument “he doesn’t fit this defense” is still largely subjective. Hunt, Lewis, and Woods all played in this D and have different styles, so is there a place for him? Certainly.

VeveJones007

04-18-2019, 07:02 PM

Oh fuck off with that shit, I’m just trying to have a conversation.

Who would Lewis play ahead of on run downs of Sheard/Hunt/Lawrence/Autry?

Do talented NT’s go in the first round traditionally? Yes. So is he worth a first rounder? To most teams yes. Now the argument “he doesn’t fit this defense” is still largely subjective. Hunt, Lewis, and Woods all played in this D and have different styles, so is there a place for him? Certainly.

Isn't part of "having a conversation" answering fair questions, which you still haven't done?

As for your question, Lawrence would obviously play on run downs over Lewis; however, unlike what you are advocating, Lewis was not a 1st round pick. The Colts absolutely need 1 or 2 big bodies to play some A gap. Do they need to invest their most valuable offseason asset in order to meet that need? No.

Chromeburn

04-19-2019, 12:53 AM

Isn't part of "having a conversation" answering fair questions, which you still haven't done?

As for your question, Lawrence would obviously play on run downs over Lewis; however, unlike what you are advocating, Lewis was not a 1st round pick. The Colts absolutely need 1 or 2 big bodies to play some A gap. Do they need to invest their most valuable offseason asset in order to meet that need? No.

:rolleyes: Everyone knows the answer to the question. He’s a run stopper first, just not a complete liability

It’s the 26 pick, not the Crown Jewels. And Lewis was picked a round later. Not that big a difference. Just being a 1st rounder doesn’t make it the end all. Depends on the draft which changes every year. Like those point systems they trot out for picks. Those aren’t accurate because the draft isn’t the same every year. A guy we’re picking will likely be rated a second round pick at 26. I doubt they have over 20 guys rated for the first round this draft. Colts should get the best player they can, hopefully it’s a defender. But Lawrence is a big DT and more athletic than any other NT that has come out in awhile. Guys like that don’t usually last too long even if they are devalued some now. You have a better chance of finding a good 3-tech with later picks than a player of Lawrence’s ability. He isn’t at the top of my list, but there are worse picks for me, like a receiver.

And we have three teams in the division trying to establish running games with big backs.

VeveJones007

04-19-2019, 10:44 AM

:rolleyes: Everyone knows the answer to the question. He’s a run stopper first, just not a complete liability

It’s the 26 pick, not the Crown Jewels. And Lewis was picked a round later. Not that big a difference. Just being a 1st rounder doesn’t make it the end all. Depends on the draft which changes every year. Like those point systems they trot out for picks. Those aren’t accurate because the draft isn’t the same every year. A guy we’re picking will likely be rated a second round pick at 26. I doubt they have over 20 guys rated for the first round this draft. Colts should get the best player they can, hopefully it’s a defender. But Lawrence is a big DT and more athletic than any other NT that has come out in awhile. Guys like that don’t usually last too long even if they are devalued some now. You have a better chance of finding a good 3-tech with later picks than a player of Lawrence’s ability. He isn’t at the top of my list, but there are worse picks for me, like a receiver.

And we have three teams in the division trying to establish running games with big backs.

Fair enough. I think you can get Lawrence's value for a much cheaper price and I don't think this scheme values Lawrence's skill-set enough for them to have a high enough grade on him to take him at 26. I could be wrong on one or both counts.

I also don't think that stopping the run was a problem last year. The run defense was pretty solid. I'd much rather get upgrades at EDGE, 3T, SS, and yes, even WR.

Chromeburn

04-19-2019, 06:01 PM

Fair enough. I think you can get Lawrence's value for a much cheaper price and I don't think this scheme values Lawrence's skill-set enough for them to have a high enough grade on him to take him at 26. I could be wrong on one or both counts.

I also don't think that stopping the run was a problem last year. The run defense was pretty solid. I'd much rather get upgrades at EDGE, 3T, SS, and yes, even WR.

Maybe. You can certainly get any position later with a little less production in theory. Other NT's thought won't have his athletic ability. I honestly wouldn't mind if they double dip at DT. Lawrence might not be in on pass downs, but he would occupy 2 blockers all the other time making our 3-techs job easier. Tillery, Dra'Mont Jones, Simmons, Autry and Hunt would all have an easier job with Lawrence next to them most of the time. Also it would make our goalline a lot more stout. Anyway, I'm not opposed to him, barring a better defender doesn't fall.

JAFF

04-20-2019, 11:10 AM

Dr Z and his legendary mock from SI

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/19/mock-draft-2000-paul-zimmerman-dr-z-best-ever

Chromeburn

04-20-2019, 04:25 PM

Mel and Todd had their mock today on ESPN.

They picked DK Metcalf for us.

Jeffrey Simmons was picked by the Eagles right before.
Clelin Ferrel went a few picks after us, so did Greedy Williams and Dexter Lawrence.
Byron Murphy went around 20.
The other DTs were long gone.

YDFL Commish

04-20-2019, 04:56 PM

Mel and Todd had their mock today on ESPN.

They picked DK Metcalf for us.

Jeffrey Simmons was picked by the Eagles right before. Clelin Ferrel went a few picks after us, so did Greedy Williams and Dexter Lawrence. Byron Murphy went around 20. The other DTs were long gone.

Ferrel would have been the better pick. But alas, those fucktards don't know shit.

Luck4Reich

04-20-2019, 06:29 PM

Mel and Todd had their mock today on ESPN.

They picked DK Metcalf for us.

Jeffrey Simmons was picked by the Eagles right before. Clelin Ferrel went a few picks after us, so did Greedy Williams and Dexter Lawrence. Byron Murphy went around 20. The other DTs were long gone.

They never get our pick right so good... Metcalf would be a waste of a pick.

Luck4Reich

04-20-2019, 06:39 PM

CBS sports has us picking.....

Round Overall Player Notes
1 26 DT Christian Wilkins, Clemson
2 34 SS Johnathan Abram, Mississippi State from NYJ
2 59 WR J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, Stanford
3 89 CB David Long, Michigan
4 129 DE Ben Banogu, TCU
4 135 RB Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma
5 164 LB Jahlani Tavai, Hawaii
6 199 WR Keelan Doss, Cal Davis
7 240 CB Isaiah Wharton, Rutgers

Chromeburn

04-21-2019, 11:43 AM

Ferrel would have been the better pick. But alas, those fucktards don't know shit.

I have to think Ferrel would be at the top of that list.

Chromeburn

04-21-2019, 12:01 PM

YDFL Commish

04-21-2019, 12:36 PM

HoosierinFL

04-22-2019, 08:50 PM

Kollman just posted his mock draft episode (1st round only) and has us taking Rock Ya-Sin. Really talked him up as a perfect fit to our zone d. I agree but not sure he grades as a first rounder and will probably be there for our early 2nd round pick.

Butter

04-22-2019, 10:04 PM

I am not sure how many of you Follow Brett Kollman on youtube, he does some interesting breakdown of players and what not. Even if he is a filthy fucking Texicans fan. Today he posted his 1st round mock, but it is not a prediction mock, it is who he thinks would be best for each team. His stuff is well done and interesting to me, though I am not in love with him having the Colts pick a CB, he does support each pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhFmPap0WwM

FatDT

04-23-2019, 09:14 AM

Chromeburn

04-23-2019, 01:52 PM

This is not a strong CB class, and while I think we could use some bolstering there, it's not like our top 3 corners are bad players. Desir, Wilson, and Moore all showed they can make plays and can be counted on in coverage. I don't see CB as a top team need, and don't think guys like Ya Sin, Byron Murphy, or even DeAndre Baker are going to be the best players available when we pick.

There are some CB’s that the Colts have shown interest in that will be later picks. Lonnie Johnson and Tim Harris of Virginia. I think they are looking at guys with good size and measurable that they can develop for a few years.

JAFF

04-23-2019, 04:37 PM

I think it was in MMQB, several GM's said the end of the 1st round talent isn't much different from the end of the 3rd round.

If that is really true, I wouldn't be trying to guess what Ballard is going to do.

FatDT

04-23-2019, 08:19 PM

There are some CB’s that the Colts have shown interest in that will be later picks. Lonnie Johnson and Tim Harris of Virginia. I think they are looking at guys with good size and measurable that they can develop for a few years.

I’ll agree there, some prospects like Joejuan Williams (i think) are huge.

apballin

04-23-2019, 09:29 PM

Mike Wells had us taking Abram in the 1st

Luck4Reich

04-23-2019, 09:33 PM

Mike Wells had us taking Abram in the 1st

I wouldnt be mad but I'm hoping we luck up and get Wilkins or Ferrell and then can get Abram with our next pick.

VeveJones007

04-23-2019, 09:36 PM

I wouldnt be mad but I'm hoping we luck up and get Wilkins or Ferrell and then can get Abram with our next pick.

Savage or Rapp at 59 would be really good gets as well. Nice to have some depth and options at positions of need.

Chromeburn

04-23-2019, 11:28 PM

I’ll agree there, some prospects like Joejuan Williams (i think) are huge.

Yup, forgot to mention him. Although I think he is sneaking into the second. LJ May be in the second now too. I read or heard about one of the Colts staff working out and talking up the Virginia CB who is 6’2. I guess he was dealing with some injuries at the end of the year which kept him from working out. But his numbers are supposed to be great when healthy. 4.4 at 6’2 or something.

Chromeburn

04-23-2019, 11:30 PM

Savage or Rapp at 59 would be really good gets as well. Nice to have some depth and options at positions of need.

Savage is my favorite safety now. Rapp is a tackling machine and nothing gets by him, worry about his speed though. I’ve cooled on Abrams because he misses so many tackles. This is a deep safety class, not sure if we spend a 1st on one.

VeveJones007

04-24-2019, 01:11 AM

Savage is my favorite safety now. Rapp is a tackling machine and nothing gets by him, worry about his speed though. I’ve cooled on Abrams because he misses so many tackles. This is a deep safety class, not sure if we spend a 1st on one.

So much depends on how the board falls. But at least there’s good depth across the defense so that we can be sure they’ll get add some quality players.

FatDT

04-25-2019, 09:32 AM

The Ringer posted their Mock Draft, it's nicer than most and a good read.

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.12778295.1853358007.1556130677-1984073539.1553710795

Plus the Colts first 2 rounds would be nuts. Tillery, Metcalf, and Abram.

smitty46953

04-25-2019, 09:52 AM

VeveJones007

04-25-2019, 10:10 AM

The Pick: S Johnathan Abram, Mississippi State

The Indianapolis Colts get lucky, and their guy falls to No. 26 overall.

For weeks now, the talk from NFL sources has been that the Colts really want Johnathan Abram, but there was a belief in their draft room and others that he wouldn't fall to them at this spot. Instead of trading up to secure him, the thought was the Colts would look at cornerback or defensive line and then try to get a safety in Round 2.

Instead, Abram is here, and the Colts get a perfect enforcer to work next to Malik Hooker in a secondary that's suddenly very dangerous.

Interesting comment from Matt Miller.

Miller also has Sweat falling to the Colts at 34. That would be insane.

VeveJones007

04-25-2019, 10:11 AM

Daniel Jeremiah has the Colts taking Simmons in his last mock.

Dam8610

04-25-2019, 10:22 AM

Daniel Jeremiah has the Colts taking Simmons in his last mock.

I wouldn't be thrilled with that, but I'd be okay with it.

Coltsalr

04-25-2019, 10:38 AM

I wouldn't be thrilled with that, but I'd be okay with it.

If you start arguing that Tillery is more talented than Simmons you're going on Ignore.

smitty46953

04-25-2019, 10:49 AM

Daniel Jeremiah has the Colts taking Simmons in his last mock.

I seriously don't want a Red Shirt at #26, but that's just my $0.02 … Love to have him, but healthy. :cool:

Coltsalr

04-25-2019, 10:58 AM

I seriously don't want a Red Shirt at #26, but that's just my $0.02 … Love to have him, but healthy. :cool:

A blown ACL in February means he could be back by November.

That, and I mean, rookies get hurt all the time. Deon Cain in 2018 and Malik Hooker in 2017 for most recent memory. If we draft a lesser talent and he blows his ACL in training camp, how much are we kicking ourselves for not just drafting the more talented guy if all they're gonna do is sit in the training room for 2019 anyway?

Dam8610

04-25-2019, 11:01 AM

If you start arguing that Tillery is more talented than Simmons you're going on Ignore.

Tillery represents the safer pick at the moment IMO. I'd also rather chance Simmons falling to 34, as I think it's the more likely scenario. That said, pop the tape on, both are incredibly disruptive from the interior.

smitty46953

04-25-2019, 11:03 AM

A blown ACL in February means he could be back by November.

That, and I mean, rookies get hurt all the time. Deon Cain in 2018 and Malik Hooker in 2017 for most recent memory. If we draft a lesser talent and he blows his ACL in training camp, how much are we kicking ourselves for not just drafting the more talented guy if all they're gonna do is sit in the training room for 2019 anyway?

Most are saying that is pushing it and risking further injury. Just my opinion but I feel he will be on IR in 2019. I want a guy who will be on the field this year. Your comparing an existing injury to probability of another, not really apples to apples but understand your thoughts. Just not what I would do. :cool:

VeveJones007

04-25-2019, 11:15 AM

Most are saying that is pushing it and risking further injury. Just my opinion but I feel he will be on IR in 2019. I want a guy who will be on the field this year. Your comparing an existing injury to probability of another, not really apples to apples but understand your thoughts. Just not what I would do. :cool:

What position could they take that would be a sure-thing starter in 2019? Taking a top 5 talent who has to redshirt isn’t a big deal with the state of the roster.

smitty46953

04-25-2019, 11:32 AM

What position could they take that would be a sure-thing starter in 2019?

I think Abrams would start for us this year at safety.
Tillery in our DL rotation and a number of WR's who could be valuable.
If Cain is not able... (had to say it)

Taking a top 5 talent who has to redshirt isn’t a big deal with the state of the roster.

True, just not what I would do.
:cool:

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Luck4Reich

04-25-2019, 01:01 PM

If Cain is not able... (had to say it)

:D............:cool:

smitty46953

04-25-2019, 01:11 PM

Wonder how Gruyock will do with Raiders selections? :eek:

Dam8610

04-25-2019, 01:47 PM

Wonder how Gruyock will do with Raiders selections? :eek:

Probably bungle them. That organization is a dumpster fire.

Coltsalr

04-25-2019, 02:09 PM

Tillery represents the safer pick at the moment IMO. I'd also rather chance Simmons falling to 34, as I think it's the more likely scenario. That said, pop the tape on, both are incredibly disruptive from the interior.

Would you potentially go Tillery/Simmons together 26/34?

Coltsalr

04-25-2019, 02:09 PM

Daniel Jeremiah has the Colts taking Simmons in his last mock.

So too does Kiper, Peter Schraeger, and Jason LaCanfora.

I'm thinking there's some fire next to this smoke.

VeveJones007

04-25-2019, 02:13 PM

So too does Kiper, Peter Schraeger, and Jason LaCanfora.

I'm thinking there's some fire next to this smoke.

But then Holder says he doesn't think Simmons will be on their board due to the domestic violence, so who knows.

Coltsalr

04-25-2019, 02:19 PM

But then Holder says he doesn't think Simmons will be on their board due to the domestic violence, so who knows.

Yeah, though after re-reading Holder, he does couch the statement a bit more than I had thought:

But if you look at the Colts’ recent history, they’ve rarely acquired a player with even a hint of major character issues. They’ve taken some fliers on players like cornerback Jalen Collins, who has past drug-related suspensions. But they’ve not invested money or early draft picks in a player with much of a checkered past. I just don’t think we can ignore that history.

On Monday, I asked Ballard if he’s backed off this stance at all. He once said he might eventually loosen his standards once the Colts were on solid footing, which they appear to be. His answer was not vague.

The team’s approach to character risks “hasn’t changed,” Ballard said. “It won’t change. Y’all have heard me talk about this enough. The locker room’s important. You only go as far as your locker room wants to take you. You have to have enough talent in it. But you also have to have guys who are willing to work, willing to do the things it takes and willing to do it together. I think you have to stay consistent. The first time you think, ‘Oh, we’re this close. Let’s just go take a bite of the apple.’ And then it burns you. We’re pretty strict on (who) gets in.”

Is Simmons the exception to all this? Running back Joe Mixon faced a similar issue in the 2017 draft. The Colts took him off their draft board. I don’t see the Colts compromising their standards for Simmons.

Seems more speculation than hard knowledge.