View Full Version : Colts' massive roster turnover continues / I enjoy having a GM I respect again.
OneVoice
05-05-2017, 10:25 AM
Insider: Colts' massive roster turnover continues (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/05/04/insider-colts-massive-roster-turnover-continues/101294958/)
The rookie free agents are “real important,” Ballard said. “I’ve had it both ways where we’ve had guys make it and some years we don’t. But it’s very important. The undrafted guys are, in my mind, no different than a draft pick. They’re going to get the same opportunity, and if they win the job, then we’ll move on from the other guy. But you can’t preach competition and not live it. Last year in Kansas City, if you’ve done your research, we cut our third-round pick (Kei’Varae Russell) for a sixth-round corner that we drafted. You can’t preach competition and not live it because, I promise you, the locker room knows. They know who deserves to make it and who doesn’t deserve to make it.”
Really think this was a Grigano failure: preaching competition but not really living it. TR and Landry are case in points that first come to mind.
I enjoy having a GM I respect again.
FatDT
05-05-2017, 12:05 PM
Since we are stuck with Pagano I will pretend the lack of true competition was Grigson's fault.
Racehorse
05-05-2017, 12:16 PM
Since we are stuck with Pagano I will pretend the lack of true competition was Grigson's fault.Yeah, we will find out this year for sure.
albany ed
05-05-2017, 12:51 PM
Insider: Colts' massive roster turnover continues (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/05/04/insider-colts-massive-roster-turnover-continues/101294958/)
Really think this was a Grigano failure: preaching competition but not really living it. TR and Landry are case in points that first come to mind.
I enjoy having a GM I respect again.
While I have high hopes for Ballard, he still needs to earn that respect. He's had what looks like a good draft in year 1, but they haven't played a down yet. Grigson did pretty good in his first draft, he just sucked after that.
FatDT
05-05-2017, 01:08 PM
While I have high hopes for Ballard, he still needs to earn that respect. He's had what looks like a good draft in year 1, but they haven't played a down yet. Grigson did pretty good in his first draft, he just sucked after that.
In hindsight his first draft wasn't as good as it looked. Luck wasn't his call, Fleener and Allen are gone (we did get two 4ths for them), no 4th round picks, and no one from the 5th round on stayed with the team. Hilton was really the only great pick. I guess you can argue how good the TE picks were.
Spike
05-05-2017, 01:58 PM
Since we are stuck with Pagano I will pretend the lack of true competition was Grigson's fault.
I really believe Pagano would have been canned too if not for Luck's injury. Pagano owes Luck big time for saving his ass more than once. Pagano is one of the most incompetent coaches I have ever seen.
omahacolt
05-05-2017, 06:43 PM
In hindsight his first draft wasn't as good as it looked. Luck wasn't his call, Fleener and Allen are gone (we did get two 4ths for them), no 4th round picks, and no one from the 5th round on stayed with the team. Hilton was really the only great pick. I guess you can argue how good the TE picks were.
no fucking gm was taking anyone other than luck. so lets stop that silly bullshit.
All this is great until the games start and we come out slow call stupid timeouts and mismanage the game. I don't know of any GM that can overcome that.
Butter
05-05-2017, 07:50 PM
All this is great until the games start and we come out slow call stupid timeouts and mismanage the game. I don't know of any GM that can overcome that.
Clearly, that was Grigson's fault.
FatDT
05-05-2017, 09:15 PM
no fucking gm was taking anyone other than luck. so lets stop that silly bullshit.
Sounds like you agree that he gets no credit then if any GM would've picked Luck.
Wyatt
05-12-2017, 01:19 PM
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albany ed
05-30-2017, 10:24 AM
In hindsight his first draft wasn't as good as it looked. Luck wasn't his call, Fleener and Allen are gone (we did get two 4ths for them), no 4th round picks, and no one from the 5th round on stayed with the team. Hilton was really the only great pick. I guess you can argue how good the TE picks were.
He picked Luck, therefore he gets credit for it. True, it was a no brainer, but you act as if, left to his own devices, he wouldn't have picked Luck. True, Fleener and Allen are gone, but while here, they were starters and Hilton is a star. That's 4 starters, plus Vick Ballard who played significant time until injured. That's not too bad.
Maniac
05-30-2017, 12:10 PM
He picked Luck, therefore he gets credit for it. True, it was a no brainer, but you act as if, left to his own devices, he wouldn't have picked Luck. True, Fleener and Allen are gone, but while here, they were starters and Hilton is a star. That's 4 starters, plus Vick Ballard who played significant time until injured. That's not too bad.
You don't get credit for no brainer picks, especially ones that the owner made the call on. Grigson deserves zero credit for Andrew Luck. He deserves plenty of blame for not protecting him though.
sherck
05-30-2017, 02:52 PM
You don't get credit for no brainer picks, especially ones that the owner made the call on. Grigson deserves zero credit for Andrew Luck. He deserves plenty of blame for not protecting him though.
The only drafts that I think Grigson did an acceptable job on were his first one (Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hilton) and his last one (Kelly, Clark, Ridgeway, Haeg).
The drafts in between were pretty dreadful.
Cheers,
The only drafts that I think Grigson did an acceptable job on were his first one (Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hilton) and his last one (Kelly, Clark, Ridgeway, Haeg).
The drafts in between were pretty dreadful.
Cheers,
In hindsight I don't like the Fleener and Allen picks.I was probably on board at the time, especially with Fleener being Luck's safety blanket at Stanford.
Brylok
05-30-2017, 06:08 PM
Arguing over whether or not Grigson sucks. It almost makes me miss Irsay's tweets.
In hindsight I don't like the Fleener and Allen picks.I was probably on board at the time, especially with Fleener being Luck's safety blanket at Stanford.
They were rated the top 2 TE's in that draft.
Here is Mayocks rankings for that year
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.events%26zon e%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%253Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds 1%253Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Devent%253Dd raft%26p.ct%3DNFL%2BDraft%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm %3D%2523000%26p.bgc1m%3D%2523EAEAEA%26sr%3Damp
albany ed
05-31-2017, 05:57 AM
The only drafts that I think Grigson did an acceptable job on were his first one (Luck, Fleener, Allen, Hilton) and his last one (Kelly, Clark, Ridgeway, Haeg).
The drafts in between were pretty dreadful.
Cheers,
This is what I'm saying. Everyone seems to be canonizing Ballard and he's had one draft, and not one of them has proven a thing yet. I feel good about Ballard, but I felt good about Grigson after year one as well. I'm not sure there were many if any that didn't.
Racehorse
05-31-2017, 07:05 AM
This is what I'm saying. Everyone seems to canonizing Ballard and he's had one draft, and not one of them has proven a thing yet. I feel good about Ballard, but I felt good about Grigson after year one as well. I'm not sure there were many if any that didn't.
We were all so glad Polian was gone, and that we were getting Luck, that we were thrilled with Grigson. History does repeatitself, but let's hope it doesn't with this team beyond that point.
rcubed
05-31-2017, 12:07 PM
This is what I'm saying. Everyone seems to canonizing Ballard and he's had one draft, and not one of them has proven a thing yet. I feel good about Ballard, but I felt good about Grigson after year one as well. I'm not sure there were many if any that didn't.
except that ballard seems like a professional, grigson never did.
Sure grigs had a very nice first draft. But do you remember his early press conferences, he was a sweating, bumbling mess. I gave him a pass because getting up in front of the media like that can be intimidating. but then he became an arrogant ass and started making many bad decisions.
ballard seems to have his shit together and has a plan. I dont know if grigson ever had a real plan or vision. we had early success and he 'went for it' with aging vets. that was a bad plan.
rcubed
05-31-2017, 12:12 PM
We were all so glad Polian was gone, and that we were getting Luck, that we were thrilled with Grigson. History does repeatitself, but let's hope it doesn't with this team beyond that point.
IMO, we were glad chris was gone mostly. irsay should have never let bill push his son into that role. if bill had stayed on as gm instead of his son things may have been different, or maybe not. I am not sure bill would have let manning walk but it was the right thing to do IMO. it was time for a change, that part of colts history had played itself out.
omahacolt
05-31-2017, 05:27 PM
except that ballard seems like a professional, grigson never did.
Sure grigs had a very nice first draft. But do you remember his early press conferences, he was a sweating, bumbling mess. I gave him a pass because getting up in front of the media like that can be intimidating. but then he became an arrogant ass and started making many bad decisions.
ballard seems to have his shit together and has a plan. I dont know if grigson ever had a real plan or vision. we had early success and he 'went for it' with aging vets. that was a bad plan.
that is all your perception. not exactly a fact
rcubed
05-31-2017, 06:11 PM
that is all your perception. not exactly a fact
yes, my perception.
Dam8610
05-31-2017, 09:00 PM
that is all your perception. not exactly a fact
Grigson invested a lot of money in aging vets. That part is definitely fact.
Butter
05-31-2017, 09:09 PM
except that ballard seems like a professional, grigson never did.
Sure grigs had a very nice first draft. But do you remember his early press conferences, he was a sweating, bumbling mess. I gave him a pass because getting up in front of the media like that can be intimidating. but then he became an arrogant ass and started making many bad decisions.
ballard seems to have his shit together and has a plan. I dont know if grigson ever had a real plan or vision. we had early success and he 'went for it' with aging vets. that was a bad plan.
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apballin
06-03-2017, 12:18 PM
Look it's good to have a fresh start/ new direction GM, however to me Grigson was a victim of circumstance after the 1st season success he started (swinging for the fence) no pun intended--- where is that dude by the way?
anyway- He gets bashed and I get it but he made a lot of good moves and tried to win "NOW" and got away from letting guys develop IMO going with vet FA's and not letting draft picks on the field or even stay on the team long
Who knew TRich sucked that bad? Who knew Art Jones would be a bust like that? Todd Herremans? the FA OL from the pats that kept getting hurt? I mean come on Landry had his best year ever with the jets when we signed him
Throw in Chuck getting Cancer, Arians leaving, deflategate, pep Hamilton, Chucks contract(every week we heard he was getting fired all year) the in house bickering between him and Pagano nd there you have it burnt toast.
Say what you want, but dude tried to win and win now he had some bad moves but it's still the offense he built, and you can't tell me with a focus on defense in this years draft we wouldn't have the same optimism looking at the schedule
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