Desir

[Pez]

How lucky were we to watch Desir develop into a decent corner? I was pretty down on him last year for the few games that he played, and I think Omaha was as well.

I don't think he grew at all under the Pagano system, where Pags was not only a bad coach, but a perhaps an even worse developer of talent.

In two regular season appearances against Desir (primarily anyway), DeAndre Hopkins averaged 4.5 catches for 36.5 yards. Hopkin's season average (including these games) was 7.5 catches per game for 98.5 yards. Hopkins is likely one of the top 2-3 receivers in our division.

Desir vs Amari Cooper.... Desir held him to 4 receptions for 32 yards. Cooper averaged 5.8 rec per game for 111 yards (only including his 9 Dallas games).

PFF ranks him #18 out of 90 CBs In the NFL. Sportrac Has the average CB salary at $2.8M, we paid Desir $1.75M.

** Please note: Do we really NEED this discussion to go to "Coaching doesnt matter?"

[Chaka]

How lucky were we to watch Desir develop into a decent corner? I was pretty down on him last year for the few games that he played, and I think Omaha was as well.

I don't think he grew at all under the Pagano system, where Pags was not only a bad coach, but a perhaps an even worse developer of talent.

In two regular season appearances against Desir (primarily anyway), DeAndre Hopkins averaged 4.5 catches for 36.5 yards. Hopkin's season average (including these games) was 7.5 catches per game for 98.5 yards. Hopkins is likely one of the top 2-3 receivers in our division.

Desir vs Amari Cooper.... Desir held him to 4 receptions for 32 yards. Cooper averaged 5.8 rec per game for 111 yards (only including his 9 Dallas games).

PFF ranks him #18 out of 90 CBs In the NFL. Sportrac Has the average CB salary at $2.8M, we paid Desir $1.75M.

** Please note: Do we really NEED this discussion to go to "Coaching doesnt matter?"

Unfortunately, just mentioning the "coaching doesn't matter" discussion ensures that it will become the central focus of this thread...

[Pez]

hehe.... doing the preemptive strike.

Sherk and others know a geat deal more about salaries and contracts and such, but if PFF for all it's faults is saying he had the 19th best season among NFL corners, and we are paying him the 71st highest salary among NFL corners. Something is going right.

He's UFA this year, we have to pick him back up and pay him.


**Edit... Cheese and rice, the redskins are paying Josh Norman $15M this year and $35M next.... Thats 5 million dollars a pick this year. We only paid 1.7M for Desir's 1 pick.

[omahacolt]

How lucky were we to watch Desir develop into a decent corner? I was pretty down on him last year for the few games that he played, and I think Omaha was as well.

I don't think he grew at all under the Pagano system, where Pags was not only a bad coach, but a perhaps an even worse developer of talent.

In two regular season appearances against Desir (primarily anyway), DeAndre Hopkins averaged 4.5 catches for 36.5 yards. Hopkin's season average (including these games) was 7.5 catches per game for 98.5 yards. Hopkins is likely one of the top 2-3 receivers in our division.

Desir vs Amari Cooper.... Desir held him to 4 receptions for 32 yards. Cooper averaged 5.8 rec per game for 111 yards (only including his 9 Dallas games).

PFF ranks him #18 out of 90 CBs In the NFL. Sportrac Has the average CB salary at $2.8M, we paid Desir $1.75M.

** Please note: Do we really NEED this discussion to go to "Coaching doesnt matter?"
I could be wrong but I don’t recall ever being down on desir

[omahacolt]

I think we need to lock desir up. His man ability gives the defense some flexibility with coverages

[sherck]

I think we need to lock desir up. His man ability gives the defense some flexibility with coveragesAs much as it pains me to agree with Omaha, I think Desir was the #2 priority re-sign for the Colts after Glowinski. You cannot ever have too many solid / good CBs on the roster and we only had 3 last year: Moore, Desir and Wilson coming on in the back half of the season.

Desir may be wanting crazy money (i.e. see $5m a pick) but if he is reasonable, sign him AND pick another talented kid in the draft.

Walk Worthy,

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[JAFF]

I think we need to lock desir up. His man ability gives the defense some flexibility with coverages

He's proven himself, you dont' sign him what does that say to the locker room when they have money to spend?

[omahacolt]

He's proven himself, you dont' sign him what does that say to the locker room when they have money to spend?

He wanted too much money? Players get over that stuff. They know the business

[sherck]

He's proven himself, you dont' sign him what does that say to the locker room when they have money to spend?
If he is asking $15m a year, then based on his history and physical abilities, he is probably out of our price range. With only one year of starter quality performance, he is probably more of a $9 - $12m a year guy instead of higher than that.

I would love to retain him because you cannot have too many solid / good CBs. But let's not all of a sudden believe he is a top ten CB. He is good, not great and if he is asking a "great" price.....

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

I like Desir but I'm not interested in paying him like a top 5 CB at all.

[Pez]

If he is asking $15m a year, then based on his history and physical abilities, he is probably out of our price range. With only one year of starter quality performance, he is probably more of a $9 - $12m a year guy instead of higher than that.

I would love to retain him because you cannot have too many solid / good CBs. But let's not all of a sudden believe he is a top ten CB. He is good, not great and if he is asking a "great" price.....

Walk Worthy,

I think that is about right, and would put him at the bottom of the top third of CBs. Maybe a little less than that even.

Blows my mind that the redskins are paying Josh Norman $15M a year.

[Pez]

I could be wrong but I don’t recall ever being down on desir

My bad, different poster, different player.... one of those two.

[JAFF]

He wanted too much money? Players get over that stuff. They know the business

You can move the money around, years and bonuses, if you want a guy, you can keep him.

[Pez]

He wanted too much money? Players get over that stuff. They know the business

I agree with you, but I bet even still there is a lot of players vs management shit that goes on. Probably less in the Ballard vs grigson era.

I seem to remember in one of the injury years we cut a decent player on defense because Pags started him and Grigson wasnt on board with it. I posted about it, I bet we cut (whoever it was) to keep Orlovsky.

While I agree that these players are professionals who understand the business, there has to be some friction there. McAfee might be another example. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall to some of these dynamics.

[YDFL Commish]

Desir, Moore and Wilson made a pretty good trio. Gotta agree with omaha..the guy needs to remain a Colt.

I would still like to add one more piece for young depth though. The fall off is dramatic after the above 3.

[omahacolt]

Desir, Moore and Wilson made a pretty good trio. Gotta agree with omaha..the guy needs to remain a Colt.

I would still like to add one more piece for young depth though. The fall off is dramatic after the above 3.

Corners are a position you constantly need to add. Hard to keep depth there. Although I put that position further down on needs than most people this year.

[VeveJones007]

Corners are a position you constantly need to add. Hard to keep depth there. Although I put that position further down on needs than most people this year.

Yep. With how much zone they play, they can find good scheme fits in the mid and late rounds.

[Chaka]

I think that is about right, and would put him at the bottom of the top third of CBs. Maybe a little less than that even.

Blows my mind that the redskins are paying Josh Norman $15M a year.

I like Desir as well, but nobody's talking about his age. He'll be 29 next year, which is usually on the downside of a CB's career. So if we resign him, it should be on a Ballard Special contract, where he's paid a good yearly average, but nothing guaranteed after the first year. Not sure he'd take that kind of contract because there might be other teams out there that would be willing to give him more guarantees.

[YDFL Commish]

I like Desir as well, but nobody's talking about his age. He'll be 29 next year, which is usually on the downside of a CB's career. So if we resign him, it should be on a Ballard Special contract, where he's paid a good yearly average, but nothing guaranteed after the first year. Not sure he'd take that kind of contract because there might be other teams out there that would be willing to give him more guarantees.

It's not the downside of a CB's career, who has not played a lot during his career.

[Puck]

I like Desir but I'm not interested in paying him like a top 5 CB at all.

So where would address his replacement? FA? Draft? What round

[Chaka]

It's not the downside of a CB's career, who has not played a lot during his career.

Just because he hasn't played in as many NFL games as others doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot of wear on his tires. The guy has been in the league five years, practicing day in and day out. Regardless, I'm not sure that its really a question of how much wear and tear he's exposed to, but rather just the simple fact that the motor skills necessary to be an top CB are at their peak in a person's mid-to-late 20s.

All I'm saying is that I'd be extremely hesitant to sign guys to big guaranteed contracts who are in their late 20s/early 30s and who play positions that rely upon elite athleticism, since the window for those skills to remain at their peak is fairly short. So as much as I like Desir and how he's risen from nothing to become a good corner for us, its not good business to sign these guys to big guaranteed contracts. We've seen it over and over, but some teams (for example, the Raiders or Washington) never seem to learn. Those are contracts that make everyone happy when they're first signed, but the team and fans later grow to regret. If Desir had played the same but was only going to be 26, things would be different.

This is the same reason (among many others) that it wouldn't be a good idea to trade for Antonio Brown (age 31) or sign Le'veon Bell (though he'll be only 27 next year, RBs peak very early).

[VeveJones007]

Just because he hasn't played in as many NFL games as others doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot of wear on his tires. The guy has been in the league five years, practicing day in and day out. Regardless, I'm not sure that its really a question of how much wear and tear he's exposed to, but rather just the simple fact that the motor skills necessary to be an top CB are at their peak in a person's mid-to-late 20s.

All I'm saying is that I'd be extremely hesitant to sign guys to big guaranteed contracts who are in their late 20s/early 30s and who play positions that rely upon elite athleticism, since the window for those skills to remain at their peak is fairly short. So as much as I like Desir and how he's risen from nothing to become a good corner for us, its not good business to sign these guys to big guaranteed contracts. We've seen it over and over, but some teams (for example, the Raiders or Washington) never seem to learn. Those are contracts that make everyone happy when they're first signed, but the team and fans later grow to regret. If Desir had played the same but was only going to be 26, things would be different.

This is the same reason (among many others) that it wouldn't be a good idea to trade for Antonio Brown (age 31) or sign Le'veon Bell (though he'll be only 27 next year, RBs peak very early).

Your concerns about his age also limit the type of contract he can expect to get in UFA. He's likely looking at a 3 year deal, which if structured the right way would be like a 1 year deal with two option years. It's low risk.

[Chaka]

Your concerns about his age also limit the type of contract he can expect to get in UFA. He's likely looking at a 3 year deal, which if structured the right way would be like a 1 year deal with two option years. It's low risk.

Actually, that's exactly the type of contract that the Colts should try to implement. Pay him well for the first year, but don't commit to him for too long if possible The problem (and maybe the reason we haven't locked him up yet) is that Desir may feel he can do better on the free market - where it's likely that another team would be willing to stick its neck out and sign him for lots of guaranteed money - hoping that he'll buck the overall trend and continue to perform at a high level for several years.

Who could blame Desir if this is true? This is probably his best chance to cash in for himself and his family. I'm only looking at it from the Colts perspective - what I think makes sense for the Colts. I'd expect Desir to do what's best for himself.

[FatDT]

So where would address his replacement? FA? Draft? What round

The draft, probably. Round depends on talent available. It's mostly a zone scheme, so it's not like we need multiple first rounders to play corner.

Though Ronald Darby is a FA and Reich would know him some from Philadephia. Jason Verrett has an injury history but is very talented when healthy, he won't command a big contract. Bradley Roby will be available.

[Chromeburn]

The draft, probably. Round depends on talent available. It's mostly a zone scheme, so it's not like we need multiple first rounders to play corner.

Though Ronald Darby is a FA and Reich would know him some from Philadephia. Jason Verrett has an injury history but is very talented when healthy, he won't command a big contract. Bradley Roby will be available.

I bet one of our first 3 picks will be a corner. Byron Murphy, Traveon Mullen, Rock-Ya Sin, Joejuan Williams. Can see us getting one of those guys.

[omahacolt]

I bet one of our first 3 picks will be a corner. Byron Murphy, Traveon Mullen, Rock-Ya Sin, Joejuan Williams. Can see us getting one of those guys.

I hope not

[Chromeburn]

I hope not

Because of the high pick used on a CB or the players?

[Racehorse]

Because of the high pick used on a CB or the players?

He will reply with "Yes".

[HoosierinFL]

Well D'Joun Smith just got cut by the AAF, let's bring him back!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Well D'Joun Smith just got cut by the AAF, let's bring him back!


The Colts better hurry.....upon hearing he is a free agent, I am sure Pags ran to the Bears GM's office to beg him to sign D'Joun.

[VeveJones007]

I hope not

I'm pretty sure Ballard will go DL/EDGE at 26 and 34, but I think anything from WR, CB, SS, OL will be fair game for that late 2nd.

[VeveJones007]

Because of the high pick used on a CB or the players?

Omaha wants to build the trenches, but I'll push back on not considering CB at 2.26 because here's what you would have on both lines:

OL:
3 1st rounders
1 high 2nd rounder
Glow

DL:
1 1st rounder (incl #26)
3 2nd rounders (incl #34)
Sheard
Autry
UFA?

At some point you run out of roster spots. 2.26 will be BPA at WR, CB, SS, etc.

[Chromeburn]

Omaha wants to build the trenches, but I'll push back on not considering CB at 2.26 because here's what you would have on both lines:

OL:
3 1st rounders
1 high 2nd rounder
Glow

DL:
1 1st rounder (incl #26)
3 2nd rounders (incl #34)
Sheard
Autry
UFA?

At some point you run out of roster spots. 2.26 will be BPA at WR, CB, SS, etc.

I don't think they will spend their first round on CB. But I think they will consider their 2nd rounders for it, 3rd and 4th also. Those guys I listed are 2nd to 3rd rounders I think.

A lot still depends on what happens in FA.

[omahacolt]

Because of the high pick used on a CB or the players?

The pick. Cb just isn’t that important right now. We have some talent there if we bring back desir. And we should.

[FatDT]

I bet one of our first 3 picks will be a corner. Byron Murphy, Traveon Mullen, Rock-Ya Sin, Joejuan Williams. Can see us getting one of those guys.

Moore, Desir, and Wilson all had some stand-out performances last year, with an overachieving group of no-names on the DL. The only front 7 (6, most of the time) star we have is Leonard. Improving the DL gives our corners more opportunities to make plays.

On the other hand, we also played some bad QBs last year. This year we'll play Matt Ryan, Patrick Mahomes, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger. So the corners will be challenged in a way they weren't until the 2nd round of the playoffs. So assuming we re-sign Desir, addressing the DBs with a 2nd or 3rd round pick seems like a fine thing to do this year if the value is there.

[Chromeburn]

The pick. Cb just isn’t that important right now. We have some talent there if we bring back desir. And we should.

If we bring back Desir I agree. Still waiting to see how FA breaks this year. They sign a Lawrence and Jarret then our DL needs go down. The only position I don't think they will use those top three picks on is WR.

[Chromeburn]

Moore, Desir, and Wilson all had some stand-out performances last year, with an overachieving group of no-names on the DL. The only front 7 (6, most of the time) star we have is Leonard. Improving the DL gives our corners more opportunities to make plays.

On the other hand, we also played some bad QBs last year. This year we'll play Matt Ryan, Patrick Mahomes, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger. So the corners will be challenged in a way they weren't until the 2nd round of the playoffs. So assuming we re-sign Desir, addressing the DBs with a 2nd or 3rd round pick seems like a fine thing to do this year if the value is there.

Got Hairston still in there who had a sophomore slump but a guy I'm still high on. I like the group we have, but secondary can always use an injection of talent.

Pass rush and DL is still top priority as the team stands and I think they will address it high and a couple times. But from rounds 2-4 I can see a CB in there or possibly a safety as the team is currently constructed.

Another guy is Chauncy Gardner Johnson of Florida, I think he can play CB and S. That versatility is useful in a nickle DB.

[Chromeburn]

If he is asking $15m a year, then based on his history and physical abilities, he is probably out of our price range. With only one year of starter quality performance, he is probably more of a $9 - $12m a year guy instead of higher than that.

I would love to retain him because you cannot have too many solid / good CBs. But let's not all of a sudden believe he is a top ten CB. He is good, not great and if he is asking a "great" price.....

Walk Worthy,

Maybe a 1 year prove it deal. At 27 he probably would like some long term security. Might be his last contract. Hope we do keep him though. I think Ballard will reward him if he qualifies as one of those guys he thinks deserves a contract and improves the locker room.

[Oldcolt]

I keep thinking about how I felt about the corner back situation going into last year. I want us to sign Desir.

I am for continuing to stock line man, both defensive and offensive. We have enough holes that Ballard should be able to almost always draft the best available player.

[omahacolt]

Desir was on Sirius and sounds like he really wants to be back.

[smitty46953]

Desir was on Sirius and sounds like he really wants to be back.

I keep hoping to see Colts have signed him to an extension :cool:

[FatDT]

Seems best for both team and player if he re-signs.

[JAFF]

Seems best for both team and player if he re-signs.

He can go out and test the market. He is going to get paid. And all that he and his family have been through, he should go and see what is available.

[Dam8610]

He can go out and test the market. He is going to get paid. And all that he and his family have been through, he should go and see what is available.

Why? Why not give him something like 2/$16 and be done with it? He's earned it, and then CB is not a concern heading into free agency.

[omahacolt]

He can go out and test the market. He is going to get paid. And all that he and his family have been through, he should go and see what is available.

Or you don’t let good players test the market

[JAFF]

Why? Why not give him something like 2/$16 and be done with it? He's earned it, and then CB is not a concern heading into free agency.

That's NOT the point. He has this chance to make life changing money, where his kids will not face what he and his wife have face. Ballard can make the offer you suggested, but he doesn't owe the Colts a thing. He has played well and hard and he's earned his chance to see what he is worth on the NFL landscape.

I want to see him stay, but if he gets stupid money up front, I get it.

[JAFF]

Or you don’t let good players test the market

NOT the point. You don't know what you are worth until you get an offer from outside the Colts

[Puck]

NOT the point. You don't know what you are worth until you get an offer from outside the Colts

What Dam posted is a pretty good offer. Ballard is holding onto money and IMO it’s to sign their own. He deserves it. Maybe even a little more that 2/16

[omahacolt]

NOT the point. You don't know what you are worth until you get an offer from outside the Colts

He has an agent. He knows his options.

[Racehorse]

That's NOT the point. He has this chance to make life changing money, where his kids will not face what he and his wife have face. Ballard can make the offer you suggested, but he doesn't owe the Colts a thing. He has played well and hard and he's earned his chance to see what he is worth on the NFL landscape.

I want to see him stay, but if he gets stupid money up front, I get it.

2/$16M would be considered life changing money to most.

[JAFF]

What Dam posted is a pretty good offer. Ballard is holding onto money and IMO it’s to sign their own. He deserves it. Maybe even a little more that 2/16

You don't think another team could top that?

[JAFF]

2/$16M would be considered life changing money to most.

You think this is no other team who wants him other than the Colts? Its' good money, but this is free agency and dumb teams make dumb offers. Why take less until you find out what others want to spend?

[Dam8610]

You think this is no other team who wants him other than the Colts? Its' good money, but this is free agency and dumb teams make dumb offers. Why take less until you find out what others want to spend?

You seem to be obsessed with him testing the market for some reason. That doesn't make a lot of sense for a player when the team he's on extends him a good offer. I doubt he'd see more than 3/27 on the open market, with most of that being funny money. I could see the Colts going 3/24 with 12 guaranteed (1st year salary, 2nd year roster bonus) to get it done without going to free agency. His agent would probably tell him to sign that deal, though not sure you would.

[JAFF]

You seem to be obsessed with him testing the market for some reason. That doesn't make a lot of sense for a player when the team he's on extends him a good offer. I doubt he'd see more than 3/27 on the open market, with most of that being funny money. I could see the Colts going 3/24 with 12 guaranteed (1st year salary, 2nd year roster bonus) to get it done without going to free agency. His agent would probably tell him to sign that deal, though not sure you would.

Ok, lets look at this without a fans bias.

1. He has an agent. While they should not be able to talk to other teams until a certain time, lets face it, it happens.

2. IF the Colts have made him a better offer than what his agent has heard, why wouldn't he sign?

3. Maybe he's playing poker. He has played well and has physical abilities that others don't have.

4. This isn't about me wanting him to leave. This about him getting the best deal. He's one injury away from being out of the league. He's nuts if he doesn't explore every avenue to maximize his income.

5. He doesn't owe the Colts a damn thing. He came in and has played his ass off for two years. This may be the only time where he has the advantage in free agency over a team. His job is to take care of his wife and kids, and to get the best deal he can get.

I want him back. I love guys like this. They defy the odds and make it and make a difference. I'm hoping Ballard has asked for the chance to counter any offer. The kid deserves that.

[Racehorse]

You think this is no other team who wants him other than the Colts? Its' good money, but this is free agency and dumb teams make dumb offers. Why take less until you find out what others want to spend?

But that was not the point.

[Dam8610]

Ok, lets look at this without a fans bias.

1. He has an agent. While they should not be able to talk to other teams until a certain time, lets face it, it happens.

2. IF the Colts have made him a better offer than what his agent has heard, why wouldn't he sign?

3. Maybe he's playing poker. He has played well and has physical abilities that others don't have.

4. This isn't about me wanting him to leave. This about him getting the best deal. He's one injury away from being out of the league. He's nuts if he doesn't explore every avenue to maximize his income.

5. He doesn't owe the Colts a damn thing. He came in and has played his ass off for two years. This may be the only time where he has the advantage in free agency over a team. His job is to take care of his wife and kids, and to get the best deal he can get.

I want him back. I love guys like this. They defy the odds and make it and make a difference. I'm hoping Ballard has asked for the chance to counter any offer. The kid deserves that.

Why do you assume I'm looking at it with fan bias? Vontae Davis got 4/36 when he was 25 and looked like one of the top ten CBs in the NFL. Desir is 28 and not even arguably a top ten CB in the NFL. No team will want to go 4 years with him, and I can't see him going $9 million AAV. So 3/27 is the max deal I can see. That's why I think he signs if Ballard offers 3/24. Chasing $3 million in the market that you might not even get is not something players like to do.

[FatDT]

I gotta say I don’t care enough about Desir to get this deep into a conversation about his contract.

[JAFF]

Why do you assume I'm looking at it with fan bias? Vontae Davis got 4/36 when he was 25 and looked like one of the top ten CBs in the NFL. Desir is 28 and not even arguably a top ten CB in the NFL. No team will want to go 4 years with him, and I can't see him going $9 million AAV. So 3/27 is the max deal I can see. That's why I think he signs if Ballard offers 3/24. Chasing $3 million in the market that you might not even get is not something players like to do.

Thats what you think. We will see what happens in the real world

[Coltsalr]

Looks like JAFF gets his burning wish:

@gmbremer
Looks likely Clayton Geathers, Pierre Desir and Dontrelle Inman will be allowed to test the market. #Colts would like to have all three back and are talking with agents but they’ll see how things play out

[sherck]

Looks like JAFF gets his burning wish:



@gmbremer

Looks likely Clayton Geathers, Pierre Desir and Dontrelle Inman will be allowed to test the market. #Colts would like to have all three back and are talking with agents but they’ll see how things play outDang. I was hoping to keep Desir onboard.

I think there is zero chance he is not signed by someone early. He played too well and there are never enough quality CBs floating around.

Walk Worthy,

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[JAFF]

Looks like JAFF gets his burning wish:

@gmbremer
Looks likely Clayton Geathers, Pierre Desir and Dontrelle Inman will be allowed to test the market. #Colts would like to have all three back and are talking with agents but they’ll see how things play out

It's not my desire. I'm looking at it like a 28 year old who may have only one shot at a big contract. I would like for him to stay, that's not up to me or you.

[Racehorse]

Looks like JAFF gets his burning wish:

@gmbremer
Looks likely Clayton Geathers, Pierre Desir and Dontrelle Inman will be allowed to test the market. #Colts would like to have all three back and are talking with agents but they’ll see how things play out

If he goes elsewhere, we can all blame JAFF.

[omahacolt]

If he goes elsewhere, we can all blame JAFF.

That was my plan all along.

[Pez]

Dammit man, we should pick him up again... known quantity and getting better.

[Discflinger]

Looks like JAFF gets his burning wish:

@gmbremer
Looks likely Clayton Geathers, Pierre Desir and Dontrelle Inman will be allowed to test the market. #Colts would like to have all three back and are talking with agents but they’ll see how things play out

Well, they started talks with Geathers. I guess they know more about the injury than us.

[Coltsalr]

Well, they started talks with Geathers. I guess they know more about the injury than us.

I do think we could upgrade on Geathers moreso than Desir, so this sort of annoys me.

I would definitely love to sign Landon Collins to replace Geathers. I also don't think it'd be overly difficult to draft a guy with more upside in the 2nd round than Geathers.

[FatDT]

DAMMIT JAFF. This is all your fault.

[VeveJones007]

This is probably Desir’s only chance for a lucrative contract for the rest of his career. It serves him to test the market rather than take a Glowinski-type deal.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

First Gettleman giveth, then Gettleman taketh away??


After Gettleman decided to not franchise tag Landon Collins and allow him to hit the free agent market, one name that Gettleman IS following is Pierre Desir.

The whole Giants secondary is a mess and they need help everywhere.

Maybe Gettleman thinks this is a "value" play - the Giants don't have a ton of cap room and they have more holes on their roster than just secondary.

Be interesting to see what kind of contract that Desir signs.


https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/03/nfl-free-agents-giants-will-prioritize-top-veteran-cornerback-here-is-1-name-of-interest.html#comments

[FatDT]

Maybe I am crazy but I just don't think Desir is THAT good. I'd like him back but I don't see him as some jewel in free agency.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Maybe I am crazy but I just don't think Desir is THAT good. I'd like him back but I don't see him as some jewel in free agency.


I think Ballard would agree with that. Which is why (barring a last minute change of heart) that he told Desir / his agent to go out and see what he can get on the open market. If the price is not too high, I'm sure Ballard would love to bring him back. But if it is too high, Ballard will look elsewhere.

The only issue is that the CB market doesn't have as deep a pool of free agents compared to the Safety market - some team may overpay.

[Coltsalr]

Maybe I am crazy but I just don't think Desir is THAT good. I'd like him back but I don't see him as some jewel in free agency.

Agreed. Particularly with Quincy Wilson coming on late in the year and with Kenny Moore becoming a pretty decent nickel CB. If Nate Hairston could return to 2017 form they might be set at CB with a respectable group without any need to seek outside help.

Big IF on Hairston, though. I think the Colts draft a CB in the 1st or 2nd round (preferably 2nd for sure) but I agree with you and hardly see Desir as some must-keep (and I agree that if Ballard felt that way that he would do so (in much the same way that he did Hunt/Glowstick).

[Chaka]

While we're talking about CBs in their late 20's, anyone see a chance for a reunion with Rashaan Melvin? Colts made an effort to keep him last offseason, but he wanted crazy money.

I recall lots of people here being upset with Ballard when he left last offseason on a one year deal with the Raiders, but he didn't perform well there and I'm guessing he could now be had for a much more acceptable rate - assuming he didn't burn his bridges here.

[VeveJones007]

Holder says that Desir will test the market and that both he and Colts are in agreement on that. Sounds like they have interest, but that there is difference on contract and they’ll see what the market is. Could be a “here’s what this team is offering, will you match” type situation.

[rcubed]

Holder says that Desir will test the market and that both he and Colts are in agreement on that. Sounds like they have interest, but that there is difference on contract and they’ll see what the market is. Could be a “here’s what this team is offering, will you match” type situation.
thats my take as well. this is desir's chance at a big-ish contract and he wants to see what he can get. ballard gave desir a number, if he doesnt get what he is looking for he will come back at ballard's number.

[JAFF]

thats my take as well. this is desir's chance at a big-ish contract and he wants to see what he can get. ballard gave desir a number, if he doesnt get what he is looking for he will come back at ballard's number.

Good for both of them. I hope ballard can match or do better

[Chromeburn]

While we're talking about CBs in their late 20's, anyone see a chance for a reunion with Rashaan Melvin? Colts made an effort to keep him last offseason, but he wanted crazy money.

I recall lots of people here being upset with Ballard when he left last offseason on a one year deal with the Raiders, but he didn't perform well there and I'm guessing he could now be had for a much more acceptable rate - assuming he didn't burn his bridges here.

Melvin is better as a press corner. Rather bring back Desir who fits this defense better.

[omahacolt]

Melvin is better as a press corner. Rather bring back Desir who fits this defense better.

Personally I like desir across the board over melvin

[Coltsalr]

Personally I like desir across the board over melvin

Desir also appears to like the Colts across the board more than Melvin did.

[omahacolt]

Desir also appears to like the Colts across the board more than Melvin did.

Yes he does

[Chaka]

Personally I like desir across the board over melvin

Understood, but I was curious if anyone could see us re-signing Melvin if Desir doesn't work out. He'd presumably be cheap and only a year removed from being a CB who was an asset to the team. I recall Ballard saying that he didn't really value Melvin when he first arrived, but grew to appreciate him as he got to know him better.

[VeveJones007]

Understood, but I was curious if anyone could see us re-signing Melvin if Desir doesn't work out. He'd presumably be cheap and only a year removed from being a CB who was an asset to the team. I recall Ballard saying that he didn't really value Melvin when he first arrived, but grew to appreciate him as he got to know him better.

I just assume there’s some other 3rd tier free agent who they think would be great in a predominantly zone scheme.

[YDFL Commish]

Personally I like desir across the board over melvin

Absolutely. Melvin never would've been able to shutdown DeAndre Hopkins for 2 straight games.

But if Desir is asking for crazy money or guaranteed years, then Ballard has no choice but to let him see if he can get it.

[JAFF]

Absolutely. Melvin never would've been able to shutdown DeAndre Hopkins for 2 straight games.

But if Desir is asking for crazy money or guaranteed years, then Ballard has no choice but to let him see if he can get it.

Desir deserves a chance to see what he is worth. He's going to get great money. Hopefully it will be here. There is one thing working in the Colts favor, Desir feels at home here. If the Colts can match, he isn't forced to uproot his family and basically start over in on a new team.

I'm crossing my fingers.

[YDFL Commish]

Desir deserves a chance to see what he is worth. He's going to get great money. Hopefully it will be here. There is one thing working in the Colts favor, Desir feels at home here. If the Colts can match, he isn't forced to uproot his family and basically start over in on a new team.

I'm crossing my fingers.

I want him back as well.

[omahacolt]

Absolutely. Melvin never would've been able to shutdown DeAndre Hopkins for 2 straight games.

But if Desir is asking for crazy money or guaranteed years, then Ballard has no choice but to let him see if he can get it.

There is really no reason for him not to be back other than Ballard fucked up

[Coltsalr]

There is really no reason for him not to be back other than Ballard fucked up

What if Ballard upgrades?

[Luck4Reich]

What if Ballard upgrades?

Who would the upgrade be?

[omahacolt]

What if Ballard upgrades?

He won’t

[VeveJones007]

Holder says Desir is still testing the market and will negotiate with Colts once he has his best offer.

[Brylok]

Linked to the Jets now

[Racehorse]

Linked to the Jets now

NFL.com says he is returning to the Colts. No contract details yet.